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The Heisman should go to McCarron
Posted on 12/12/13 at 11:41 am
Posted on 12/12/13 at 11:41 am
And I'll tell you why. It has nothing to do with Winston and the "trouble" he recently got out of. McCarron has proven he can lead a team in three consecutive years to championships and one of the top 5 teams in the country. He's a great passer, reliable under pressure, and foremost: a leader. Being a leader is one of the most underrated talents of some great QBs. Lets face it, Tebow was a great leader and that alone should land him some sort of role on the field even if it is as a coordinator. I would rather have McCarron than Winston any day.
Unfortunately the awards usually go to the hottest thing now, not over a career.
So saying all that, I think the Heisman goes to Winston but McCarron deserves it.
Unfortunately the awards usually go to the hottest thing now, not over a career.
So saying all that, I think the Heisman goes to Winston but McCarron deserves it.
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Posted on 12/12/13 at 11:52 am to Charlestondawg
I would agree. Given the right offense, he would've put up some ridiculous stats. He just happens to play for a team that had Ingram, Richardson, Lacy and Yeldon during his career.
Posted on 12/12/13 at 11:57 am to Charlestondawg
Winston is the best player in cfb this year and this year is all that really matters. It's an annual award, not a career achievement.
Posted on 12/12/13 at 11:57 am to Charlestondawg
I'd give it to the NIU guy first. He put up some ridiculous stats. I feel like you could slide Murray in with McCarron and you'd get the same results.
Posted on 12/12/13 at 12:00 pm to Charlestondawg
I think they should do away with the Heisman trophy..winner is usually a popularity contest (last year's manti teo as an ex)..never reflects who is really the best player and most winners disappear in the NFL are are never heard from nor seen again.
ps..was not implying Teo won, but the fact he was even considered shows most folks in the sports media don't know s**t from shinola..
ps..was not implying Teo won, but the fact he was even considered shows most folks in the sports media don't know s**t from shinola..
Posted on 12/12/13 at 12:04 pm to Sanford&MunSon
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Winston is the best player in cfb this year and this year is all that really matters. It's an annual award, not a career achievement.
This
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I would rather have McCarron than Winston any day.
Not a chance in hell for me. And this isn't something I just realized, I have been excited to see this kid play since he went to FSU and then I saw his spring game and knew he'd be great. And he has been unreal.
Idk why you don't want to give the kid credit, I'd trade several of our players for him in a new york minute.
Posted on 12/12/13 at 12:09 pm to Damn Good Dawg
Because he is reliable year in year out. I understand that the award goes to the player hottest that year but come on... the guy has 2 nattys. Winston has zero. And no, I didn't think Manziel should've won either although this year proves he is a great QB and deserves to be on the list. And just because Oregon lost 2 games doesn't necessarily mean their QB should be taken off the list imo
Posted on 12/12/13 at 12:17 pm to Charlestondawg
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Winston has zero.
That will change shortly. We can probably revisit this thread again in two years and be able to say he has AT LEAST two (assuming he doesn't leave early, which he likely will....and STILL may have two).
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I didn't think Manziel should've won either although this year proves he is a great QB and deserves to be on the list.
If we were to look objectively at stats, and only stats, Manziel would be the clear winner.....even against Winston. The losses took him out of legitimate consideration, but, as much as I dislike the kid and his attitude, he still had some ridiculous numbers this year. In fact, he's better in every category this year than he was last year (although he threw four more interceptions). And 33 passing TDs PLUS 21 rushing? Nuts.
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Posted on 12/12/13 at 12:39 pm to Charlestondawg
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Because he is reliable year in year out. I understand that the award goes to the player hottest that year but come on... the guy has 2 nattys. Winston has zero. And no, I didn't think Manziel should've won either although this year proves he is a great QB and deserves to be on the list. And just because Oregon lost 2 games doesn't necessarily mean their QB should be taken off the list imo
Ok, are we watching the same sport? 1) Jameis has been a starter not even a year and you're gonna hold his lack of titles to McCarron who is a multi year starter? This is an award based off of one season, not a career achievement award. 2) How in the hell do you not think JFF didn't deserve it last year? Who deserved it more? The kid led the SEC in rushing and was one of the most vaunted passers in the nations best conference. There is literally no argument for any other player last year. 3) Have you even watched Oregon play football this year? Mariota looked awful in any game of merit. You can beat up on the nobodies but one of the biggest factors in the heisman is the amount a team depends on you and how you perform in pressure situations and vs Stanford and Arizona he was dreadful.
I mean, I don't wanna be an arse, but what in the hell are you watching?
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Posted on 12/12/13 at 12:51 pm to Sanford&MunSon
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Winston is the best player in cfb this year and this year is all that really matters. It's an annual award, not a career achievement.
This. End of discussion. Too bad Therapist is going to get it.
