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re: Concerning Brandon Harris...
Posted on 10/27/15 at 7:08 pm to ReauxlTide222
Posted on 10/27/15 at 7:08 pm to ReauxlTide222
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How do y'all do against TEs? I've noticed slants and crosses over the middle give y'all fits at points during games. Hoping Howard can do some work in there.
Our secondary has been what your OLine has for yall, super talented just unable to really put it all together to this point.
For stretches they've been very good, for others it's been a struggle. Chavis ran mostly simple, man type coverages and now Steele has installed a lot of zone and generally more complicated coverages and there's been an adjustment period with communication and just knowing where to be at all times. Things have, for the most part, been better when Jalen Mills is in the game (he missed this first 5 games and was limited in the last 2), but it's unclear how much he'll play in this game.
When they are on things are fine and it's a really good unit, but we've been good for one or two totally busted coverages a game so far which isn't going to cut it on November 7th obviously. The hope is that with 2 weeks to get ready we can go back to basics a little bit and get that cleaned up and also that Mills will be able to play the whole game as he's essentially a coach on the field. Who knows if either of those happens.
At linebacker we're "ok" in coverage. They generally know what to do but we're just fairly thin at that spot after the first couple of guys. After that it's hard workers who are just not super talented for this level. Much better against the run though.
This post was edited on 10/27/15 at 7:19 pm
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Posted on 10/27/15 at 10:16 pm to Funky Tide 8
I want be surprised if this game ends up a blow out. LSU hasn't played anyone imo. They're just a slightly better Georgia that has played an easy schedule.
You can't run on us. That's their bread and butter. It's ova.
You can't run on us. That's their bread and butter. It's ova.
Posted on 10/27/15 at 11:07 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Saying you "expect" a guy who hasn't thrown a pick all year to throw two
Do you believe that Brandon Harris ends the year with 0 INTs?
Posted on 10/28/15 at 12:49 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
I think he is a below average QB who has not played anyone in all reality. Florida is a good team, but Tennessee did score 27 on them or 26 whatever it was.
Vs. Miss St he was 9-14 71 yards....Def ranked 52
Vs Auburn 12-17 74 yards...........Def ranked 99
Vs. Syracuse 8-16 157 yards......Def ranked 69
Vs. Eastern Mich. 4-14 80 yards.....Def ranked 120
Vs. USCe 18-28 228 yards.......Def ranked 85
Vs. Florida 13-19 202 yards......Def ranked 18
Vs. Western Kent. 11-20 286 yards..Def ranked 105
Now the QB is going against horrible defenses with average numbers, but with L.F. and the rest of the backs racking up yards of 220 to 300 yards a game, he basically is seeing 8 and 9 men in the box at times, and is still average. If Bame shuts the running game down with 7 in the box to the tune of 100-120 for the game, Harris will not win the game facing third and 6's to 8's, he just will not.
Now by comparison, lets look at Bama's foes and our QB's numbers. More INT's no doubt, but most were early on.
Vs. Wisc. Coker 15-21 213 yards, and Cooper was 7-8 for 51 yards.................Their Defense is ranked Number 8
Vs. Middle Tenn. Coker was 15-26 214 yards, and Cooper was 11-17 for 98 yards....................Defense ranked 74
Vs. Ole Miss Cooper was 11-14 for 87 yards, and Coker was 21-45 for 201 yards.............Their Def. is ranked 31
Vs. LMU Coker was 17-31 for 158 yards.......Def ranked 105
Vs. Georgia Coker was 11-16 for 190 yards...Def ranked 15
Vs. Arkansas Coker was 24-33 for 262 yards..Def ranked 52
Vs. Texas A&M Coker was 19-25 for 135 yards.Def ranked 64
Vs. Tenn. Coker was 21-27 for 247 yards.... Def ranked 80
The Average ranked Defense LSU has played is 78.2.
The Average Ranked Defense Bama has played is 53.6
With our defense coming at him, and him having played basically no good defensive teams yet, save for Florida who might look better than they are considering they have played New Mexico St., Kentucky, East Carolina, Mizzou to go along with Tenn. and Ole Miss. (Great game there) But beat ECU by 7 and UK by 5 and Tenn. by 1
Just going by stats, if L.F. and LSU can not run the ball, I do not think they have a shot at all.
Vs. Miss St he was 9-14 71 yards....Def ranked 52
Vs Auburn 12-17 74 yards...........Def ranked 99
Vs. Syracuse 8-16 157 yards......Def ranked 69
Vs. Eastern Mich. 4-14 80 yards.....Def ranked 120
Vs. USCe 18-28 228 yards.......Def ranked 85
Vs. Florida 13-19 202 yards......Def ranked 18
Vs. Western Kent. 11-20 286 yards..Def ranked 105
Now the QB is going against horrible defenses with average numbers, but with L.F. and the rest of the backs racking up yards of 220 to 300 yards a game, he basically is seeing 8 and 9 men in the box at times, and is still average. If Bame shuts the running game down with 7 in the box to the tune of 100-120 for the game, Harris will not win the game facing third and 6's to 8's, he just will not.
