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re: I hope some of you got a clearer picture of the passing game tonight
Posted on 10/8/17 at 11:54 am to Commander Data
Posted on 10/8/17 at 11:54 am to Commander Data
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How can you guys be happy with a quarterback that consistently gives you around 10 completions for about 100 yds at a 5 yard average? It boggles my mind. He can't even get rid of the ball on a good portion of dropbacks. When a decent defense keeps him in check on the ground he looks like Brandon Harris out there except his deep ball sucks. We don't have the 2016 defense to bail us out this year against the good teams. He only looks decent against atrocious defenses and then he only looks good in the short passing game? When any other player has a terrible game you guys are quick to point it out but Hurts can suck it up throwing the ball and you guys line up the excuses. It was his receivers or because the game was in Texas. Jesus guys, is it really gonna take a loss? Even then you guys will just blame the coaches again. Everybody outside of some of our fans see that he can't pass a football.
I guess I'm just of the mindset that I have no control over the decisions on who plays, realize we are in the midst of an all-time run on the heels of an all-time shiteburger of a run and have decided not to lose my mind over small issues in the big picture that could possibly cost us down the road but haven't yet, and either way I can't control it. On top of that there is not, no matter how many people try and insist there is, a better alternative at this point without assuming pretty large risk (in production, locker room discontent, etc).
To each his own though.
This post was edited on 10/8/17 at 11:55 am
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Posted on 10/8/17 at 11:56 am to UltimaParadox
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Some might need to rewatch the game, but nitpicking every throw is insane. Hurts made 3 good deep ball throws, you hope you catch at least 1 or 2 of those. But A&M smartly took the PI on both, but only got called on one. Nobody mentioning the great play for the third touchdown, when Jalen had time to make his reads and then throws the TD pass to Ruggs. Last note is that the narrative that teams load the box against us is false. Most of the pressure occurred up the middle against Bozeman and Cotton. While A&M did bring 5 most of it was safeties coming from the edge. Watts was making plays on the perimeter, he is one of their top players for a reason. Yes Jalen ran into a few sacks running from a clean pocket into contain, but I take that over forcing a ball and turning it over. We tried a couple of screens but they are hard to execute when the other team is playing contain on the outside. TL;DR expect similar execution in tight games even if Tua is the QB. This is coaching, we play conservative on offense to avoid turnovers on purpose.
Excellent, non-agenda driven insight. But I'm going to need a "Hurts for Heisman" or "Hurts for the Bench" slant next time to really get the hot takes flowing. Thanks.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 12:04 pm to Commander Data
So winning is no longer the point?
The notion that we have a better guy that we are refusing opportunities to is nothing but speculation. Could he be better? Maybe. At this point, though, his stats are basically on par with Jalen's passing numbers this year with a lot less mobility and potential for rushing game.
We know how Jalen will react in a big moment. We know he's not going to lose his cool. Is he perfect? No. But he's not going to make a mistake to cost you the game. We don't know how Tua will handle significant game reps. It would be reckless to move from the known to the unknown for the heck of it.
I know people hate this answer, but I'm going to trust that the coaches think Jalen is the best guy at this point. Will he be in November? Or next year? Maybe not. But right now he is. You don't just make a QB switch in a competitive game for the sake of getting reps. You don't switch QBs the way you do RBs or WRs or even OL or kickers.
The notion that we have a better guy that we are refusing opportunities to is nothing but speculation. Could he be better? Maybe. At this point, though, his stats are basically on par with Jalen's passing numbers this year with a lot less mobility and potential for rushing game.
We know how Jalen will react in a big moment. We know he's not going to lose his cool. Is he perfect? No. But he's not going to make a mistake to cost you the game. We don't know how Tua will handle significant game reps. It would be reckless to move from the known to the unknown for the heck of it.
I know people hate this answer, but I'm going to trust that the coaches think Jalen is the best guy at this point. Will he be in November? Or next year? Maybe not. But right now he is. You don't just make a QB switch in a competitive game for the sake of getting reps. You don't switch QBs the way you do RBs or WRs or even OL or kickers.
This post was edited on 10/8/17 at 12:55 pm
Posted on 10/8/17 at 12:06 pm to crimsontidefan07680
Show me the college QB who doesn't miss on passes.
This argument and line if reasoning is asinine.
This argument and line if reasoning is asinine.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 12:32 pm to Commander Data
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Hurts is only good for 10 completions per game and drops happen. Most of the time he holds onto the ball because he can't read more than one progression. Some folks are ok with poor quarterback play and that's what we get when a defense stops him from running all over them. You guys probably think we will beat Auburn or Georgia or Clemson with Hurts. Smh.
Actually we will, outside of the last 15 seconds of the National Championship Game we did that last year with him as a true freshman.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 12:40 pm to YStar
Exactly... If the drops were completions, Hurts would have been 17/18 of 22. That's a good day on the road for any QB.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 12:51 pm to crimsontidefan07680
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This post was edited on 10/8/17 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 10/8/17 at 12:53 pm to crimsontidefan07680
I only remember two obvious drops - one by Sims on a slant and one by Foster right before the fumble. Were there others?
