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re: Why should Eason start over Fromm?
Posted on 9/27/17 at 4:47 pm to texasdawginGA
Posted on 9/27/17 at 4:47 pm to texasdawginGA
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Someone remind me, Did Richt ever have any DESIGNED runs for Shockley? I don't remember the offense working that way.
Probably not. None that i remember, anyway. he did not like his quarterbacks running the ball. He discouraged Murray from running. He was always afraid the QB would get hurt and you would be in trouble. Francois is a good example.
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Posted on 9/27/17 at 5:10 pm to fibonaccisquared
quote:You should seem me argue about religion on the politics board
Daaang... and I get a bad wrap for making long posts around here.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 5:19 pm to texasdawginGA
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Someone remind me, Did Richt ever have any DESIGNED runs for Shockley? I don't remember the offense working that way. Though, he did have some nice long runs...
Not often but they did get called.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 5:36 pm to DawgsLife
quote:Yeah, very different teams between last year and this year. What we know so far is what we have with Fromm working with this team. I'm of the opinion that we don't mess with what works until it doesn't work any more.
It's really kind fo hard to say for me. The teams seems to respond better to Fromm....but the only thing we can make a comparison with is last years tem to this years team. And that isn't fair to Eason.
Maybe if we were barely winning games (or losing) and Fromm was putting us in a bad position through mismanagement of the offense, I'd be begging for Eason to come back as soon as possible. But aside from ND, we've been putting up 30+ points a game (and we probably would've had more against ND if not for some dropped passes and penalties) and Fromm has managed the offense like a veteran.
quote:Yeah, that does make things more difficult, but we can't keep running things the way CMR did. CKS has said multiple times that every position is a competition and no player should think that they deserve to start if they haven't earned their spot from week to week. While a constant QB competition throughout the season may not be great, it should drive all of our QBs to get better and better. If Eason is the best QB we have and can give us the better shot at winning games, he should play over Fromm. I just don't think he is the better QB and I've got a feeling CKS knows that and is being political about the whole thing.
As someone who has played at a similar level, all I can say is players do not like to think they will be replaced because of an unavoidable injury. by the same token, they also like to believe if they perform well, they will be given a starting job. It's a double edged sword.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 5:39 pm to DawgsLife
I think as UGA fans we have (unknowingly) become overly loyal to individual players and they become our point of pride, for whatever reason, and we hang our hearts on single players because we always knew (note the past tense) that the team/coaches would somehow let us down by derping a game (or 5) away each season.
This Fromm / Eason debate highlights the way that fans of the same team can rationalize and argue endlessly in circles about one player over another in almost any scenario imaginable. Hopefully, Kirby's system will pan out as he outlines/describes it and we as a fan base can just enjoy whoever trots out on the field, knowing there is another qualified guy right behind him on the bench ready to go no matter what happens.
I think our big QB debate is a sympton of our deep distrust of any real recruiting depth, young player preparedness, and overall coaching over the last 30+ years. We are looking for our "But Stafford was awesome arguments and points of pride" even though those teams didn't quite put it all together for the perfect season...we can still brag on individuals...
I am committed to the "G" - not Fromm or Eason. Hey, let 'em both sit behind Fields or whoever is next in line! I will become a fan of the individual when they are in the NFL or killin it in the real world!
This Fromm / Eason debate highlights the way that fans of the same team can rationalize and argue endlessly in circles about one player over another in almost any scenario imaginable. Hopefully, Kirby's system will pan out as he outlines/describes it and we as a fan base can just enjoy whoever trots out on the field, knowing there is another qualified guy right behind him on the bench ready to go no matter what happens.
I think our big QB debate is a sympton of our deep distrust of any real recruiting depth, young player preparedness, and overall coaching over the last 30+ years. We are looking for our "But Stafford was awesome arguments and points of pride" even though those teams didn't quite put it all together for the perfect season...we can still brag on individuals...
I am committed to the "G" - not Fromm or Eason. Hey, let 'em both sit behind Fields or whoever is next in line! I will become a fan of the individual when they are in the NFL or killin it in the real world!
This post was edited on 9/27/17 at 5:41 pm
Posted on 9/27/17 at 5:43 pm to texasdawginGA
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Someone remind me, Did Richt ever have any DESIGNED runs for Shockley? I don't remember the offense working that way.
Though, he did have some nice long runs...
2004 David Greene 23 rushing attempts for -67 yards.
2005 DJ Shockley 78 rushing attempts for 322 rushing yards.
Yes. DJ got yards on both designed runs and scrambling after a busted pass play.
