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Posted on 10/27/15 at 2:45 pm to Draconian Sanctions
You are welcome to your opinion, but when you start criticizing our opinions as heart based instead of factual, even when backed up by stated facts, you cross the line on a visitors board IMO.
Posted on 10/27/15 at 2:48 pm to tider04
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You are welcome to your opinion, but when you start criticizing our opinions as heart based instead of factual,
I honestly don't see how it can be read as anything else, but that's fine lets just agree to disagree and move on.
Posted on 10/27/15 at 2:53 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Well that's really your problem. Statistically, Coker throws less than 1 pick per game, and even less than that the last month of the season since he won the job. So me predicting 0-1 picks for him is statistically right on point. You can't argue that.
Harris has only played one good defense, has attempted around half the passes Coker has, and has had several bad passes that should have and would have been picked by good secondaries. Those are also facts. Bama has the best secondary in the SEC with the most picks and the best front seven with the most sacks. All facts. That would easily lend one to believe that they may create a pick or two against said young QB. So again, feel free to disagree but to say it's not a reasoned argument is foolish on your part and again, on this board not welcome.
Harris has only played one good defense, has attempted around half the passes Coker has, and has had several bad passes that should have and would have been picked by good secondaries. Those are also facts. Bama has the best secondary in the SEC with the most picks and the best front seven with the most sacks. All facts. That would easily lend one to believe that they may create a pick or two against said young QB. So again, feel free to disagree but to say it's not a reasoned argument is foolish on your part and again, on this board not welcome.
Posted on 10/27/15 at 2:56 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Our secondary has performed well this year. Much of that is due to our defensive pressure and affecting the QB. But the number of picks comes down to if guys can catch the ball. I'll be the first to admit that I didn't see 4 picks including 3 pick 6s against A&M. But on the other hand our guys dropped what may have been 2-3 picks against UT. I'm sure opportunities will be there on both sides, guys just have to make plays.
Posted on 10/27/15 at 2:58 pm to Snoop1911
quote:bama dropped 4 picks against the vols. They were in position, don't think we will see that happen again. Sure hope not.
Our secondary has performed well this year. Much of that is due to our defensive pressure and affecting the QB. But the number of picks comes down to if guys can catch the ball. I'll be the first to admit that I didn't see 4 picks including 3 pick 6s against A&M. But on the other hand our guys dropped what may have been 2-3 picks against UT. I'm sure opportunities will be there on both sides, guys just have to make plays.
Posted on 10/27/15 at 3:01 pm to tider04
Like I said, agree to disagree and moving on
Posted on 10/27/15 at 3:02 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Ps-- this is the Bama board, if you don't like our take, move on back over to your board or you will be banned here. Thanks.
I'm just trying to have an open, honest, and fair discussion about the game because that's not really possible on the SECr. I have been more than even handed in my analysis.
Please, don't let tider04 deter your analysis and conversation on here. You aren't saying anything that would remotely be considered "crossing the line." If he is offended, he can leave the thread.
Coker has thrown 7 to Harris's 0. Those are trends, and it is perfectly reasonable for you to think that those trends might continue.
I think that our secondary/front 7 is really good and will pick Harris off, assuming he throws it more than 10 times. I will not be surprised if Coker gets picked a time or two as well.
This post was edited on 10/27/15 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 10/27/15 at 3:06 pm to Draconian Sanctions
That's fine, also noted you didn't challenge any of the facts I gave to back up my argument. Also bookmarking for after the game. 
Posted on 10/27/15 at 3:09 pm to Funky Tide 8
Funky, I'm not offended...but if I want reasoned arguments backed up by facts and stats dumped on by a rival I will go to tiger rant. And if anyone is going to leave this thread it will be him, not me. Thanks for the douchebaggery post through, wipe the brown off your nose while you're at it.
Posted on 10/27/15 at 3:12 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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I bet I could look through Coker's throws this season and find a whole bunch of "should have been" INTs.
Most of his "should have beens" have actually been picked. He's had one dropped INT that I can remember.
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Saying you "expect" a guy who hasn't thrown a pick all year to throw two while also saying that you'd be shocked if a guy who has thrown 7 has more than one, and you think will likely have zero is not a reasoned prediction.
