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re: So Where does Eason transfer to?

Posted on 10/3/17 at 11:19 am to
Posted by FooManChoo
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Posted on 10/3/17 at 11:19 am to
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Ahh, but there in lies the rub. We asked Eason to single handedly win games with his arm last year on a much worse team. That alone made his numbers look substantially lower than they might otherwise while there where many more drops as well. No one is making Godwins catch in the endzone on last years team. Wimms isn't snatching a for sure interception out of a defenders hands for a 30yrd gain.
Fromm has had his share of receivers dropping balls, too, but I think part of why he hasn't had more drops is precisely because he doesn't throw it as hard as Eason. Eason also didn't consistently throw tight spirals, which can certainly impact how receivers judge the trajectory of the ball. That mixed with the ball going so fast just made it more difficult for receivers to catch the ball last season. His throwing mechanics also weren't good last year, which made for less accurate passes that made it even more difficult for receivers to catch the ball given the other two issues listed. You're right that Eason won games with his arm, because his mechanics were terrible and he was literally forcing the ball to his receivers through arm strength alone.

Those issues aside, you're right that we asked Eason to do more through the air than Fromm has been asked to do so far, but that's precisely because the offense was bad last year and it's improved this year. The question about Fromm is whether or not he can make the throws that he needs to make, and I think the answer to that so far has been a resounding "yes". Eason had to throw the ball more, but you would think that would result in faster improvement in throwing the ball. I would argue that his throws at the end of the season weren't that much more improved over the ones at the beginning, in spite of having to throw so much. It's not quantity, but quality, that matters in our offense.

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I found it amusing hearing the announcers label Fromms penchant for throwing to his primary receiver at all costs a "pre-snap read" essentially excusing him for never going through his progressions.
There is truth to what you're saying. Fromm has had several instances of the typical Freshman mistake of staring down receivers that he's determined to throw to. However I think something is different with Fromm. Most of the time, he is staring down the correct receiver and delivers a nice ball to pick up yards. He hasn't forced a lot of balls where they shouldn't be going. That tells me that he does make good pre-snap reads and that he does go through his progressions when his receivers aren't open. He's definitely a work in progress there, but he's definitely made the most of his limited throws each game.

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We don't ask Fromm to do what we asked Eason to do last year and under far worse circumstances. Yet he did rise to the occasion several times. We just can't know what Eason is capable of when surrounded by a decent supporting cast. It certainly could be worse, but it could be incredible.
Maybe, but just like starting Eason over Fromm in the first game, I think it's a matter of going with what we know vs. what we don't know. Fromm could wind up being the best QB we've ever had or he could be a complete bust. We wouldn't know until we gave him a shot (and continue to give him a chance to compete). Likewise with Eason, we don't know how much he's progressed since last year without giving him a chance to show us. The safe bet is to go with the QB that has proven that they can get the job done and move the offense down the field to score points in this offense, and that safe bet right now is Fromm.

Eason did that better than anticipated last season but Fromm is doing that very well so far this season. Do we break up the cohesion and the flow of the offense for the sake of "fairness" in giving Eason a shot to win his spot back? I don't think we should. Let Eason win his spot in practice and with opportunities given to him in the game when we don't need to worry about breaking stride with our current setup, such as in garbage time or after we're up a few scores against a clearly inferior team. Even though Eason has had a very limited amount of times to throw the ball around, he hasn't made those throws like he should have.

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Labeling Fromm the better QB is extreme folly to say the least. Doesn't make it untrue, just a bit of a gamble on limited info.
I don't think we know who the better QB is right now but we know what we had with Eason last year and we know what we have with Fromm this year and in my humble estimation, this year's Fromm has out-performed last year's Eason in terms of consistency and leadership if nothing else. He's given the offense a much needed spark that was clearly visible as soon as he stepped foot on the field for the first time after Eason went down. He's as polished as any true freshman I've seen and he's done what we've asked him to do very well considering.

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Fromm running last years offense throwing as much as Eason is likely a record number of interceptions. He loves the 50/50 balls and sooner or later they fall on the other teams 50 too.
Regarding the interceptions, maybe, but maybe not. Fromm has mostly made very good decisions throwing the ball and his timing has been spot on most of the time. I recall seeing Eason struggle a lot last year overthrowing his receivers and not delivering the ball in time; he frequently held on to the ball too long and missed open windows and had to force the ball where he wanted it. In the few instances where Fromm was not on time with his throws, they could have been picked off or were picked off, but again, his timing has been spectacular considering not getting the lion's share of the throws with the #1's in the off-season.

