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NWA. The Next Austin?

Posted on 12/3/21 at 6:55 pm
Posted by Arkapigdiesel
Arkansas
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Posted on 12/3/21 at 6:55 pm
The Next Austin? How About Arkansas. Seriously.
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For the past decade, coastal metros like New York and San Francisco dominated the landscape for the upwardly mobile, but the main story became how to cope with the high cost of living in those cities. One solution was to move into lower-cost neighborhoods, further pushing up rents and home prices. Others moved to lower-cost metros that shared some of the characteristics of those high-cost places; Austin, Texas, was one of the biggest beneficiaries of that trend.

Thanks to the accumulated impact of all that migration — accelerated by lifestyle changes during the pandemic — Austin is no longer affordable, and arguably overpriced for what it offers. That begs the question: Where should someone who’s been priced out of Austin look? I would argue the best candidate to be the next Austin is the up-and-coming region known as Northwest Arkansas.

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The underlying driver in all this is that a lot of second-tier metro areas got a lot more expensive over the past two years and aren't the bargains they used to be. New places will gain traction as metros like Austin and Boise struggle with their own affordability problems. At the same time, the continued growth in Texas will slowly but surely create its own spillover dynamics to other metro areas, just as growth on the West Coast spilled over to Austin.

Northwest Arkansas might not be on the radar of many coastal people. but it's the most likely candidate to be the prime beneficiary of these trends.



Posted by hawgfaninc
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Posted on 12/3/21 at 7:03 pm to
Posted by dchog
Pea ridge
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Posted on 12/3/21 at 7:04 pm to
Hope not. My property taxes are outrageous.
Posted by Jack Ruby
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 12/3/21 at 7:22 pm to
Nashville has a much better chance at being the next Austin over NWA because Tennessee doesn't have any state income tax.

Nashville is already a landing spot for many coastal transplants that got out last year.

Fayetteville is more like the next Asheville NC. As long as the virus upon humanity that is the tech industry stays away, that's OK, but it also gravely apparent that the people that voted to make their states and cities financial and criminal hell holes are moving in droves to artsy red state population areas to take advantage of the real estate and cost of living and unburdensome regulations and laws.

Arkansas governors have not been nearly open as Texas governors have been over the last 20 years about attracting tech and new media businesses, so that's a bit of a relief. Arkansas, though, has landed some whales in the gun and firearms industry, but most of those jobs are in Ft Smith and Central Ark. which aren't exactly lovers of Mao and Karl Marx.

All I know is, NWA had a nice little 20 year run from about 1990-2010, since then it's been all downhill.
This post was edited on 12/3/21 at 7:27 pm
Posted by gohogs141
Fayetteville
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 12/3/21 at 7:28 pm to
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The good thing is, many of those jobs are now down remotely, so people from all over the country are hired and Stat where they're already at instead of moving to Fayetteville.


I’ve actually met quite a few people that have moved from California to keep their LA salary and live in NWA for a lot cheaper since everyone shifted to remote work. Guess there’s probably a little of both.
Posted by Arkapigdiesel
Arkansas
Member since Jun 2009
13248 posts
Posted on 12/3/21 at 7:33 pm to
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I’ve actually met quite a few people that have moved from California to keep their LA salary and live in NWA for a lot cheaper since everyone shifted to remote work.

They'll move from CA to get out of that cess pool and then vote for the same libtard frick heads that made things so incredibly dysfunctional for them in CA.
Posted by hogfly
Fayetteville, AR
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 12/3/21 at 7:33 pm to
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All I know is, NWA had a nice little 20 year run from about 1990-2010, since then it's been all downhill.






What a nutter take. NWA gets more Pleasantville by the minute. I work in other parts of the state, and they're freaking dystopian nightmarescapes compared to here.
This post was edited on 12/3/21 at 7:34 pm
Posted by DomesticatedBoar
Pensacola, FL
Member since Jul 2019
607 posts
Posted on 12/3/21 at 7:39 pm to
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Nashville has a much better chance at being the next Austin over NWA

I’m going to have the opportunity to transfer with work to a number of different locations in 1-2 years. NWA is home, but 1b on my list. Nashville is 1a.

I haven’t been to Austin in years, but I’ve heard it’s lost much of the authenticity that made it such a destination. Gentrification on steroids.
Posted by dchog
Pea ridge
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Posted on 12/3/21 at 7:47 pm to
It wouldn't take much for it to go bad.
Posted by hogfly
Fayetteville, AR
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 12/3/21 at 7:57 pm to
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It wouldn't take much for it to go bad.



If things are going to get "bad" up here, they'll be much worse elsewhere. I work in Fort Smith pretty regularly, and the level of generational poverty and dysfunction there is something that would take decades to replicate in NWA.

