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re: Why would you fire the DC?
Posted on 12/5/13 at 4:10 pm to BarberitosDawg
Posted on 12/5/13 at 4:10 pm to BarberitosDawg
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Possibly and possibly he doesn't have the proper tools to get the job done.
He's providing a service. If he lacks tools or whatever, it's on him to make that known. If he has done so and said tools were not provided, it's on him to resign. Otherwise he is a goldbricker.
The playbook excuse is bugging me. How come nobody said "holy shite dude. that's a big-assed playbook. Cut that thing in half, FFS..." ?
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Posted on 12/5/13 at 4:19 pm to WoodstockDawg
According to some folks (who have chimed in anecdotally), CMR had words AGAIN with CTG after Vandy about dialing back the complexity of the playbook. Earliest reports were that that was the order at the beginning of summer camp due to the influx of new blood.
The thing that bothers me the most about it all is that if you go back and read the sum total of Grantham's comments on how the defense has performed this year, at no point has his scheme ever been considered as being the problem. His plan is perfect, according to him, and the only thing I haven't seen him say outright is that it's the players' fault for not recognizing his genius. He strikes me as the Defensive equivalent to Paul Johnson. He's such a smug motherfricker and buys his own publicity about being a defensive wizard that it's obviously the kids playing who aren't able to see the brilliance of his brain-baby.
ETA: It's important to remember that the players who signed with us on NSD were good players with solid fundamentals when they were in HS. Most had DOZENS of offers from FBS schools, so it's not like CTG and his crew are necessarily bad evaluators of talent, but something happens to them when they get on campus to go full retard, if you believe what you see on the field and in the box scores.
The thing that bothers me the most about it all is that if you go back and read the sum total of Grantham's comments on how the defense has performed this year, at no point has his scheme ever been considered as being the problem. His plan is perfect, according to him, and the only thing I haven't seen him say outright is that it's the players' fault for not recognizing his genius. He strikes me as the Defensive equivalent to Paul Johnson. He's such a smug motherfricker and buys his own publicity about being a defensive wizard that it's obviously the kids playing who aren't able to see the brilliance of his brain-baby.
ETA: It's important to remember that the players who signed with us on NSD were good players with solid fundamentals when they were in HS. Most had DOZENS of offers from FBS schools, so it's not like CTG and his crew are necessarily bad evaluators of talent, but something happens to them when they get on campus to go full retard, if you believe what you see on the field and in the box scores.
This post was edited on 12/5/13 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 12/5/13 at 4:28 pm to davesdawgs
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I simply don't know who we could get that would be better.
And you will never know who is better till you get someone else. Same has with CMR, Its like a broken record, who could we get, who could we get thats better,
Who the hell cares who we get, we will never know if they are better until we go get them. Who knows it might just work, if it doesnt then fire his arse and go get someone else
UGA will never win an N.C with CMR and Co
Posted on 12/5/13 at 4:41 pm to CockInYourEar
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3 straight years of declining performance/rankings for defensive statistics.
Bah! That just shows he needs more time to right the ship. Sort of how the White Star Line hasn't fired E.J. Smith: I mean, parts of the Titanic have made it to New York, so no reason not to give him more time to get the rest of it there.
Posted on 12/5/13 at 4:43 pm to JStanDawgFan
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Just because you give McDonald's money for a burger, doesn't mean you get to tell them how to spend it after the burger is eaten.
Smart companies do listen to their customers, though.
Posted on 12/5/13 at 4:45 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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We're falling behind other programs because of our refusal to spend money.
But if we spend the money, then we won't have the money! It's a Catch-22, I tell ya!
Posted on 12/5/13 at 4:58 pm to BarberitosDawg
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we have established he rebuilt defenses usually rather quickly where he had success.
Not sure what you're saying here, but the only had one other dc job and that was a failure.
This post was edited on 12/5/13 at 5:08 pm
Posted on 12/5/13 at 5:03 pm to BarberitosDawg
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Yeah, he's not a good coach.
Possibly and possibly he doesn't have the proper tools to get the job done.
Ok, then fire the players and bring in new ones. Except we can't do that - so if it's a two body equation and you cannot change one....
Posted on 12/5/13 at 5:07 pm to FaCubeItches
I don't know if it's funny, ironic, or both that this time next year we will possibly be having this same conversation. 
Posted on 12/5/13 at 5:13 pm to Sanford&MunSon
Not unlike how we were having this same discussion exactly a year ago, except it was only 2 of 3 years were shitty against the run instead of 3 of 4?
Bonus: A year ago we still had 350+ on the ground vs Bama waiting for us.