Obviously it would've been nice had Foster caught the long one, but his right arm only got free from the defender at the last moment. As I mentioned before, I did think Sims did a poor job of managing the sideline on one of the deep balls that was well thrown.
Obviously it would've been nice had Foster caught the long one, but his right arm only got free from the defender at the last moment. As I mentioned before, I did think Sims did a poor job of managing the sideline on one of the deep balls that was well thrown.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 12:53 pm to Lieutenant Dan
17 or 18 of 22 is how I read it.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 12:59 pm to Bham Bammer
Nm, I misread... 
Some of the knighting goes way overboard.
Some of the knighting goes way overboard.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 1:01 pm to Bham Bammer
Both Sims and Foster had two drops a piece. Devonta had one on that deep route as well.
Put it like this, of Christian Kirk picked Alabama, he would have had two TDs last night
Put it like this, of Christian Kirk picked Alabama, he would have had two TDs last night
This post was edited on 10/8/17 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 10/8/17 at 1:08 pm to YStar
I don't think you can count a drop when the guy was interfered with. The guy was tugging Devonta's jersey. I couldn't believe a flag didn't come out there.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 1:13 pm to oneusairman
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Actually we will, outside of the last 15 seconds of the National Championship Game we did that last year with him as a true freshman.
This year's defense isn't on the same level as last year's. They bailed the offense out countless times last season.
Try again, and try harder.
This post was edited on 10/8/17 at 1:14 pm
Posted on 10/8/17 at 1:24 pm to LockDown
I'll never believe that had Sark just stuck to running the ball that we wouldn't have won last year's title game. We ran for over 220 yards at 6.5 per carry and for some reason chose to call in excess of 35 pass plays.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 1:26 pm to YStar
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Both Sims and Foster had two drops a piece. Devonta had one on that deep route as well.
As did an A&M cb for an interception.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 1:29 pm to Lieutenant Dan
But did he intercept it? No, so why is that a point of conversation? We had more drops than usual, Fosters melt killed momentum it is what it is.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 1:33 pm to Bham Bammer
quote:The difference in 13 completions on the stat sheet & 17/18 completions is a combination of drops,PI & lack of execution by WR. I was just stating what should have been obvious to Huddle. This was not on Hurts alone. Half the incompletions were catchable balls by Hurts.
I don't think you can count a drop when the guy was interfered with.
This post was edited on 10/8/17 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 10/8/17 at 1:33 pm to Commander Data
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How can you guys be happy with a quarterback that consistently gives you around 10 completions for about 100 yds at a 5 yard average? It boggles my mind. He can't even get rid of the ball on a good portion of dropbacks. When a decent defense keeps him in check on the ground he looks like Brandon Harris out there except his deep ball sucks. We don't have the 2016 defense to bail us out this year against the good teams. He only looks decent against atrocious defenses and then he only looks good in the short passing game? When any other player has a terrible game you guys are quick to point it out but Hurts can suck it up throwing the ball and you guys line up the excuses. It was his receivers or because the game was in Texas. Jesus guys, is it really gonna take a loss? Even then you guys will just blame the coaches again. Everybody outside of some of our fans see that he can't pass a football.
Dude your an idiot. Nobody wants you here.
Posted on 10/8/17 at 1:40 pm to Commander Data
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Hurts is only good for 10 completions per game
How do you figure that? Hurts completions in games thus far:
2016: 6, 23, 19, 16, 20, 13, 17, 15, 10, 28, 15, 27, 11, 7, 13
2017: 10, 14, 13, 9, 12, 13
He's averaging 'bout 15 completions a game and this doesn't factor in the blowouts...
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and drops happen.
Yeah...and so do bad passes. Seems to me there's been 'bout an equal amount of both this season...
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I think Hurts has to get better for us to win it all...but I can also see where he's progressed from last season. He's looking off safeties more now and he's going deeper into his reads than last year...his deep throws are much better and he's throwing over the middle more. He's also keeping his eyes downfield more as he scrambles. On the flip side he still misses some reads, he's occasionally not on time with his medium routes, and, particularly in games where he gets a lot of pressure, he's quick to tuck and run (some times he has to, some times not).
The passing game is not all on the QB...while I think we have a decent OL, considering the good and great ones we've had in the recent past, I'd say this line, at least at this point in time, may be the least effective OL we've had in quite a while. As for receivers, I think we have a good bunch but seems like we've had more drops this year...I think Foster and Sims just had an off game as they've usually been more dependable than that. But while Hurts needs to clean up some things and the receivers need to show better hands, I'm far more worried 'bout the OL than either of those...
Posted on 10/8/17 at 1:55 pm to OldPete
The staff has to give Hurts a dumbed down playbook with short high percentage throws because he can't do much else. We will be much better off when Tua takes over.
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