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Posted on 10/4/17 at 12:55 am to deeprig9
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Here's where you're wrong....
Rig... you're better than this. Or at least I thought you were.
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If we were struggling right now, with Fromm having the exact stats he has right now, it would be an easy call to wish for Eason back to see how much he has improved.
But because we are winning, we are back in a situation similar to Eason vs Lambert last year.
As long as we are winning, and our freshman is servicable, lets keep getting him reps for the future.
Another way I like to think about it, would you rather have Junior Matt Stafford or Junior Aaron Murray?
Stafford clearly had more upside, but in the college game where you don't necessarily have NFL receivers that can catch an 8 yd bullet, I'll take the guy who can put a little touch on the ball. You don't need to make a 70 yd pass if you can consistently hit your 8,14,25 yarders.
You typed an awful lot to not address my point in the slightest...
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It's fine to compare if you want to compare Freshman Eason to Freshman Fromm... I'm not sure what bearing that has on the discussion though... the only thing that should matter right now is Sophomore Eason vs. Freshman Fromm... who makes the offense better right now. I don't know the answer. Nor does anyone on this board.
I didn't at all discuss who *IS* better this season, or who *WILL* make the team/offense better... I'm discussing the fact that we do not have sufficient information to *KNOW* that Fromm is better than Eason for this offense on October 4th of 2017... anything attempting to point to that being the case is simply conjecture, as there isn't enough information to know one way or the other. If you think the 4 passes you've seen Eason throw are sufficient to judge him on, then as I mentioned in the other thread, I should be able to pick any 4 passes of Fromm's to make the same evaluation... ie. the first 4 passes in the UT game.
In no way, shape, or form am I arguing that Eason is or will be better... what we should probably do is find out though. I trust that Kirby will ultimately do what's best for this team... regardless of whether it's what I've recommended or not though. He's paid an awful lot of money to know more about this game than myself... and he's been around the guys in practice which is more than most of us can say.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 6:56 am to fibonaccisquared
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didn't at all discuss who *IS* better this season, or who *WILL* make the team/offense better... I'm discussing the fact that we do not have sufficient information to *KNOW* that Fromm is better than Eason for this offense on October 4th of 2017... anything attempting to point to that being the case is simply conjecture, as there isn't enough information to know one way or the other. If you think the 4 passes you've seen Eason throw are sufficient to judge him on, then as I mentioned in the other thread, I should be able to pick any 4 passes of Fromm's to make the same evaluation... ie. the first 4 passes in the UT game.
Thing is, if Eason was so good, why hasn't he shown more than a measly improvement?
Posted on 10/5/17 at 8:13 am to Spaceman Spiff
The thing is, you missed the point completely. He hasn't had enough playing time to for anyone to determine how much or little he has improved. The only people that know are the coaches. They see him everyday in practice. Kirby also said he has shown big improvement. I think I trust Kirby's evaluation over some idiot on the internet.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 8:48 am to Spaceman Spiff
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Thing is, if Eason was so good, why hasn't he shown more than a measly improvement?
Posted on 10/5/17 at 10:20 am to fibonaccisquared
Really? From the beginning of last season to the end, including bowl and spring, exactly what has improved enough to say he is better than Fromm?
Posted on 10/5/17 at 12:03 pm to Spaceman Spiff
There are literally at least 2 threads worth of commentary that render your question pointless. I have no desire or need to repeat it all if you've failed to comprehend why people are telling you to wait until there is sufficient sample size *IN 2017* to gauge whether Eason has improved at all.
I don't think there is anyone saying "yank Fromm"... it's a matter of confirming whether he is the best option going forward or not.
I don't think there is anyone saying "yank Fromm"... it's a matter of confirming whether he is the best option going forward or not.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 12:04 pm to fibonaccisquared
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There are literally at least 2 threads worth of commentary that render your question pointless. I have no desire or need to repeat it all if you've failed to comprehend why people are telling you to wait until there is sufficient sample size *IN 2017* to gauge whether Eason has improved at all.
I don't think there is anyone saying "yank Fromm"... it's a matter of confirming whether he is the best option going forward or not.
You wasted a perfect opportunity for a Few Good Men quote right there.
They come along so rarely. Can't waste those.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 12:14 pm to deeprig9
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You wasted a perfect opportunity for a Few Good Men quote right there.
They come along so rarely. Can't waste those.
Dammit... good call.
In looking for a good gif, I also recognized that we all missed a good opportunity the last 2 weeks in a row though...
Posted on 10/5/17 at 12:36 pm to Barstools
quote:This has been covered, too. While it's true that overall improvement cannot be measured in the small sample size so far this year, it's concerning that Eason has thrown the ball 4 times and has only been money on one of those. And... these were all short-to-medium passes where accuracy should be easier.
The thing is, you missed the point completely. He hasn't had enough playing time to for anyone to determine how much or little he has improved. The only people that know are the coaches. They see him everyday in practice. Kirby also said he has shown big improvement. I think I trust Kirby's evaluation over some idiot on the internet.
I said it before. Some players have to fight for playing time and when they get it, they have to excel to show that they are capable of more playing time. If Eason can't hit his receivers between the numbers when they are only a few yards out after getting the majority of the reps with the 1st string all all spring, summer, and fall, then that's a problem, even if we're only judging 4 snaps.
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Posted on 10/5/17 at 12:40 pm to fibonaccisquared
There is no hurry to get Eason involved. I expect Kirby to play Eason as soon as we have an insurmountable lead and a fully healthy Eason. When that happens I hope that we all get a chance to make more informed judgements.
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