re: Why should Eason start over Fromm?

You missed my point...an under thrown ball can still be caught while an over thrown ball cannot.

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That's true but my point was about that particular play that is being used to prove Eason can do what Fromm can't. What we care about is results, and if the defender doesn't inexplicably slow down on that play, we might not even be talking about that throw. It wasn't the throw alone that gave us the TD.

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No single factor will ever lead to a TD. A key block, great catch, missed assignment....something always happens. All I am saying is Eason can do some things that Fromm cannot do. And Fromm can do some things that Eason cannot do.

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whether they were short because he misjudged the timing or because he physically couldn't throw it further than he did.

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True. Nobody can say definitively. I haven't seen a pass that Fromm has thrown for more than 40 yards in the air that was not thrown short, though.

However, there is more to being a good QB than a strong arm. That is only one component. Fromm has other qualities that make him a good QB. I do believe that Fromm could be a great college QB. I also believe that Fromm looks better as a freshman than Eason did as a freshman. I don't know if Fromm is a better QB as a freshman than Eason is as a sophomore, though. That question has not been answered either way.

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haven't seen a pass that Fromm has thrown for more than 40 yards in the air that was not thrown short, though.

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47 yard pass to Ridley was on the money. How far was the flea flicker?

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Actually we were on our own 41 and the ball went to their 20 which means he threw it for 39 yards. Every QB should be able to throw the ball 39 yards in the air.

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I know where the markers were. I probably should have spelled out TTA as through the air. I distinguished between the markers and the release because he was well behind the marker when he threw it. Judging arm strength and the ability to throw the ball downfield, I went with the measurement that measured how far the ball traveled. Sorry for the confusion on that.

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As for the other two links....arm strength and velocity are two different things. A lot of QB's can throw the ball hard at short distances, but struggle throwing the ball down the field.

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Arm strength determines velocity. Friction, gravity, and all that fun stuff we learned about in physics class causes the ball to slow down the further it travels, so the more velocity the ball has, the faster it will travel, further.

Fromm doesn't appear to be struggling with the deep passes. He's got good velocity on balls 15+ yards down the field on the passes I've seen. The deep passes don't look like "air balls" either, like you see when someone with no strength tries to heave a ball as far as they can.

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An example of what I am talking about is the ball Mecole Hardman dropped against Notre Dame, I believe. It was woefully under thrown and Hardman had to come back for it. Hardman should have had it as it hit him in right in the hands. Monday morning everybody was acting like Fromm under threw it on purpose. I don't believe he did do it on purpose.

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This one? Not sure what your definition of "woefully" is but it wasn't that bad. He was probably five yards short of hitting Hardman in stride in the middle of the field (the placement was fine, but it did look under thrown). It was still a 50-yarder through the air and if Hardman catches the ball (he should have, easily), that's either an TD or we've got the ball on ND's 5 yard line.

That should have been a catch and Fromm put it in Mecole's hands, outside the reach of ND's defenders, even if it was a few yards short. It was still a TD or a huge gain for more points and that's what we need. That was not a throw that I thought "man, he just doesn't have enough arm to throw it that far". I was ticked that Mecole dropped an easy catch. It wasn't a perfect throw but considering the circumstances, Fromm delivered a catachable ball nearly half the length of the football field in his first start in an away game. I was pleased with the potential.

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Actually we were on our own 41 and the ball went to their 20 which means he threw it for 39 yards

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Not to get picky but we were on the 41 and he dropped back to about the 32 or 33...which is where the ball was released. Total of 47 or 48 through the air.

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I know where the markers were. I probably should have spelled out TTA as through the air. I distinguished between the markers and the release because he was well behind the marker when he threw it. Judging arm strength and the ability to throw the ball downfield, I went with the measurement that measured how far the ball traveled. Sorry for the confusion on that.

