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re: So Where does Eason transfer to?
Posted on 10/3/17 at 2:10 pm to deeprig9
Posted on 10/3/17 at 2:10 pm to deeprig9
Except one glaring difference everyone keeps ignoring... Eason had 151 pass attempts thru 5 games
Fromm has 84 pass attempts thru 5 games
Eason was asked to do twice as much with a substantially worse team. It's not comparable if you are being remotely fair about it
Of course his stats would suffer as a result
Fromm has 84 pass attempts thru 5 games
Eason was asked to do twice as much with a substantially worse team. It's not comparable if you are being remotely fair about it
Of course his stats would suffer as a result
This post was edited on 10/3/17 at 2:12 pm
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Posted on 10/3/17 at 2:13 pm to Jay Gatsby
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Fromm 84
Eason 4
Ramsey 4
Swift 1
and both Eason and Ramsey completed one so its not all negative impact, well technically Ramsey completed 3
Fromm is 5th in the stat by himself.
Uga is 11th with the other qbs.
So it's quite the negative impact. Try not be make such a dumb point next time.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 2:14 pm to Jay Gatsby
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Eason was asked to do twice as much with a substantially worse team. It's not comparable if you are being remotely fair about it
Eason had McKenzie... shovel pass for 61 yards was a 1 yarder for Eason, but pads his stats for another 60 yards.
Fromm hasn't had that.
They both had Terry Godwin. They both had Nauta and Blazevich.
Yes, Eason had some great moments last year. I think he is a good quarterback.
But the gap isn't as wide now... there is quite a sample size to compare now.
It's becoming less and less inappropriate to compare them as every week goes by.
Our defense this year is really the only advantage Fromm has had that Eason didn't.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 2:18 pm to Jay Gatsby
quote:Not necessarily a valid assumption. Our game plan changed with Fromm coming in. We haven't had to throw the ball as much because our running game has been on point this season after struggling a lot last year. Fromm hasn't had to throw the ball 30 or 40 times a game so we don't know if we could rely on his arm like we had to with Eason last year. Likewise, we don't know if the play calling would be different this year with Eason. If we air it out more, perhaps we turn it over more or we have more incompletions and drive-stoppers. Our RBs have been handed so far this year so there has been a lesser likelihood of turning the ball over than by throwing more with Fromm (or Eason, in this for-instance).
I understand what you are saying but... the difference between last years 3-2 Eason Team and this years 5-0 Fromm team is a defense that gave up 45pts to MState last year and 3 this year and a defense that gave up 34pts to Tenn last year and 0 this year. Neither of those things involve the QB position. So we can assume with this years defense and last years QB we would be in EXACTLY the same place we are now.
Like I said before, we only know what we've seen, not what we haven't seen. Regardless of the circumstances Fromm has found himself in, he has performed better than I think most people have expected. He's been very accurate and has made good decisions with the smaller number of throws he's made compared to Eason last year. He's passed the eye test with flying colors and has helped, not hurt, our chances of winning each game so far. Whether Eason would have done the same or better is just a guessing game.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 2:22 pm to djsdawg
Dude Just stop.. you would have to factor in every attempt not made by the starters of the other teams too so it would likely make a very small difference and could potentially hurt your argument. 
Posted on 10/3/17 at 2:26 pm to Jay Gatsby
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Dude Just stop.. you would have to factor in every attempt not made by the starters of the other teams too so it would likely make a very small difference and could potentially hurt your argument.
Why? No reason to include every qb on every team. We are comparing individuals.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 2:26 pm to FooManChoo
I can respect your argument but the fact is we only had to score more than 3pts one game and 0pts in the other. I'm gonna go with we would've done that running the Wild Dawg all day in both games.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 2:29 pm to Jay Gatsby
I think his point is that comparing team stats for completion percentage doesn't help the argument when talking Fromm vs. Eason. We should be looking at Fromm's individual completion percentage and comparing him to other QBs if that's the stat you want to go with.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 2:29 pm to djsdawg
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Why?
because you said it moves him from 11th to 5th.. that's without adjusting the rest of the league by the same factor. he may actually be 12th at that point. you can't do it like that is all. Every factor must be applied equally to all or your stats are not valid
Posted on 10/3/17 at 2:34 pm to FooManChoo
Nah, this is referencing a comment I made earlier about our passing offense being last in the league in yards, 11th in completion percentage ect. He said if you take out our other players pass attempts we move up to 5th, but you would also have to do that for every other team in the league as well to make that statement relevant.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 2:46 pm to Jay Gatsby
Gatsby is owning yall.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 2:56 pm to Jay Gatsby
quote:Defenses benefit from offenses that dominate the TOP, which we have two of the last three games. If we pass more, we probably have more incompletions leaving more time on the clock, or we have quicker scores causing the defense to come back on the field faster. There are a lot of nuances that go into these discussions that we can't ignore by just substituting the QB.
I can respect your argument but the fact is we only had to score more than 3pts one game and 0pts in the other. I'm gonna go with we would've done that running the Wild Dawg all day in both games.
This post was edited on 10/3/17 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 10/3/17 at 2:59 pm to FooManChoo
Great point Foo.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 3:01 pm to Jay Gatsby
quote:I agree with you there, I just think that looking at team passing stats is not a good measure of the quality of your QB for many reasons, including what was said before about other people throwing the ball. There's also the differences in offensive schemes to consider. We run the ball. A lot. It's tough to compare a QB in a run-first offense to a QB in a pass-first offense. You have to look at averages rather than raw totals.
