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Posted on 10/28/15 at 2:39 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Posted on 10/28/15 at 2:39 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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This part, I have to say I'm not nearly as worried about. In fact I'm glad in a way that this game is on the road. Follow me here:
Between the endings of the 2008, 2009, 2012, and 2014 games, LSU fans definitely have Bama PTSD. I think if you put yourselves in our shoes in those games you shouldn't have a hard time understanding why. 3 of those 4 (2009 notwithstanding) are the most excruciating, we had you dead to rights and pissed it away, losses I have ever experienced. If the game were in BR, if and when Alabama got a real or perceived "break" in the game you would feel the crowd have a "here we go again" attitude fall over it, which could spread to the team. We saw this happen last season a little bit going into Overtime.
Having the game on the road is more of an "us against the world" mentality that (good) Les Miles teams have traditionally thrived under. The players on this team don't have the personal baggage with Alabama that the fans have, and while BDS has a phenomenal atmosphere on game days, it is not, in my opinion, the kind of crowd that is likely to get in the head of a player the way some other stadiums might be.
I see what you are saying, and Bama has been much better on the road this year than at home, so I sort of wish it was in red stick for that reason. That said, BDS isn't the same stadium it was 5-10 years ago. After two expansions, it sits at 102k capacity and for a night game with everything on the line, I can promise you it will be about as loud and raucous as any stadium in the country. As long as things are going well, Harris will be fine, but like in the UT game, if he finds himself backed up at the 10 yardline down by 4 with 2 minutes left, I could easily see the crowd and the defensive pressure getting to him. He certainly won't be able to audible at the line in those situations, and that can lead to delay of game calls, procedure penalties and using unnecessary timeouts so there are none left when you need them late. We will see, I just don't think Harris has been tested anywhere even close to what he will be in BDS.
If he passes with flying colors I'll be the first to crown him an elite QB, but I'm just not convinced he doesn't come out of that game with a stat line similar to 14/28 179 yards 1 TD and 2 INT's. If that happens, it just proves he is an average QB who is young and getting better but not the elite QB a lot of LSU fans are hoping he is.
This post was edited on 10/28/15 at 2:45 pm
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Posted on 10/28/15 at 2:51 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Lies, damn lies, and statistics
What is a lie ? LSU has played an averaged ranked defense of 78, and Bama 52, it is on the NCAA site.
His stats in at least four games are shite. And he is facing 8 and 9 in the box, Bama is coming with 7 and LSU will not be getting 7 yards per carry, but 2-3.5 YPC.
They have taken no wraps off, you are deluded. You have played one descent team. You can listen to all the homers you want to, when he and LF face our defense it is not going to be anywhee near anything you have seen since Bama 2011 defense.
Our offense is not the greatest, but if we are focused and do not tun the ball over, your team will lose by at least 10.
Posted on 10/28/15 at 3:26 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
Who in their right mind called Kyle Allen mobile? I have no doubt Harris will face the most pressure he's seen all season, but watch the UF game if you don't think he has the ability to evade a good Dline and still deliver a strike downfield.
Posted on 10/28/15 at 3:40 pm to tider04
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That said, BDS isn't the same stadium it was 5-10 years ago. After two expansions, it sits at 102k capacity and for a night game with everything on the line, I can promise you it will be about as loud and raucous as any stadium in the country.
Yeah it is much better than it used to be. I have been to Tuscaloosa close to a dozen times for Bama-LSU games over the years and I remember, even in the 90's when y'all were really good, that the atmosphere was just kind of a dud. The expansions + Saban coming in have definitely made it a "real" SEC road venue. I think y'all even lowered the field at one point, right?