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Actually i was just thinking about that, too. I decided not to bring it up because every pass thrown is behind the LOS, so we would have to add 7-10 yards to every pass, and then to how many yards should every QB be expected to throw it. I decide to let it lie because passes are generally counted from the LOS. (Then it could be argued that yards after completion are counted, too.)

I think we are safe to say, that Eason has the stronger arm, though, wouldn't you say? And, while the ball is not normally thrown really deep often, when it is the game is on the line most times.

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Arm strength determines velocity. Friction, gravity, and all that fun stuff we learned about in physics class causes the ball to slow down the further it travels, so the more velocity the ball has, the faster it will travel, further.

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I understand. but, it seems the ball loses a lot of steam faster for some people than others. I've seen QB's throw the ball very hard at a close range, but cannot throw the ball deep. (Maybe they lose confidence? I honestly don't know what causes that)

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This one? Not sure what your definition of "woefully" is but it wasn't that bad. He was probably five yards short of hitting Hardman in stride in the middle of the field (the placement was fine, but it did look under thrown).

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Yes. That is the one. For me when a major college QB is 5 yards short it is bad. Or woeful.
If a receiver not only has to slow down, but come back for a ball it is bad....particularly when he has the defense beat. It could be he could have thrown it on the nose and just underestimated, I don't know.

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It was still a 50-yarder through the air and if Hardman catches the ball (he should have, easily), that's either an TD or we've got the ball on ND's 5 yard line.

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Better look at it again. he threw it from the 47 1/2 yard line and Mecole came back to the 10 for it, so he actually threw it for 43 yards, and it was underthrown to get it that far.

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That should have been a catch and Fromm put it in Mecole's hands,

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Absolutely it should have neen caught. Maybe you are misunderstanding me. I am not blaming Fromm for mecole missing it. I am blaming Fromm for throwing it short. had he thrown the ball where he should have thrown it, I think Hardman would catch the ball and we have a TD. (Key word: THINK...nobody knows for sure)

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That was not a throw that I thought "man, he just doesn't have enough arm to throw it that far".

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That is exactly what I was thinking. I am not saying I am right and you are wrong...just saying what it looks like to me. His arm does not have the strength or the velocity that Eason's has. That said, Eason does not have the vision that Fromm has. Fromm also seems to have learned about throwing it into tight windows. I don't remember him trying to force any throws against M. State, which is huge for a young QB. I'm a HUGE Fromm fan, so don't misunderstand what I am saying.

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No single factor will ever lead to a TD. A key block, great catch, missed assignment....something always happens. All I am saying is Eason can do some things that Fromm cannot do. And Fromm can do some things that Eason cannot do.

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I don't disagree, but we're talking about specifics. It's obvious that Eason has a better arm. He's got a better arm than just about everyone in college football.

The concern I have about Eason is whether or not he has improved enough from last year to be a more valuable asset than Fromm right now. The arm and just over half a season of experience are the only things Eason has over Fromm from what I've seen so far. Everything else appears to be in Fromm's favor and I think that "everything else" is what makes Fromm the better QB right now, at least until proven otherwise.

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True. Nobody can say definitively. I haven't seen a pass that Fromm has thrown for more than 40 yards in the air that was not thrown short, though.

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Maybe not a good example but Fromm did have a ball that may have been an overthrow of about 45 yards through the air against Moo State). Another one about the same distance through the air against ND (and off his back foot, it looked like) and finally this 40+ yard ball overthrowing Godwin for what could have been a TD.

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However, there is more to being a good QB than a strong arm. That is only one component. Fromm has other qualities that make him a good QB. I do believe that Fromm could be a great college QB. I also believe that Fromm looks better as a freshman than Eason did as a freshman. I don't know if Fromm is a better QB as a freshman than Eason is as a sophomore, though. That question has not been answered either way.

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Agreed.

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Actually i was just thinking about that, too. I decided not to bring it up because every pass thrown is behind the LOS, so we would have to add 7-10 yards to every pass, and then to how many yards should every QB be expected to throw it. I decide to let it lie because passes are generally counted from the LOS. (Then it could be argued that yards after completion are counted, too.)

