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re: Would you be happy with 11-3?
Posted on 6/14/17 at 7:44 pm to AirDawg
Posted on 6/14/17 at 7:44 pm to AirDawg
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djsdawg - The issue I have with your statement is "being realistic".
I'm tired of being realistic. Realistic tastes too much like the latter part of the CMR era. I am a fan from the early 80's when at age 5 I saw Hershel Walker carry our team to glory. My Dad screaming and hugging complete strangers from pure joy. So I've been loyal, but I'm hungry.
Every year we make excuses and hope for next year, only to be Pre-season NCs and Post Season afterthoughts. If we wait until next season our excuses will be, we lost Chubb, Michel, Bellamy, Carter, Sanders, Davis, and a whole host more. We need to do it now! No excuses.
I totally get where you are coming from, but the patience level needs to reset a bit when a coaching change occurs. For example, Richt would have likely been fired last year, but Smart was given a pass for it. Kind of like Donnan getting fired for 8-4, but Richt not in 2001.
Some may use those excuses for 2018, but they might not be valid with the 2017 class growing up. Hopefully those 5 star frosh get some solid PT this year, and we could have some upgrades or little drop off at those spots.
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Posted on 6/14/17 at 7:45 pm to gatorhata9
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Why can't you understand that these are two very different arguments and each is more nuanced than you're admitting?
Its because he has no clue what "nuance" means
Thats the difference between growing up on the farm rather than the jungle.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 7:46 pm to AirDawg
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Kirby came into the same system that was being run at Alabama.
The same system that requires elite talent all over the field? Takes time to build that up.
This post was edited on 6/14/17 at 7:47 pm
Posted on 6/14/17 at 7:50 pm to DawgsLife
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he wasn't coming in to a situation that was bad. We had won 10 games in the two previous years. He was not in a rebuilding situation.
More of a rebuild than you admit. The 2015 team wasnt good and it lost solid NFL players that were not replaced. The 2013 class was pure crap.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 8:00 pm to djsdawg
Champions make commitments, losers make excuses*
Posted on 6/14/17 at 8:10 pm to Peter Buck
That's what Ben Franklin said to his first wife before he drowned her in the fountain in front of the first masonic temple in Philadelphia.
He held that bitch down and was done with her.
He held that bitch down and was done with her.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 8:11 pm to Peter Buck
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Champions make commitments, losers make excuses*
Idiots expect championships no matter the quality of the roster.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 9:31 pm to djsdawg
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Hopefully those 5 star frosh get some solid PT this year, and we could have some upgrades or little drop off at those spots.
And in 2018 you'll be saying that we never had a chance because we lost Chubb and Sony and a ton of defensive players and you can't expect a team to compete with all those losses.
2019 will be something else, and 2020 and so on.
It's college football. Unless you're Bama or Ohio State and have 5-star Juniors on your bench, there's going to be a lot of turnover on the roster every year and every roster is going to have major problems to address and holes to fill.
The difference is, elite coaches get the most out of whatever they have, and what we have is 100% good enough to win the East and win 10-11 games if the coaching is actually elite.
Name a head coach in the last decade that wasn't great in year 2 at a school that ended up being great at that same school. There are no Vince Dooley 16-year projects anymore. There's too much money involved.
Cut the shite and win football games. Win them now. The talent level on the roster is fine. More than fine.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 9:37 pm to BranchDawg
Kirbys biggest challenge will be Chaney and his own idea of what he wants vs what we SHOULD do with the talent we have. If we line up in that I formation and 10 in the box set all game I may not make it through this season.
Eason needs to live in the shotgun with the defense spread out enough to give our RBs room. If we do that it'll be hard to stop us.
Eason needs to live in the shotgun with the defense spread out enough to give our RBs room. If we do that it'll be hard to stop us.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 10:00 pm to BranchDawg
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And in 2018 you'll be saying that we never had a chance because we lost Chubb and Sony and a ton of defensive players and you can't expect a team to compete with all those losses.
No. Go back and quote what I said before that and try to put the concept together in your head. Rb isn't gonna be an issue at uga with swift and Zamir to go with herrien and Holyfield. Our dbs lack talent now so Gibbs and Lecounte would be an upgrade. Same goes with our ot position. We would also likely return multiple proven WRs as well.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 10:33 pm to djsdawg
Demand excellence
Posted on 6/14/17 at 11:40 pm to Peter Buck
I will for 2018.
Posted on 6/15/17 at 6:03 am to Buddy2012
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With a Richt built team.. Disaster OL, true freshman QB and below average wr
Richt averaged 10 wins a year with "Richt built teams".
Lets not kid ourselves by thinking it was a bad team. We still had much better rosters than 2 of those 3 teams and a better roster than the third. We had the third team on the ropes with less than a minute to go in the game. Had that been Richt you guys would have been tearing this board apart saying he was a horrible coach....which a couple on here has definitely said he was not a good coach or recruiter.
Posted on 6/15/17 at 6:16 am to DawgsLife
The problem many had with CMR, myself included and have said as much numerous times on here, is that while an above average recruiter and an outstanding human being, his team's were ALWAYS less than the sum of their parts. He could never get it all together at once.