Bonus: A year ago we still had 350+ on the ground vs Bama waiting for us.
Posted on 12/5/13 at 8:24 pm to BarberitosDawg
If our defense blows nutz again next year his donut munching arse is gone. Their are a lot of D cords that would pounce on the UGA job like Charlie Weis on a BBQ sammich. It's proving time for his arse next year.
Posted on 12/5/13 at 8:59 pm to Sanford&MunSon
Yea and Richt will make another ho hum hire and we'll continue the same song and dance until he finally retires and Georgia decided winning is for gays and promotes Bobo 
Posted on 12/5/13 at 9:19 pm to BarberitosDawg
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Why would you fire the DC?
Because apparently nobody has the stomach to eliminate the real problem with the program and fire CMR....but dammit somebody needs to go!
Posted on 12/5/13 at 9:25 pm to WG_Dawg
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Our playbook is bigger than some in the NFL, so no not many probably can in year 1
Has there been any evidense to support this other than that one comment made from our ex-player? Just curious if we know this is true or not.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 6:05 am to Nicolae
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No. More like this:
1. Smart
2. Grantham
Foster was consulted, but Richt and Foster both say that he was talking with Bud about possible targets, such as Grantham.
Chavis was never contacted at all by UGA. Nor was Muschamp.
Not according to this article:
Richt acknowledged his six-week search to replace defensive coordinator Willie Martinez caused recruits to look elsewhere. Richt, who fired Martinez and two other defensive assistants on Dec. 2, hired former Dallas Cowboys assistant Todd Grantham on Jan. 15.
Richt pursued Virginia Tech's Bud Foster, LSU's John Chavis and Alabama's Kirby Smart before hiring Grantham.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 6:16 am to FooManChoo
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If our QB couldn't throw the ball to save his life but we scored 40 points a game by running it, no one would complain about how good/bad the passing game was. Same goes for defense.
You are correct. But, to use your analogy...the problem was we had a QB that could not throw the ball, so they stacked the box and we could not run the ball. To clarify....we couldn't stop the pass, so teams threw the ball a lot more. (See: Ga. Tech and Auburn)
Our run defense was not bad. The problem was the secondary. So, I ask again....was the problem the DC, or was the problem the secondary coach? Ultimately everything falls to the DC and, of course the HC....but you don't fire the secondary coach, or any other coach in the middle of the season, unless it is a complete dumpster fire. And we were winning games in spite of our defense....or at least we were staying in the games. We didn't lose to Kentucky or App. State. We lost to Auburn and Clemson and some pretty good teams.
Yes, young players flourish in other defenses...but NORMALLY thy flourish when surrounded by experienced players. name me a freshman that flourished in another defense. I think you will find he played with experienced players surrounding him.
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The problem isn't the scheme or the players, it is the combination of the two at the same time.
I agree. But we realized this after the season was underway. We all knew we would struggle...just not as much as we did. It's safe to figure the coaching staff realized it at the same time. You never know exactly how your team or players will do until the season starts. Who knew before the season started last year that Gurley would emerge as the star and Marshall as his back up? Once the season starts you don't overhaul a whole defensive scheme.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 6:21 am to Dawgs9
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UGA will never win an N.C with CMR and Co
Thank you, Nostradamus. Now, can you give me some stock tips?
I just love it when people make absolute comments like this. means as much as if I were to say, "We WILL win a National Championship with Mark Richt!"
How could anybody possibly know this?
Posted on 12/6/13 at 6:23 am to FaCubeItches
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3 straight years of declining performance/rankings for defensive statistics.
Bah! That just shows he needs more time to right the ship. Sort of how the White Star Line hasn't fired E.J. Smith: I mean, parts of the Titanic have made it to New York, so no reason not to give him more time to get the rest of it there.
Really? Wow. Statistics show otherwise, but lets not allow facts get in the way of a good story:
Todd Grantham 2012 19.64 PPGA
Todd Grantham 2011 20.57 PPGA
Todd Grantham 2010 22.08 PPGA
Posted on 12/6/13 at 6:26 am to FaCubeItches
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But if we spend the money, then we won't have the money! It's a Catch-22, I tell ya!
Actually, there is some merit to this. Stats show we sold out every single home game. How do you raise more capital? It is limited.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 6:30 am to VoxDawg
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Not unlike how we were having this same discussion exactly a year ago, except it was only 2 of 3 years were shitty against the run instead of 3 of 4?
Bonus: A year ago we still had 350+ on the ground vs Bama waiting for us.
I wasn't here last year, but....you guys were in full meltdown after we ended the season ranked #5 in the country?
Wow.
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