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re: Per BOL, Bo Davis is our new D line coach
Posted on 1/13/14 at 7:33 pm to chattabama
Posted on 1/13/14 at 7:33 pm to chattabama
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Some coaches get better as they coach while others don't. Some were wondering if he has made improvements since his time at Bama. Pointing out that he had some abysmal rushing defense records at UTx is, in essence, saying that maybe he hasn't improved. Let's face it, right now we don't have a Mount Cody on the dline. I was simply showing stats of him when he hasn't had the greatest talent to work with. At DE we have some studs. At nose, not so much.
See, I don't have a problem with this. I respectfully disagree, but I understand what you're saying. I just get chapped really fast when people give really strong, negative reactions about stuff they don't really have a hand in.
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Posted on 1/13/14 at 7:36 pm to crimson crazy
I feel like I'm in bizarro world. Bo Davis, already proven to be successful under Saban, is rehired and it's 
. Lane Kiffin, notorious team cancer, is hired, and it's 
I'm just rolling with it at this point..
And yeah, I know Kiffin is gonna change and be great at Bama..
. Lane Kiffin, notorious team cancer, is hired, and it's I'm just rolling with it at this point..
And yeah, I know Kiffin is gonna change and be great at Bama..
Posted on 1/13/14 at 8:29 pm to frankreynolds
quote:What about passing situations? Still want the d-line to play the run?
The part that's frustrating is that people are using an irrelevant stat to say the guy is garbage. Saying he can't get a pass rush and doesn't produce sacks from his d-lineman isn't pertinent because it's not something that he's trying to do. His job is to stop the run and his lines have been very good at that when he was here.
Posted on 1/13/14 at 8:57 pm to WW
Im not trying to be an arse, but are you familiar with a 34 defense? The dlineman are usually playing 2-gap so that they eat up blocks which allows the linebackers or defensive backs to get to the quarterback on blitzes. This allows you to bring pressure from anywhere on the field. Sometimes these obviously change depending on the personnel you have and the situation, an example that you might be familiar with is Upshaw playing the five technique or the outside shoulder of the tackle on obvious passing downs, but in general the lineman arent trying to generate a pass rush, but enable it.
This post was edited on 1/13/14 at 8:59 pm
Posted on 1/13/14 at 9:59 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
Didn't CNS say today that the coaches on this years team didn't get close enough to the players ?
Maybe CNS knows Bo Davis enough to understand that he not only develops players on the field, but off the field also.
Maybe CNS knows Bo Davis enough to understand that he not only develops players on the field, but off the field also.
Posted on 1/13/14 at 11:19 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
uSIAP but, Our dline in 09 was the best we've had.
I'll take him.
I'll take him.
Posted on 1/13/14 at 11:43 pm to asphinctersayswhat
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Our dline in 09 was the best we've had.
Which is why we let him go an hired someone else. Obviously he was doing such a great job.
Anyways, he is here. We might as well get on board and wish him the best. Hopefully he can lay some good ground work and sure up some of the indecisiveness some of these kids will be having.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 12:08 am to TideWarrior
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Maybe I missed something here. But his 2 DEs this year Jeffcoat 13 sacks and Reed 10 sacks were in the backfield a lot. Combine that with 41 TFL and 35 QBH. Not to shabby.IMO
Uh... apparently, Bo Davis didn't coach DEs, he only coached the DTs.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 12:39 am to chattabama
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Where did I say dominant pass rusher? I gave UTx rushing defense ranking as reason for my disappointment in the hire. That, and he hasn't recruited anyone of note.
So you're basing your criticism on a "meh" year at a different school? Where the head coach and entire staff got cleaned out? Okaaay
Posted on 1/14/14 at 12:46 am to frankreynolds
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Im not trying to be an arse, but are you familiar with a 34 defense? The dlineman are usually playing 2-gap so that they eat up blocks which allows the linebackers or defensive backs to get to the quarterback on blitzes. This allows you to bring pressure from anywhere on the field. Sometimes these obviously change depending on the personnel you have and the situation, an example that you might be familiar with is Upshaw playing the five technique or the outside shoulder of the tackle on obvious passing downs, but in general the lineman arent trying to generate a pass rush, but enable it.
Freaking THIS. I'm reading all the criticism about the d-line and thinking "isn't this more a product of the system..." and yet no one addressed it until you. Javy was at the top of the team in sacks one year for shite's sake people. It was my understanding that in a 3-4 the line's job is to eat blockers to free up other guys to make plays.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 12:48 am to BrocraticMethod
I'm basing it on two years in a row of meh production in stopping the run.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 12:53 am to chattabama
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I'm basing it on two years in a row of meh production in stopping the run.
To each his own, but I'm not sure how much of that you can lay at one position coach's feet when the whole defense was mediocre and tackled poorly. Obviously bringing in a retread isn't exciting, but he was part of some very stout defenses at Bama so I don't see it being completely terrible.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 12:57 am to alabamabuckeye
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We should be obliterating QBs.
/cue video of Mettenberger getting sacked four times in a row
Posted on 1/14/14 at 1:03 am to BrocraticMethod
It's not like he came into a lack of talent at UTx. Heck his first year they were in the top ten in rushing defense. It was the two years afterward that were pretty bad defensively. At first I thought it was a terrible hire. Now I think it's a meh hire. Given that we may lose 5 star Christian Miller over Rumph leaving, I was hoping for more than a meh hire.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 1:04 am to BrocraticMethod
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/cue video of Mettenberger getting sacked four times in a row
Cue video of OU quarterback doing whatever he damn well pleased.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 1:13 am to chattabama
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Cue video of OU quarterback doing whatever he damn well pleased.
Touche
Well one day we will solve the mystery of stopping the mobile qb! Mettenberger was a sitting duck with his pregnant cow level of mobility and mediocre oline play. The guys with mobility really exposed us, but it'll all work out. Every defense isn't going to be as sick as '09's or '11's.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 3:26 am to BrocraticMethod
Dont understand the negativity on here about bo davis. The guy is a good d line coach and a know quantity, coached our best d lines of the saban era, will havemore overall talent available this time around with guys like Robinson, Allen, Liner, Pettway, Reed, Hand,Frazier, Tomlinson if he is healthy. Rumph was underwhelming in my opinion
This post was edited on 1/14/14 at 3:27 am
Posted on 1/14/14 at 5:33 am to BrocraticMethod
Really? A defeated LSU team with nothing left to play for with a half crippled QB means we have a good pass rush?
Posted on 1/14/14 at 6:51 am to alabamabuckeye
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Really? A defeated LSU team with nothing left to play for with a half crippled QB means we have a good pass rush?
I think it was sarcasm.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 6:59 am to chattabama
I'm not reading through this whole clusterfrick of a thread, but at the guys that think this is a bad hire. Ed Orgeron doesn't want to be a DL coach ANYWHERE.
And, we run a 3-4 defense. Stop worrying about the stats of our D-linemen. They're never going to have huge stats. That's not how it works. Our linebackers get the stats. But, the linemen are partially responsible for that.
at the guys that think this is a bad hire. Ed Orgeron doesn't want to be a DL coach ANYWHERE. And, we run a 3-4 defense. Stop worrying about the stats of our D-linemen. They're never going to have huge stats. That's not how it works. Our linebackers get the stats. But, the linemen are partially responsible for that.
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