All of that said, it is still not, in my opinion, on par with what I've seen at say Florida, which can become absolutely unhinged. Even taking Tiger Stadium out of it. I think that while y'all have a lot of rowdy rednecks just like we have rowdy Cajuns, there are a lot more "nice" fans at BDS than you would see at a place like the Swamp, where classy fans are few and far between. I think Kyle Field has a similar thing going on. Yeah it gets loud and yeah it's a great atmosphere, but at no point (in my experience) has it really crossed the line into that unhinged territory. The one exception to this was the 2007 game when Arenas returned that punt for a TD. Y'all were also, at that point, pretty hungry as a fan base in a way that I'm not sure you are anymore. And I say that as an LSU in which I know for a fact our fanbase is not anywhere near as hungry as it was say circa 2001. But again that's just my experience. Not trying to downplay BDS as a venue or anything, I always have a great time there and I'm sure it will be a great atmosphere and a loud crowd.
This post was edited on 10/28/15 at 3:41 pm
Posted on 10/28/15 at 3:45 pm to Draconian Sanctions
2009 Rocky block......it came unhinged.
Posted on 10/28/15 at 4:04 pm to Funky Tide 8
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Does this rating factor in how clutch the player has been, or how shitty his offensive line's pass blocking is? Or how much more dominant one team's running game has been compared to the other's?
Yes it does actually. Even so, your willing to negate every other metric it uses to rate a QB to prove Coker is better? LOL
This post was edited on 10/28/15 at 4:11 pm
Posted on 10/28/15 at 4:39 pm to Howyouluhdat
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Yes it does actually.
How so?
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Even so, your willing to negate every other metric it uses to rate a QB to prove Coker is better? LOL
No, I am not willing to negate every other metric. I am simply stating we should look at the ENTIRE picture when comparing QBs.
Posted on 10/28/15 at 7:20 pm to Funky Tide 8
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How so?
Well how clutch a QB has been is equal to third down completions for first downs which is factored in.
How shitty a teams offensive line is is factored in by how mobile the QB is getting yardage and first downs,escapability, pocket awareness,throwing with pressure(which Harris is tops in the SEC in completion percentage under pressure) etc
Lastly, I'm not sure about the running game metric but I will gladly give Coker that win since your grasping for straws
Posted on 10/28/15 at 7:31 pm to Howyouluhdat
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Well how clutch a QB has been is equal to third down completions for first downs which is factored in.
Again, it depends on the circumstance. Coker converting a third down at UGA when we were a trillion points ahead is not being clutch. Converting a third down in a one score game is far more impressive.
But even third down completion percentages can be skewed depending on down and distance. Was it Coker's fault that the oline continued to get penalties and put us in ridiculous 3rd and long scenarios? Is Brandon Harris's ability to convert third and three in a blowout game supposed to be impressive?
Posted on 10/28/15 at 8:15 pm to chattabama
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Again, it depends on the circumstance. Coker converting a third down at UGA when we were a trillion points ahead is not being clutch. Converting a third down in a one score game is far more impressive.
But even third down completion percentages can be skewed depending on down and distance. Was it Coker's fault that the oline continued to get penalties and put us in ridiculous 3rd and long scenarios? Is Brandon Harris's ability to convert third and three in a blowout game supposed to be impressive?
Dude you can skew every stat if you wanted to. Anyway you slice it Harris has performed better this year. Should we not record stats that were easier to accomplish? Maybe we should not give Peyton Manning and Tom Brady credit for 30 of their career TD's because they were from one yard out in blowout wins. You think Coker is the only QB that has penalties on offense? Without even looking I would bet LSU has more penalties on offense on the year than Bama,we were committing a lot of penalties in the first four games. Both QB's complete passes on third down in blowouts. The point is Harris does it more frequently and under more pressure
This post was edited on 10/28/15 at 8:18 pm
Posted on 10/28/15 at 8:21 pm to Howyouluhdat
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under more pressure
Huh? Dude has attempted half the passes Coker has behind a better oline with an offense that lives and dies by the run. Coker has played against better defenses.
I don't see how any of those points are up for debate.
Posted on 10/28/15 at 8:29 pm to chattabama
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Huh? Dude has attempted half the passes Coker has behind a better oline with an offense that lives and dies by the run. Coker has played against better defenses.
I don't see how any of those points are up for debate.