Now by comparison, lets look at Bama's foes and our QB's numbers. More INT's no doubt, but most were early on.
Vs. Wisc. Coker 15-21 213 yards, and Cooper was 7-8 for 51 yards.................Their Defense is ranked Number 8
Vs. Middle Tenn. Coker was 15-26 214 yards, and Cooper was 11-17 for 98 yards....................Defense ranked 74
Vs. Ole Miss Cooper was 11-14 for 87 yards, and Coker was 21-45 for 201 yards.............Their Def. is ranked 31
Vs. LMU Coker was 17-31 for 158 yards.......Def ranked 105
Vs. Georgia Coker was 11-16 for 190 yards...Def ranked 15
Vs. Arkansas Coker was 24-33 for 262 yards..Def ranked 52
Vs. Texas A&M Coker was 19-25 for 135 yards.Def ranked 64
Vs. Tenn. Coker was 21-27 for 247 yards.... Def ranked 80
The Average ranked Defense LSU has played is 78.2.
The Average Ranked Defense Bama has played is 53.6
With our defense coming at him, and him having played basically no good defensive teams yet, save for Florida who might look better than they are considering they have played New Mexico St., Kentucky, East Carolina, Mizzou to go along with Tenn. and Ole Miss. (Great game there) But beat ECU by 7 and UK by 5 and Tenn. by 1
Just going by stats, if L.F. and LSU can not run the ball, I do not think they have a shot at all.
This post was edited on 10/28/15 at 12:53 am
Posted on 10/28/15 at 8:54 am to Tuskkman
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he basically is seeing 8 and 9 men in the box at times, and is still average.
Lies, damn lies, and statistics
He hasn't been asked to be anything but average. They have slowly taken the wraps off him as the season has gone on and shown more and more trust in him. He was rewarded that trust at every turn. Pro Football Focus seems impressed: LINK /
This post was edited on 10/28/15 at 8:56 am
Posted on 10/28/15 at 9:01 am to Draconian Sanctions
Are you saying he doesn't see 8 and 9 guys in the box regularly? Your link says he benefits from safeties coming up in run support to stop LF.
Posted on 10/28/15 at 9:04 am to SECSolomonGrundy
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Are you saying he doesn't see 8 and 9 guys in the box regularly?
where did I say that? I said he has improved dramatically since the beginning of the year, which is an undisputable fact. He's not a "great" QB by any stretch but he has graduated to "good", which with the best rushing attack in the nation is all we need to be capable of beating any team we play.
I honestly don't understand how that can possibly be considered controversial...
This post was edited on 10/28/15 at 9:05 am
Posted on 10/28/15 at 9:15 am to Draconian Sanctions
Well you quoted someone who said he was playing against 8 and 9 guys in the box and your comment was "Lies, damn lies"
I guess maybe you're saying he's not average. IMHO, he's average in some aspects and above average in others. But I do think he's better than any of the recent QBs Miles has had at LSU, other than Mett.
I guess maybe you're saying he's not average. IMHO, he's average in some aspects and above average in others. But I do think he's better than any of the recent QBs Miles has had at LSU, other than Mett.
This post was edited on 10/28/15 at 9:18 am
Posted on 10/28/15 at 9:19 am to SECSolomonGrundy
Oh, I guess I didn't quote the breakdown of his per game stats like I meant to.
Posted on 10/28/15 at 10:52 am to SECSolomonGrundy
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I guess maybe you're saying he's not average. IMHO, he's average in some aspects and above average in others. But I do think he's better than any of the recent QBs Miles has had at LSU, other than Mett.
Harris as a true Soph is a better QB than a 5th yr senior in Coker. That's a fact
Harris total QBR 77.3
Coker total QBR 66.7
It's a way more accurate reading than just QB rating to tell a QB's performance on the yr. Bama fans can wish all they want that Harris is garbage but facts tell the story. He's 19th in the country in total QBR as a true Soph. He's legit. This isn't the same LSU offense you are used to seeing.
This post was edited on 10/28/15 at 10:54 am
Posted on 10/28/15 at 11:27 am to Howyouluhdat
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Harris as a true Soph is a better QB than a 5th yr senior in Coker. That's a fact
Na, not really a fact.
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Harris total QBR 77.3
Coker total QBR 66.7
Does this rating factor in how clutch the player has been, or how shitty his offensive line's pass blocking is? Or how much more dominant one team's running game has been compared to the other's?
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Bama fans can wish all they want that Harris is garbage
No one in this thread is calling him "garbage."
I think most of us have said that he is a good QB.
What many of us are saying is that we think young Harris will get rattled by the Alabama crowd, the pressure from the front 7, and the talented secondary, and will throw one or more interceptions.
Posted on 10/28/15 at 11:28 am to Howyouluhdat
Harris has also had to do little most of the year because of LF. I'm willing to bet that Coker would look just as good as Harris if our line would get it together and we would continue to run the ball.
I also think Harris would have had a similR year to Coker if he was asked to do as much.