Those 50/50 balls have been few and far between, but they have also been to receivers that had excellent match-ups with the defenders. Several of them have also been under-thrown where only the receivers could get them. I don't know if they were on purpose or not, but if they were, he's shown himself to be head and shoulders above Eason in terms of his football IQ and QB skills. What Fromm has done has shown trust in his receivers to make plays and so far he's been rewarded for it. I can't fault him for that. It's not like the receivers are just bailing him out of bad situations; they are doing their job and Fromm is benefiting from it by being aggressive enough to take shots down the field.
This post was edited on 10/3/17 at 11:45 am
Posted by fibonaccisquared
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Posted on 10/3/17 at 11:38 am to
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We just can't know what Eason is capable of when surrounded by a decent supporting cast. It certainly could be worse, but it could be incredible. Labeling Fromm the better QB is extreme folly to say the least. Doesn't make it untrue, just a bit of a gamble on limited info.

Mother. Trucking. This...

I don't think anyone in these threads is stating that Eason categorically *is* better at this point... simply that you don't have enough information yet to make the call... It's possible that Eason is indeed a practice maestro who will struggle in games, but we've yet to give him significant meaningful snaps to know one way or the other this season. Assuming he's healthy and practicing well over the next couple of weeks, there is no reason not to allow him into the game assuming the situation allows to find out.
Posted by Jay Gatsby
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2017
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Posted on 10/3/17 at 12:33 pm to
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I don't think we know who the better QB is right now but we know what we had with Eason last year and we know what we have with Fromm this year and in my humble estimation, this year's Fromm has out-performed last year's Eason in terms of consistency and leadership if nothing else. He's given the offense a much needed spark that was clearly visible as soon as he stepped foot on the field for the first time after Eason went down. He's as polished as any true freshman I've seen and he's done what we've asked him to do very well considering.


I understand what you are saying but... the difference between last years 3-2 Eason Team and this years 5-0 Fromm team is a defense that gave up 45pts to MState last year and 3 this year and a defense that gave up 34pts to Tenn last year and 0 this year. Neither of those things involve the QB position. So we can assume with this years defense and last years QB we would be in EXACTLY the same place we are now.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
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Posted on 10/3/17 at 12:54 pm to
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45pts to MState last year and 3 this year

I get where you're going, but it was Ole Miss on the road last year (before they lost their starting QB) and Miss St at home this year... additionally, this is a Tenn team that is struggling offensively without Dobbs...

But the point still stands... the 2017 iteration of our team is not reflective of what Eason had to play with. There was no "rely on the defense" or "just hand it to the RBs" option allowed... oh and our Special teams wasn't great last year either... we are categorically better in *EVERY* phase of the game, and very little of that has to do explicitly with the QB. Even if I credit the OL improvement and RB production to Eason, it doesn't change that ST/Def play is lightyears improved.
Posted by Jay Gatsby
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2017
28 posts
Posted on 10/3/17 at 12:56 pm to
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but it was Ole Miss on the road last year (before they lost their starting QB) and Miss St at home this year.


Yep, blew that one. my bad
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32840 posts
Posted on 10/3/17 at 1:02 pm to
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defense that gave up 34pts to Tenn last year and 0 this year. Neither of those things involve the QB position.


You forgetting the vols score on Eason's fumble?

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So we can assume with this years defense and last years QB we would be in EXACTLY the same place we are now.


Likely but ND could have been a loss.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32840 posts
Posted on 10/3/17 at 1:13 pm to
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We have the worst passing offense in the SEC


You lost all cred with this statement
Posted by fibonaccisquared
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Posted on 10/3/17 at 1:18 pm to
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You forgetting the vols score on Eason's fumble?


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Likely but ND could have been a loss.


You mean the same game where Fromm had a pick and a fumble lost? He's making the same kind of mistakes and is being asked to do less... He's a very competent freshman... but a freshman nonetheless.