Agree with this. That said, I think the assumption is A) Harris hasn't faced a pass rush like what he will face against Bama, B) the Bama secondary has proven to have great ball skills and may get one that other teams might not have and C) he won't go all year without a pick. If he throws one, it most likely comes in the biggest pressure game he and his teammates have played in.
As for Coker, I think most of us believe that the play calling will be super vanilla and a heavy dose of running, short passes, screens, boots, etc. Most of Coker's picks have been on longer throws (slower developing, pass rushers in his face, etc).
Posted on 10/27/15 at 3:24 pm to tider04
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Funky, I'm not offended..
sure fooled me.
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.but if I want reasoned arguments backed up by facts and stats dumped on by a rival
what is wrong with this? quote:
Thanks for the douchebaggery post through, wipe the brown off your nose while you're at it.
I'm sorry, but you are really the only one that is getting upset with what Draconian is posting. You can disagree with him without threatening to have him booted off of the board. It isn't like he made a personal attack, or called anyone names. His argument is fine.
Posted on 10/27/15 at 3:30 pm to tider04
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That's fine, also noted you didn't challenge any of the facts I gave to back up my argument. Also bookmarking for after the game.
I could but I'm choosing not to in the spirit of goodwill and I don't want to get too testy on this board.
You can bookmark it all you want as I have not and am not saying that your scenario can't happen.
This post was edited on 10/27/15 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 10/27/15 at 3:35 pm to Funky Tide 8
Funky, the only thing I challenged draconian on was him stating my argument that Coker (who averages less than a pick per game) wouldn't have more than one pick against his team, was homersim.
Also that the best defense with the most sacks and picks wouldn't get a pick or two against a young, largely untested QB who should have had several bad balls picked already. It's not an unreasonable assumption, period. I will continue to contend that it isn't and when the game stats back this up in 10 days, I will make sure to point it out.
Also that the best defense with the most sacks and picks wouldn't get a pick or two against a young, largely untested QB who should have had several bad balls picked already. It's not an unreasonable assumption, period. I will continue to contend that it isn't and when the game stats back this up in 10 days, I will make sure to point it out.
This post was edited on 10/27/15 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 10/27/15 at 3:45 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:You said it was a prediction based on my heart not my head, meaning you either don't think it will happen or it is unlikely to happen. I'm saying it IS likely that Coker does not throw more than one pick this game, and it is likely that our ballhawk defense gets Harris at least once, maybe even twice. The lines are clearly drawn, don't try to back-pedal now.
You can bookmark it all you want as I have not and am not saying that your scenario can't happen.
Posted on 10/27/15 at 3:57 pm to tider04
I am not trying to butt heads with a fellow Bama board guy, so lets just all take a deep breath and be nice.
I will admit that the premise of this thread is based on feeling and heart, but such feelings oft times prove true.
I will admit that the premise of this thread is based on feeling and heart, but such feelings oft times prove true.
Posted on 10/27/15 at 4:09 pm to Funky Tide 8
Fair enough. You were the one who predicted 2 first half picks by Harris, I predicted 1-2 the whole game and I'm the one getting called a homer while you came to his defense. Sorry if that rubbed me the wrong way. Coker 0-1 picks, Harris 1-2. Stand by that and look forward to revisiting this thread with Draconian.
Posted on 10/27/15 at 4:12 pm to tider04
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and I'm the one getting called a homer while you came to his defense.
He had already called me a homer on the second page, and I somewhat agreed with him
This post was edited on 10/27/15 at 4:14 pm
Posted on 10/27/15 at 4:26 pm to Funky Tide 8
BTW...went back and looked at his highlights you posted in WKU game and he had some really nice darts as well as several bad throws. A couple of which could have been picked, including one of his TD throws. The opportunities will be there for our secondary, hopefully they capitalize like they did against UGA and TAMU instead of dropping multiple balls like they did against UT. Turnovers will be one of the keys to this game for sure.
Posted on 10/27/15 at 4:56 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:How do y'all do against TEs? I've noticed slants and crosses over the middle give y'all fits at points during games. Hoping Howard can do some work in there.
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