He also ran the offense almost exclusively from the shotgun (between the 20s and except for 3rd and shorts). It gave him a better view of soft spots in the defense and where to escape if pressure came.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 11:12 pm to meansonny
Good stuff meansonny!
I was interested in 2004 with the 2 QBs both getting game reps. Shock played in 10 games, 24 rushes 113 yards. 4+ yards per rush. Not bad, but he wasnt running RPO or zone read type options between the tackles...That's 2.4 rushes per game....I'd doubt many, if any, of those 2.4 rushes per game were designed runs. Likely good scrambling when plays broke down with a few 10-15 yarders sprinkled in.
All that to say that 2 QB rotation in 2004 (mostly Greene of course) wasn't specifically for a change of pace or for running plays. It was respect for 2 guys that could spin it and play ball, who developed at similarly one year apart.
Just a long way around to say a QB rotation isn't always bad...maybe rarely good but not always bad, and we've seen it succeed before at UGA.
I am not lobbying for it this year, but it wouldn't bother me either as long as W's are the result!!
Cheers!
I was interested in 2004 with the 2 QBs both getting game reps. Shock played in 10 games, 24 rushes 113 yards. 4+ yards per rush. Not bad, but he wasnt running RPO or zone read type options between the tackles...That's 2.4 rushes per game....I'd doubt many, if any, of those 2.4 rushes per game were designed runs. Likely good scrambling when plays broke down with a few 10-15 yarders sprinkled in.
All that to say that 2 QB rotation in 2004 (mostly Greene of course) wasn't specifically for a change of pace or for running plays. It was respect for 2 guys that could spin it and play ball, who developed at similarly one year apart.
Just a long way around to say a QB rotation isn't always bad...maybe rarely good but not always bad, and we've seen it succeed before at UGA.
I am not lobbying for it this year, but it wouldn't bother me either as long as W's are the result!!
Cheers!
Posted on 9/27/17 at 11:27 pm to texasdawginGA
I just went back to watch DJ vs Clemson in 2003:
The 1st play for him was a designed run.
The next run for him in the 3rd Q appeared to be a designed run as well.
He also had a 29 yard TD run, which was also a designed run.
The 1st play for him was a designed run.
The next run for him in the 3rd Q appeared to be a designed run as well.
He also had a 29 yard TD run, which was also a designed run.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 11:37 pm to FooManChoo
All good brotha... I am a fan of the long form myself... Besides.. the old quote rings true still:
It takes a lot of editing, modification to get all of the points that you want across succinctly... frick that. I'll write until it's all out there unless someone's charging me per word.
I wonder why that would be verbose and cause for dialog...
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I didn't have time to write you a short message... so I wrote you a long one instead.
It takes a lot of editing, modification to get all of the points that you want across succinctly... frick that. I'll write until it's all out there unless someone's charging me per word.
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You should seem me argue about religion on the politics board
I wonder why that would be verbose and cause for dialog...Posted on 9/27/17 at 11:50 pm to djsdawg
Yes. I recall DJ having that sprint QB draw out of the shotgun after a shuffle step back to a throwing stance. There were a some run plays for him over the years, but the essence of the rotation in 2004 wasn't that each QB had different plays or concepts with totally different strengths. Richt wanted them both to spin it downfield...because they both could... (and I remember jackwagons in Sanford screaming for Shockley at every incompletion by Greene, and vice versa) ....Never satisfied ....
That is my only point...
I think we all loved both of those guys. DGD's for sure.
On another note, didn't Peyton Manning take a job from an injured starter?....Actually 2 injured starters...Colquitt and Helton.....
That is my only point...
I think we all loved both of those guys. DGD's for sure.
On another note, didn't Peyton Manning take a job from an injured starter?....Actually 2 injured starters...Colquitt and Helton.....
Posted on 9/28/17 at 6:38 pm to Thomaston_DAWG
I don't mind putting Eason in if Fromm struggles. However just roll with me for a second, Fromm struggles vs UT then Eason comes in and handles the game. Eason starts vs Vandy but has 4 straight 3 and outs with tons of overthrows and other bad passes. Do we then go back to Fromm? I'm worried that if we start switching QBs it will help nobody because regardless both guys are going to have rough games at some point.
I think if we do swap back to Eason at any point we should stick with him and not change back again to Fromm (the whole 2 QBs = 0 QBs) again unless Eason (please no) gets hurt again.
I think if we do swap back to Eason at any point we should stick with him and not change back again to Fromm (the whole 2 QBs = 0 QBs) again unless Eason (please no) gets hurt again.
This post was edited on 9/28/17 at 6:40 pm
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