The main problem in NWA is "regular folks" getting priced out of their homes by the insane boom happening. If that starts to hit you, just cash out and reap the rewards of the boom while you move to somewhere more rustic and quaint that suits your temperament.

but yes, people are moving here in droves from Austin and other booming areas. Obviously the Waltons are trying to make that happen and intentionally cultivating this influx of "talent." I find this pretty annoying at times, because it seems like they'd rather import external talent than incubate existing local talent. But still, quality of life kicks arse here... to the point that I feel guilty at times of how good we have it here compared to other parts of the state.
This post was edited on 12/3/21 at 7:58 pm
Posted by gohogs141
Fayetteville
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 12/3/21 at 8:08 pm to
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I find this pretty annoying at times, because it seems like they'd rather import external talent than incubate existing local talent.


Drives me crazy how many companies here contract out with these huge national firms for so much money when they don’t have any idea about the area. They must think that they have to go with a fancy New York agency and then they get a cookie cutter result.

Feel the same way about the UA paying some random marketing company tons of money to come up with the front facing hog and “The You of A” when a marketing or design student at UA probably could have done something better.
Posted by hogfly
Fayetteville, AR
Member since May 2014
4649 posts
Posted on 12/3/21 at 8:12 pm to
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Drives me crazy how many companies here contract out with these huge national firms for so much money when they don’t have any idea about the area. They must think that they have to go with a fancy New York agency and then they get a cookie cutter result.

Feel the same way about the UA paying some random marketing company tons of money to come up with the front facing hog and “The You of A” when a marketing or design student at UA probably could have done something better.


Oh man. Don't get me started. It's just rampant in our area, and I could go on and on.. but my work and my wife's work as well as our friend circles put us into some circles where I should probably just keep my mouth shut about specifics.

But it drives me freaking nuts. Bentonville is the worst in their efforts to create some kind of cool "culture" up there by importing it. They have a complete inferiority complex toward Fayetteville and are trying to manufacture "cool" without realizing that authenticity is the key to cool, and you have to grow that from inside. It's the reason that Fayetteville will always feel "deeper' than Bentonville (even if Bentonville has more amenities).
Posted by dchog
Pea ridge
Member since Nov 2012
21288 posts
Posted on 12/3/21 at 8:39 pm to
The Waltons look down on common people in Arkansas and see them as untalented. Like minded individuals want to be associated with ones that think and believe like them. Rich people don't hang around with the little people. So they want them gone and are in the way.

The problem is when people that get priced out have no other place to go as Arkansas doesn't have many jobs that offer a good living wage. It is easy to move when a person makes a lot of money but some aren't as fortunate and are stuck.
Posted by FayetteNAM
Boston Mountains
Member since Jun 2013
7215 posts
Posted on 12/3/21 at 8:55 pm to
Our lowest growth the past 3 decades is like 25%, but has been as high as 46%.

We are 546k right now.

Low range 25% increase would be 682.5k.
High range 46% increase would be 797.16k.
Posted by FayetteNAM
Boston Mountains
Member since Jun 2013
7215 posts
Posted on 12/3/21 at 8:57 pm to
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Nashville is 1a.

I haven’t been to Austin in years, but I’ve heard it’s lost much of the authenticity that made it such a destination. Gentrification on steroids.


All things said about Austin could be said about Nashville and NWA at this point.
Posted by pioneerbasketball
Team Bunchie
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Posted on 12/3/21 at 9:06 pm to
getting more liberal by the year
Posted by FayetteNAM
Boston Mountains
Member since Jun 2013
7215 posts
Posted on 12/3/21 at 9:17 pm to
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getting more liberal by the year


More liberal.
More homeless.
More expensive.
More crime.

Hell, I think Fayetteville just passed a law/bill/whatever saying you don’t have to be a legal citizen to vote in elections, but rural city residents can’t vote, just illegals.
This post was edited on 12/3/21 at 9:18 pm
Posted by dchog
Pea ridge
Member since Nov 2012
21288 posts
Posted on 12/3/21 at 10:04 pm to
Reminds me of wild wild country Netflix series. In the series they bused homeless people from all over the nation to go vote in local elections.
Posted by gohogs141
Fayetteville
Member since Jun 2011
7515 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 12:31 am to
Yeah don’t get me wrong I really like it here but Bentonville’s self-proclaimed “mountain biking capital of the world” stuff is cringe. They just try too hard. It’s a cool place without them beating you over the head with it.
Posted by FayetteNAM
Boston Mountains
Member since Jun 2013
7215 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 2:52 am to
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Reminds me of wild wild country Netflix series. In the series they bused homeless people from all over the nation to go vote in local elections.


Kind of happening with the immigration issue, busing them into different states/cities to give more representatives in Congress. Because districts are based on population, not legal population.

Wild wild country people would have got away with it all had they not killed anybody.
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