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I certainly don't count where the ball was released to where it landed or was caught when talking about yards gained/lost, but when talking about arm strength and how far and fast a QB can chuck it, I thought it was an appropriate way to measure it.

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I think we are safe to say, that Eason has the stronger arm, though, wouldn't you say? And, while the ball is not normally thrown really deep often, when it is the game is on the line most times.

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Of course. No denying that Eason has a stronger arm. I'd argue that it's not necessarily true that "most times" the ball is thrown deep, the game is on the line. Fromm's flea flicker pass was a deep ball on the first play of the game. I know what you mean, though, and I'd wager that if we're trying for a hail mary pass, Fromm should be able to toss it about as far as Josh Dobbs.

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I understand. but, it seems the ball loses a lot of steam faster for some people than others. I've seen QB's throw the ball very hard at a close range, but cannot throw the ball deep. (Maybe they lose confidence? I honestly don't know what causes that)

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Could be touch they are putting on the ball, the timing of the play (they might not be trying to throw it as hard as they can in order to hit the receiver in-stride) or just the appearance of a gain or loss in velocity based on distance. Short throws can appear faster because they are: the ball isn't in the air long enough to be severely impacted by friction and gravity.

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Yes. That is the one. For me when a major college QB is 5 yards short it is bad. Or woeful.
If a receiver not only has to slow down, but come back for a ball it is bad....particularly when he has the defense beat. It could be he could have thrown it on the nose and just underestimated, I don't know.

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I thik "woeful" is a subjective descriptor but if it was woeful to you, I can't argue that. It just didn't seem that bad to me given the context. I've seen balls where receivers had to completely stop in their tracks and come back to the ball. To me, that's woeful. If a player slows down a little bit but can still catch a ball in stride, I don't think that's too bad. Difference of opinion, I guess.

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Better look at it again. he threw it from the 47 1/2 yard line and Mecole came back to the 10 for it, so he actually threw it for 43 yards, and it was underthrown to get it that far.

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The Mecole drop? I watched it a few more times and it definitely looks like he's throwing it from the 38 or 39 yard line on UGA's side of the field. It hits Mecole's hands on what looks like the 11 yard line for ND, which by my math is 50-51 yards through the air. It's a petty thing to argue about, but it's evidence of how far Fromm can throw a catchable ball even if it wasn't perfect.

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Absolutely it should have neen caught. Maybe you are misunderstanding me. I am not blaming Fromm for mecole missing it. I am blaming Fromm for throwing it short. had he thrown the ball where he should have thrown it, I think Hardman would catch the ball and we have a TD. (Key word: THINK...nobody knows for sure)

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Maybe he catches, it, maybe not. The ball hit him right the hands about a foot in front of his body (facing down the field where the ball came). IMO, there's no excuse for the drop so even if it was underthrown, it should have been a TD or a huge gain regardless. I believe Mecole even said after the game that it was his fault and that Fromm even gave him a pep talk after.

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That is exactly what I was thinking. I am not saying I am right and you are wrong...just saying what it looks like to me. His arm does not have the strength or the velocity that Eason's has. That said, Eason does not have the vision that Fromm has. Fromm also seems to have learned about throwing it into tight windows. I don't remember him trying to force any throws against M. State, which is huge for a young QB. I'm a HUGE Fromm fan, so don't misunderstand what I am saying.

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I think we're on the same page now. I agree that Eason's arm is stronger and Fromm makes better decisions. I've been impressed with how quickly Fromm has improved over the first four games and I'm excited to see him keep it up. I think he's improved faster than Eason did last year, but it's still early. A lot of football left to be played.

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Ridley was vs samford.

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Found it, but I got closer to 43 yards on that pass.
Fromm has a good arm. I am not trying to say his arm is weak, or bad. I only meant that it was not as strong as Eason's, and I think most will agree with that.

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39-40 yards. No need to split that hair.

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You are correct. 1 yard does not make a difference.