First couple of years, you give a guy a pass because it's the first couple of years, and he's building a program from scratch. The problem is that he won all of his SECC trophies during that grace period. He averaged going every three years, but he averaged winning them every 7.5. That's problematic when you figure in 3 appearances and 2 wins in his first 5 years, and 2 more but no Ws in his last 10.
Mark Richt 2001-07 and 2008-2015 appear to be two entirely different coaches if you look at their stats anonymously. You've gotta be able to get over the hump, and he couldn't.
First couple of years, you give a guy a pass because it's the first couple of years, and he's building a program from scratch. The problem is that he won all of his SECC trophies during that grace period. He averaged going every three years, but he averaged winning them every 7.5. That's problematic when you figure in 3 appearances and 2 wins in his first 5 years, and 2 more but no Ws in his last 10.
Mark Richt 2001-07 and 2008-2015 appear to be two entirely different coaches if you look at their stats anonymously. You've gotta be able to get over the hump, and he couldn't.
Posted on 6/15/17 at 6:30 am to djsdawg
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More of a rebuild than you admit. The 2015 team wasnt good and it lost solid NFL players that were not replaced. The 2013 class was pure crap.
I understand, but we still had much better talent than most on our schedule. The very teams that played us tough, or beat us. However, I agree, that we have to give Smart more than a year or two....or three, for that matter. I am all in for giving him a minimum of 5 years, provided nothing hinckey happens like he is caught cheating big time, or some kind of morals thing doesn't pop up along the lines of Bobby Petrino.
My problem with Smart last year, is going to be my complaint about him this year. Many on here (I don't believe you were one of them) defended him by saying he was playing our OL out of position to try to put the best combination possible on the field. I get that....but now those same players are going to a different position this year. We wasted a year of experience for some of those guys to salvage an 8-4 year? Once he saw last year was a wash, why not get the underclassmen experience at their natural positions to get them ready for this year? I really don't want to hear that we have OLinemen playing in new positions this year as an excuse.
Posted on 6/15/17 at 6:37 am to VoxDawg
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The problem many had with CMR, myself included and have said as much numerous times on here, is that while an above average recruiter and an outstanding human being, his team's were ALWAYS less than the sum of their parts. He could never get it all together at once.
I'm not sure i TOTALLY agree, or disagree with what you are saying. I will say this, though....he never got a break. The kind of beak that wins a National Championship. Almost every winner gets one or two lucky breaks a year, that, if they go the other way would keep that team from winning the Natty. For whatever reason, his teams never seemed to get those breaks. It could be because they were not prepared enough. Or just unlucky. But, he had 2 or 3 teams, that, if they had gotten a couple of those breaks could have won a National Championship.
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First couple of years, you give a guy a pass because it's the first couple of years, and he's building a program from scratch.
I'm not sure we can give Richt OR Smart a pass on this. Both inherited pretty good teams. A decent amount of talent. (I am taking your comment "from scratch" at face value) They may not have had all the pieces they wanted, or they needed to get more of their type of players, but they had a lot of talent on their team.
I understand what you are saying, though. I am saying, and have said often, that while I loved Richt, it appeared as if it was time for him to go. It looked like he would not get over the hump. I also agree, you have to give Smart at least 5 years to show that he can show a lot of improvement with the team.
Posted on 6/15/17 at 6:57 am to DawgsLife
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I will say this, though....he never got a break. The kind of beak that wins a National Championship.
If anything remotely resembling what happened in 2012 happens to Smart, I'm sacrifing a goat in some woods and cutting myself, not calling for Smart's job.
That said, Richt was fired because of what happened from 2013-15. If he wins the East in '14 or doesn't look like dog shite in Jacksonville in '15 he's still Georgia's head coach today. That's fact.
Posted on 6/15/17 at 7:09 am to BranchDawg
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If anything remotely resembling what happened in 2012 happens to Smart, I'm sacrifing a goat in some woods and cutting myself, not calling for Smart's job.
That said, Richt was fired because of what happened from 2013-15. If he wins the East in '14 or doesn't look like dog shite in Jacksonville in '15 he's still Georgia's head coach today. That's fact.
Or if he wins in 2012 he would still be the coach. Either way....Kirby is our coach now and I think he will get the job done. Or, I think he will at least do as well as Richt. Hopefully better.
Posted on 6/15/17 at 8:36 am to VoxDawg
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Mark Richt 2001-07 and 2008-2015 appear to be two entirely different coaches if you look at their stats anonymously.
Exactly why folks say "averaged ten wins a year".....
Posted on 6/15/17 at 8:53 am to djsdawg
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Exactly why folks say "averaged ten wins a year".....
Actually, I say averaged 10 wins because that is what he did. He won 10 games in his last two years at UGA, so it's not like the program was falling apart. I mean, we could go down and list his record every single year he was at UGA if you feel like that would be more accurate.
From 2008-2015 he averaged 9.25 wins a year, so it's not like there was some huge drop off going on.
Interesting fact. Going into the 2017 season, you know how many active coaches will have won a National Championship? Four.
Saban, Meyer, Fisher and Sweeney
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