Posted on 12/12/13 at 1:04 pm to Charlestondawg
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Charlestondawg
Thank God you don't have a vote
1. Winston
2. JFF
3. Lynch
4. Petty
5. Mason
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Posted on 12/12/13 at 1:14 pm to Charlestondawg
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he can lead a team in three consecutive years
It's not a lifetime achievement award. Is he the BEST player in america THIS year, in 2013?
No, of course not. So he doesn't deserve it.
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Unfortunately the awards usually go to the hottest thing now, not over a career
Yeah, obviously. LIke it's supposed to.
Posted on 12/12/13 at 1:15 pm to Charlestondawg
AJ has been the backbone of the Alabama offense (he really is a "game manager"), but the offense doesn't rely on the QB to win them games. Their OL and RB positions have been the primary threat with a QB who can throw the ball well enough to keep the defense honest.
The difference between AJ and other QBs like JFF and the Winston is that those guys can throw their teams on their backs and carry them to a win. AJ is an important piece of a very balanced and complete offense, but he isn't a game-maker by himself, unlike the others.
The difference between AJ and other QBs like JFF and the Winston is that those guys can throw their teams on their backs and carry them to a win. AJ is an important piece of a very balanced and complete offense, but he isn't a game-maker by himself, unlike the others.
Posted on 12/12/13 at 1:23 pm to FooManChoo
Saban has proven that the QB is basically irrelevant. Mcelroy, JPW, and now Mcarron have all win big. Why? Because they rely on an elite, top 3 defense and a strong running game. The QB is just asked to not frick up too bad.
Mcarron doesn't deserve the Heisman any more than Murray does.
Mcarron doesn't deserve the Heisman any more than Murray does.
Posted on 12/12/13 at 2:07 pm to Charlestondawg
I couldn't disagree more. I think he's a great quarterback but you put a different team around him then he wouldn't get near the recognition he's receiving. All those good things you said about him you can say about a huge number of QB's.
He just does a pretty good job on a very fricking good team. To say he's the most outstanding/valuable/irreplaceable player in college football would mean you're not looking very hard.
He just does a pretty good job on a very fricking good team. To say he's the most outstanding/valuable/irreplaceable player in college football would mean you're not looking very hard.
Posted on 12/12/13 at 2:11 pm to Charlestondawg
FSU lost a first round draft pick at QB and upgraded. Significantly. Let that sink in for a minute before you start up the McCarron for Heisman garbage
Posted on 12/12/13 at 2:11 pm to Charlestondawg
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Posted on 12/12/13 at 2:11 pm to Charlestondawg
are you high off your arse
Posted on 12/12/13 at 2:26 pm to FinleyStreet
Wow ok, so we have a pretty much 100% against my choice of Heisman.
But what you're saying is he doesn't deserve the award then wtf is he even nominated when all of you have already decided Winston is the winner?
This is why the award is so fricked up. You have 1 award worth anything for all the great players in college football... literally thousands of players vying for one award. Forget that only ONE defensive player has ever won. That alone should show there needs to be a Heisman for offense and defense.
Go ahead and tell all the other guys that its already decided. Just sit there and look happy for Winston when he wins. If it's my vote, I'm voting McCarron and some coaches will vote for him too. Now go call those guys idiots.
But what you're saying is he doesn't deserve the award then wtf is he even nominated when all of you have already decided Winston is the winner?
This is why the award is so fricked up. You have 1 award worth anything for all the great players in college football... literally thousands of players vying for one award. Forget that only ONE defensive player has ever won. That alone should show there needs to be a Heisman for offense and defense.
Go ahead and tell all the other guys that its already decided. Just sit there and look happy for Winston when he wins. If it's my vote, I'm voting McCarron and some coaches will vote for him too. Now go call those guys idiots.
Posted on 12/12/13 at 2:40 pm to Charlestondawg
Do we all get a vote? 
I just assumed AJ was "in the running" to honor his achievements at Bama over his career, with the understanding that he really isn't going to get it over others like Winston.
There is a vote, but I'm sure the voters see what most of us have seen. Winston is the one playing for a MNC and he's the one who is an obvious standout on his team with a stellar performance this season. AJ, while a good QB, has not done (by himself) what Winston has done. The other nominees have been standouts, as well.
AJ has suffered (or prospered, depending on the context) from being another cog in the Saban machine. He has been flanked by big names his entire career there, so it is easy for him to get missed or to not be recognized for what he has done. He just isn't a dominant, one-man force in college football like other Heisman winners have been.
I just assumed AJ was "in the running" to honor his achievements at Bama over his career, with the understanding that he really isn't going to get it over others like Winston.
There is a vote, but I'm sure the voters see what most of us have seen. Winston is the one playing for a MNC and he's the one who is an obvious standout on his team with a stellar performance this season. AJ, while a good QB, has not done (by himself) what Winston has done. The other nominees have been standouts, as well.
AJ has suffered (or prospered, depending on the context) from being another cog in the Saban machine. He has been flanked by big names his entire career there, so it is easy for him to get missed or to not be recognized for what he has done. He just isn't a dominant, one-man force in college football like other Heisman winners have been.
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