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Posted on 10/20/16 at 7:41 am to DawgsLife
Posted on 10/20/16 at 7:41 am to DawgsLife
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You might disagree, but if Dabo had the same talent Alabama and Ohio State has, they might win several National Championships....just based on where their program is right now. Alabama and Ohio State have great coaches...but they also have great talent. Clemson, not so much.
I do disagree. Watson makes up for a lot of talent differential. Swinney is a good coach, but not better than Meyer or Saban.
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They have a lot of talent, but not in the same conversation as Alabama and Ohio State. yet, Clemson gave Alabama all they could handle last year. Had Alabama not done something completely out of character (The onside kick) Clemson might have beaten them.
They have Deshaun Watson.
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Coaching? Dabo recruited Watson, we did not. Dabo has been able to keep those seniors on campus, we have not. He has managed to develop the talent, we have not. Maybe Smart can with some time. I hope so.
Our class of 2013 was never particularly talented, and the most talented guys were frickups, basically without exception. It also included over 30 signees, so it's taken up way too much of our roster.
None of those things apply to their senior group. Theirs was a small group so ranked about the same as ours overall, but most contributed early and have continued to throughout their careers.
IMO, most college coaches at this level can reasonably develop players. They wouldn't get to this point if that weren't the case. For example, Muschamp failed at UF, but his defensive players tore it up and continue to. Muschamp's mistake was in hiring an OC that he didn't trust.
The difference with the Meyers and Sabans of the world, imo, isn't the ability to get guys motivated, teaching technique, or x's and o's. Most college staffs can do that. It's about getting players and running the program with high expectations. Time will tell on Smart.
This post was edited on 10/20/16 at 7:47 am
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Posted on 10/20/16 at 7:43 am to GurleyGirl
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Georgia needs to get away from being pro QB U and focus on getting the best athlete at the QB position which has made a huge difference in the offenses at Clemson, Tennessee and Alabama just to name a few.
This is extremely overrated imo. Alabama has been running off national championships with statues and game managers at QB. Just get the best player you can, no matter whether he's pro-style or dual threat.
Posted on 10/20/16 at 8:05 am to Crowknowsbest
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I do disagree. Watson makes up for a lot of talent differential. Swinney is a good coach, but not better than Meyer or Saban.
Based upon what? Sinney does as much with a LOT less talent. there have been some absolutely GREAT QB's that have no won national Championships...or even played for one. Clemson is a lot more than just Watson. Alabama and Ohio State are 3 deep with 4 and 5 star talent. We have out recruited Clemson every single year, yet they are on the same level as Alabama and Ohio State. (Right now)
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They have Deshaun Watson.
Stanford had Andrew Luck and didn't play for the National Championship. I understand that QB is a key position, but they are not on the same planet at almost any other position. And depth wise? Nope.
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Our class of 2013 was never particularly talented, and the most talented guys were frickups, basically without exception. It also included over 30 signees, so it's taken up way too much of our roster.
Agreed.
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None of those things apply to their senior group. Theirs was a small group so ranked about the same as ours overall, but most contributed early and have continued to throughout their careers.
Agreed again.
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IMO, most college coaches at this level can reasonably develop players. They wouldn't get to this point if that weren't the case. For example, Muschamp failed at UF, but his defensive players tore it up and continue to. Muschamp's mistake was in hiring an OC that he didn't trust.
Still no argument.
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The difference with the Meyers and Sabans of the world, imo, isn't the ability to get guys motivated, teaching technique, or x's and o's. Most college staffs can do that. It's about getting players and running the program with high expectations. Time will tell on Smart.
You are changing the point of what iam talking about. I am not slamming Smart, at all. All I said is that Dabo is a very good coach. He has rarely had a top 10 recruiting class, and yet he played for the National Championship last year, and will probably play for one again...or at least be in the playoffs. If you don't have the facilities, the fan base, the talent, the tradition, the money of the best two programs in college football, but you are getting the same on field results, what do you attribute it to? 1 player?
I realize Clemson won't be on the same level when Watson leaves, probably, next year....but they will still be better than their recruiting should allow.
Posted on 10/20/16 at 8:09 am to Crowknowsbest
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This is extremely overrated imo. Alabama has been running off national championships with statues and game managers at QB. Just get the best player you can, no matter whether he's pro-style or dual threat.
Exactly. There are plenty of Dual Threats playing for teams that are not doing well. We just see the Deshaun Watsons and the Lamar Jacksons and get enamored with them because they are exciting...yes, and they are very good. Give me AJ McCarron and a National Championship every day of the week.
However, i think what Gurley Gurl is alluding to, is maybe we need to go for a Watson or Jackson to elevate us, since we don't have the talent that Alabama has. Hopefully, Smart will elevate all of our talent.
Posted on 10/20/16 at 8:10 am to DawgsLife
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Based upon what? Sinney does as much with a LOT less talent. there have been some absolutely GREAT QB's that have no won national Championships...or even played for one.
Clemson is closer than you think on the talent part, at least on the field. Maybe Dabo's genius is evaluation. That's speculation on my part. The NFL is all over their guys.
He also hasn't done as much as Meyer and Saban have, but that's beside the point.
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Stanford had Andrew Luck and didn't play for the National Championship.
Those Stanford teams don't compare with Clemson, talent-wise. Luck was there relatively early in their run.
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I realize Clemson won't be on the same level when Watson leaves, probably, next year....but they will still be better than their recruiting should allow.
I think they'll likely fall back to about where their recruiting is, but we'll see.
Posted on 10/20/16 at 8:13 am to DawgsLife
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However, i think what Gurley Gurl is alluding to, is maybe we need to go for a Watson or Jackson to elevate us
We actually went after both, just too late.
Posted on 10/20/16 at 8:17 am to Crowknowsbest
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Maybe Dabo's genius is evaluation. That's speculation on my part. The NFL is all over their guys.
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Maybe Dabo's genius is evaluation. That's speculation on my part. The NFL is all over their guys.
That's reasonable.
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He also hasn't done as much as Meyer and Saban have, but that's beside the point.
While true, there is a big drop off from #1 or #2 class in the country and the #12 class.(Again not aimed at Samrt, only at arguments being mad)If depth is our problem, why isn't it Clemson's? I know we have losy almost an entire class, but they have 2 and 3* players as backups while Alabama and Ohio State has 4 and 5* players.
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Those Stanford teams don't compare with Clemson, talent-wise. Luck was there relatively early in their run.
That's my whole point. A QB cannot elevate the team but so much. Clemson hasn't recruited anywhere near the other two teams.
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I think they'll likely fall back to about where their recruiting is, but we'll see.
What might hurt our argument is they have another highly recruited QB coming in behind Watson.
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