Taken out of context a little. What I meant was he is completing more passes under pressure
Posted on 10/28/15 at 8:49 pm to Howyouluhdat
What kind of pressure are you referring to? I've seen Coker become an absolute gamer when the chips were down and his team needed to score. Under somewhat similar circumstances (second half LSU vs UF) I fail to see Harris step up. In fact, he almost costs you the game with his fumble.
LF has been absolutely clutch for y'all, but what would happen to your team if LF (for whatever reason) can't get it done?
LF has been absolutely clutch for y'all, but what would happen to your team if LF (for whatever reason) can't get it done?
Posted on 10/28/15 at 8:59 pm to chattabama
Brandon Harris is talented. He has done good things at QB for LSU. However, not having experienced a Bama front 7 such as fielded this year will be very challenging for him. He will make mistakes. Add to this a secondary which is coming on quite nicely now & it could spell disaster for him if not too careful. You can also include Jacob Coker in this same situation regarding LSU. Whichever QB performs the best under these circumstances will greatly increase their teams chances of pulling out a victory. 
Posted on 10/28/15 at 9:05 pm to chattabama
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What kind of pressure are you referring to? I've seen Coker become an absolute gamer when the chips were down and his team needed to score. Under somewhat similar circumstances (second half LSU vs UF) I fail to see Harris step up. In fact, he almost costs you the game with his fumble.
This kind of pressure
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LSU sophomore QB Brandon Harris ranks No. 5 in the Power 5 with a 73.9 accuracy percentage against pressure. Life in Leonard Fournette's shadow is a double-edged sword. While Fournette makes Harris' job a heck of a lot easier, the Heisman frontrunner also hogs so much attention that not enough credit has been given to the Tigers' sophomore signal-caller for his vast improvement in 2015. Pro Football Focus' numbers rank Harris as the SEC's best quarterback in the first half.
If LF goes down it would be huge just like any team whose best player goes down. I'm not sure why your questions are only subject to LSU. If Coker goes down or Henry, Bama struggles as well. It's not rocket science
Posted on 10/28/15 at 9:11 pm to Draconian Sanctions
BDS can and most definitely does come unhinged. Florida 2005, LSU 2007, UT 2009, auburn 2010, etc. Agree it doesn't happen as often as places like the swamp or Death Valley, but does happen and this game coming up is the type of game it does happen. Also note that visitors sitting in the top of the upper deck endzone don't get nearly the valume you would hear in the lower bowl and on the field.
Posted on 10/28/15 at 9:21 pm to Howyouluhdat
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If LF goes down it would be huge just like any team whose best player goes down
I'm not saying if he goes down, but what if he is ineffective? I know it's hard for LSU fans to fathom, but it's altogether possible that our front seven is legit and Fournette has limited success. If that becomes the case, and Harris has to throw against our nickel package, will he be able to do it?
In terms of pressure, I am talking more about the pressure of having the game on the line than who is in his face. Some QBs fold under that kind of pressure in a hostile environment. Others succeed. We haven't seen enough from Harris to really know one way or the other.
This post was edited on 10/28/15 at 9:22 pm
Posted on 10/28/15 at 9:40 pm to Funky Tide 8
He's a good QB with two outstanding receivers in Dural and Dupre who will not drop the ball against us like they have been against others. I think Harris will play well overall but I hope we can make him throw a couple picks.
Posted on 10/28/15 at 9:54 pm to chattabama
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I know it's hard for LSU fans to fathom, but it's altogether possible that our front seven is legit and Fournette has limited success.
I could just as easily say: I know it's hard for Alabama fans to imagine, but it's altogether possible that our running game really is the best in America and there's nothing you can do to stop it without leaving the pass game exposed for a big play from Brandon Harris.
How does the game go if that's the case?
Posted on 10/28/15 at 9:59 pm to Draconian Sanctions
I think Harris's game depends completely on Fournette. If Fournette is firing on all cylinders, then Harris is going to be successful. If Fournette is not firing on all cylinders, I think Harris cracks.
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