All of this is debatable, of course. What will be interesting to see is if Harris can come up big when under adversity. We have all seen Coker lead his team in critical moments. If LF is not productive enough, will Harris be able to pick up the slack?
I also think Harris would have had a similR year to Coker if he was asked to do as much.
All of this is debatable, of course. What will be interesting to see is if Harris can come up big when under adversity. We have all seen Coker lead his team in critical moments. If LF is not productive enough, will Harris be able to pick up the slack?
Posted on 10/28/15 at 11:46 am to Funky Tide 8
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What many of us are saying is that we think young Harris will get rattled by
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the pressure from the front 7, and the talented secondary
Could definitely happen. Pass protection will have to be on point, it is definitely the toughest test we have faced this season. I think we can hold the line and give Brandon enough time to make some plays, but whether we actually will be able to or not is completely up in the air.
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the Alabama crowd,
This part, I have to say I'm not nearly as worried about. In fact I'm glad in a way that this game is on the road. Follow me here:
Between the endings of the 2008, 2009, 2012, and 2014 games, LSU fans definitely have Bama PTSD. I think if you put yourselves in our shoes in those games you shouldn't have a hard time understanding why. 3 of those 4 (2009 notwithstanding) are the most excruciating, we had you dead to rights and pissed it away, losses I have ever experienced. If the game were in BR, if and when Alabama got a real or perceived "break" in the game you would feel the crowd have a "here we go again" attitude fall over it, which could spread to the team. We saw this happen last season a little bit going into Overtime.
Having the game on the road is more of an "us against the world" mentality that (good) Les Miles teams have traditionally thrived under. The players on this team don't have the personal baggage with Alabama that the fans have, and while BDS has a phenomenal atmosphere on game days, it is not, in my opinion, the kind of crowd that is likely to get in the head of a player the way some other stadiums might be.
This post was edited on 10/28/15 at 11:48 am
Posted on 10/28/15 at 11:47 am to Funky Tide 8
The most overlooked aspect of Brandon's game is his ability to escape pressure and still be accurate. I think it makes the difference in this game.
Posted on 10/28/15 at 12:08 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Having the game on the road is more of an "us against the world" mentality that (good) Les Miles teams have traditionally thrived under. The players on this team don't have the personal baggage with Alabama that the fans have, and while BDS has a phenomenal atmosphere on game days, it is not, in my opinion, the kind of crowd that is likely to get in the head of a player the way some other stadiums might be.
I hear ya, but I am talking more specifically about Harris. This will be his first start in a large SEC stadium since Auburn last year. Maybe it won't affect him at all, but it definitely might.
Posted on 10/28/15 at 12:10 pm to Funky Tide 8
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I hear ya, but I am talking more specifically about Harris. This will be his first start in a large SEC stadium since Auburn last year. Maybe it won't affect him at all, but it definitely might.
Anything could happen but I think it's unlikely. Harris today is light years ahead of the Harris of last season.
If he gets time to make plays I think he makes them. if he doesn't then yeah he'll get squashed/make forced throws that have a higher chance of getting picked off.
This post was edited on 10/28/15 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 10/28/15 at 12:13 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Anything could happen but I think it's unlikely. Harris today is light years ahead of the Harris of last season.
I just think that it is as likely as it is unlikely, since the only two SEC road games that he has started in are the only samples we have to go by, and those aren't exactly pretty.
Say what you want about BDS, but it will be LOUD on Nov. 7th. Very loud.
Posted on 10/28/15 at 12:18 pm to Funky Tide 8
He's been a different guy both on and off the field. there was a lot of skepticism around the program about him after last season but he has won over the trust of his teammates, the coaches, and the fans. There's really no other LSU QB in recent memory I'd rather have in this situation other than JaMarcus circa 2006. Maybe Matt Flynn 07, maybe.
I guess we'll find out for sure in 10 days, these are the kind of things that makes these games so exciting.
I guess we'll find out for sure in 10 days, these are the kind of things that makes these games so exciting.
This post was edited on 10/28/15 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 10/28/15 at 12:28 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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I guess we'll find out for sure in 10 days, these are the kind of things that makes these games so exciting.
Absolutely, I can't freaking wait! Whatever the outcome, I just want to see a good game.
Posted on 10/28/15 at 2:35 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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ability to escape pressure and still be accurate.
they said the same exact thing about Kyle Allen and you probably saw what happened to him.
Georgia's Lambert was setting records for completion percentage prior to playing bama, and he got benched midway through the game.
bama's defense is able to disrupt the QB in several ways because of the depth and talent on the DLine. They can bull rush and collapse the pocket , or they can put speed rushers on the edge, or they can use shifts and stunts to free up any of several jumbo pass rushers for big hits up the middle. The best thing they do might be batting passes down at the line. All those things effect a QBs accuracy.
How much will Harris play from the pocket? Play action is going to be his best friend but Bama will look to keep Eddie Jackson or another safety deep in center. I think I saw LSU use the flea flicker earlier this season. Will they go to that again?
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