Fromm ended ND with 16/29 - 141 yards - 1 TD/1 INT/1 FUM - QBR 13.2

Eason's absolute worst performance last year:
Ole Miss

16/36 - 137 yards - 0 TD/1 INT/1 FUM - QBR 5.1

That's the worst I may have ever seen a UGA team... not just Eason, but the entire team. Playing on the road against a team with their back in the corner.

I'd say those two stat lines are reasonably similar... one of the QBs had the benefit of what was close to a neutral site game and a team around him performing at a significantly higher level.

Is it possible that we lose ND with Eason? Absolutely. Hell, it was possible we lost it with Fromm... We damn sure didn't win it because of him.
Posted by Jay Gatsby
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2017
28 posts
Posted on 10/3/17 at 1:25 pm to
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You lost all cred with this statement


True statement cited in many articles on the subject. You would lose credibility for not knowing that. Sorry, you started it. look it up
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32840 posts
Posted on 10/3/17 at 1:25 pm to
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possible that we lose ND with Eason? Absolutely. Hell, it was possible we lost it with Fromm... We damn sure didn't win it because of him.


That damn sure wasn't the point I was making. Eason could have had a similar stat line but simply never make that throw to wims to set up the game winner. One play like that can determine the winner and loser.
Posted by Whiznot
Albany, GA
Member since Oct 2013
7001 posts
Posted on 10/3/17 at 1:37 pm to
Gatsby, you are the biggest idiot who ever posted on GSB. Yardage is not the best measure of a passing game. What counts is completion percentage, TDs and turnovers. We have a decent passing game which should be better if there were not so many drops.

I have a hard time believing that you aren't a pissed off Notre Dame fan. Get over it. Your team lost.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32840 posts
Posted on 10/3/17 at 1:44 pm to
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True statement cited in many articles on the subject. You would lose credibility for not knowing that. Sorry, you started it. look it up


"Worst" is a measure of quality. It's a word that implies "bad" and our passing game with Fromm has been much better than "bad". If an article doesn't know that, just as you don't, then it also lacks cred.
This post was edited on 10/3/17 at 1:48 pm
Posted by Jay Gatsby
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2017
28 posts
Posted on 10/3/17 at 1:45 pm to
...and we have Whiznot projecting again.

The facts are we don't put that on Fromm like we did Eason. Eason had 300yd games by this point. If you sort it by completion percentage we are 11th out of 14.

You sir are a tool
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32840 posts
Posted on 10/3/17 at 1:46 pm to
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you sort it by completion percentage we are 11th out of 14.


Including Eason's and Ramsey's and swifts throws to make a point about Fromm? Thats about as dumb as it gets.
Posted by Jay Gatsby
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2017
28 posts
Posted on 10/3/17 at 1:48 pm to
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Including Eason's





He has 4 pass attempts this season
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32840 posts
Posted on 10/3/17 at 1:49 pm to
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Including Eason's


He has 4 pass attempts this season


Which lowers our team completion %. How many has ramsey had?
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
59746 posts
Posted on 10/3/17 at 1:51 pm to
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How many has ramsey had?


Is Ramsey's completion % limited to UGA players catching the pass, or do the ones the other team caught count, too?
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63928 posts
Posted on 10/3/17 at 1:53 pm to
I prefer looking at YPA.

This is what Murray excelled at, even when the typical stats didn't always stack up that great.

Right now, Fromm is 5th in the SEC and tied at 22nd in the country for YPA.

The only issue is he has a smaller sample size than most of the other QB's, as we just haven't throw it as much this season.

So, he could be a little better than this or a little worse.

Additionally... at a glance.... he appears to be the only true freshman in the top 25 of these QB's. But I cold be wrong... the list doesn't make a distinction on redshirt or true freshman.

Posted by Jay Gatsby
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2017
28 posts
Posted on 10/3/17 at 1:56 pm to
Fromm 84
Eason 4
Ramsey 4
Swift 1

and both Eason and Ramsey completed one so its not all negative impact, well technically Ramsey completed 3

Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63928 posts
Posted on 10/3/17 at 2:03 pm to
Fromm 2017
8.7 YPA and 59.5% completion and a 4-1 TD/INT ratio


Eason 2016
6.6 YPA and 55.1% completion and a 2-1 TD/INT ratio



The sample size gap is shrinking with each week. Fromm could have 100 passes by Saturday afternoon.
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