Nah, this is referencing a comment I made earlier about our passing offense being last in the league in yards, 11th in completion percentage ect. He said if you take out our other players pass attempts we move up to 5th, but you would also have to do that for every other team in the league as well to make that statement relevant.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 3:04 pm to FooManChoo
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Defenses benefit from offenses that dominate the TOP, which we have two of the last three games. If we pass more, we probably have more incompletions leaving more time on the board, or we have quicker scores causing the defense to come back on the field faster.
Yeah, not thinking we are throwing much out of the Wild dawg. We would've won both games easily. Even with Mecole or Sonny playing QB. This team is just way better than it was last year.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 3:14 pm to djsdawg
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That damn sure wasn't the point I was making. Eason could have had a similar stat line but simply never make that throw to wims to set up the game winner. One play like that can determine the winner and loser.
Fromm maybe can't make the 4th down throw against Mizzou on the road to win the game... I mean shite if we're gonna play hypotheticals...
I think Fromm has actually QB'd a little better than his numbers much like I think Eason did the same last year... the difference is categorically what the team is doing around him. Eason had to throw 2x as often with a worse offensive line, ineffective playcalling, and running backs that were generally first contacted behind the LOS.
Wims has been in the program a year longer and is more consistent. Hardman is becoming a threat (even if he has bricks for hands right now). Our offensive line isn't getting their shite pushed in now, so our stable of running backs are now imposing their will.
Nothing says Eason *will* be better, but this idea that Fromm has some magic ability that Eason doesn't possess is ridiculous. You're comparing freshman Fromm to freshman Eason when their situations aren't the same... When Eason operated out of the spread set last season he was more effective to, but in the only situations we've seen him in thus far that mattered (not counting the lone attempt in garbage time last week) Chaney had him in a traditional set in the first game of the season. Limited information = inconclusive. Anyone trying to provide analysis based on what they "think" is actually projecting based on what they "feel". It's ok... just own that you have an emotional connection/attachment to Fromm and you like him better. There's nothing wrong with that either... but the facts don't support the conclusion yet because there's not enough to draw on.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 3:16 pm to Jay Gatsby
quote:This goes back to the nuance I was talking about. Exclusively running the ball can be bad, as well. Passing, even only when needed, helps our run game and helps extend drives which gives our defense time to rest for the next series.
Yeah, not thinking we are throwing much out of the Wild dawg. We would've won both games easily. Even with Mecole or Sonny playing QB. This team is just way better than it was last year.
Were you around in the first few games when we kept running the wild dawg and people were saying, "If I see that formation one more time..."? We were being stuffed left, right, and up the middle most of the times we ran that play. If we ran it exclusively, I highly doubt we stay on the field as much as we do and therefore our defense isn't as rested and they make more mistakes and give up more points, blowing up the "all else being equal" argument.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 3:24 pm to deeprig9
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Eason had McKenzie... shovel pass for 61 yards was a 1 yarder for Eason, but pads his stats for another 60 yards.
Fromm hasn't had that.
They both had Terry Godwin. They both had Nauta and Blazevich.
Yes, Eason had some great moments last year. I think he is a good quarterback.
But the gap isn't as wide now... there is quite a sample size to compare now.
It's becoming less and less inappropriate to compare them as every week goes by.
Our defense this year is really the only advantage Fromm has had that Eason didn't.
It's fine to compare if you want to compare Freshman Eason to Freshman Fromm... I'm not sure what bearing that has on the discussion though... the only thing that should matter right now is Sophomore Eason vs. Freshman Fromm... who makes the offense better right now. I don't know the answer. Nor does anyone on this board. Until we see Eason taking some meaningful snaps (hopefully in this and the next game at some point), we really won't have any ability to assess as fans. Coaches can see what happens in practice, but ultimately it's still practice.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 4:05 pm to Jay Gatsby
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because you said it moves him from 11th to 5th.. that's without adjusting the rest of the league by the same factor. he may actually be 12th at that point. you can't do it like that is all. Every factor must be applied equally to all or your stats are not valid
No reason to include every qb on every team when We are comparing individuals. That's the only factor that matters. How good the 2nd string qbs are is a totally irrelevant factor.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 5:53 pm to fibonaccisquared
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It's fine to compare if you want to compare Freshman Eason to Freshman Fromm... I'm not sure what bearing that has on the discussion though... the only thing that should matter right now is Sophomore Eason vs. Freshman Fromm... who makes the offense better right now. I don't know the answer. Nor does anyone on this board.
Here's where you're wrong....
If we were struggling right now, with Fromm having the exact stats he has right now, it would be an easy call to wish for Eason back to see how much he has improved.
But because we are winning, we are back in a situation similar to Eason vs Lambert last year.
As long as we are winning, and our freshman is servicable, lets keep getting him reps for the future.
Another way I like to think about it, would you rather have Junior Matt Stafford or Junior Aaron Murray?
Stafford clearly had more upside, but in the college game where you don't necessarily have NFL receivers that can catch an 8 yd bullet, I'll take the guy who can put a little touch on the ball. You don't need to make a 70 yd pass if you can consistently hit your 8,14,25 yarders.
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