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re: Scout Article on Kirby - Good Read
Posted on 10/18/16 at 4:01 pm to DawgsLife
Posted on 10/18/16 at 4:01 pm to DawgsLife
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A 3-3 Ole Miss team trucked us
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Yes. This year is worse SO FAR, than 2010.
I'm going to keep harping on this because it's really fricking important that you understand
Year 1 for a 1st year head coach is not equivalent to year 9 or 10.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 4:02 pm to gatorhata9
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The two are interchangeable. If you're relevant in the SEC, you're relevant nationally.
But they have very different connotations. for instance..is Michigan relevant?
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He clearly wasn't lucky. He caught a lot of bad breaks. But the program had clearly taken a downturn the last several years.
Absolutely, and it was time for him to move on.
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No way to know that. 2010 ring a bell?
See my post about that just above.
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Who in the frick is saying he's perfect? Most people are perfectly pissed at the way the team has played. But they also realize that he's a first year head coach and it is going to take some time.
Nobody said he is perfect. But just because I called him on clock management, I was told to shut up...I should go become a Tennessee fan...I knew nothing about football...and i could go on and on. If people are mad, then why can't they say one bad thing about him, instead of calling those who do traitors, etc? Or they keep deflecting and putting it on Richt.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 4:03 pm to gatorhata9
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I'm going to keep harping on this because it's really fricking important that you understand
Year 1 for a 1st year head coach is not equivalent to year 9 or 10.
I didn't bring up 2010.
Richt deserved to be called out for 2010.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 4:04 pm to DawgsLife
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But they have very different connotations. for instance..is Michigan relevant?
It's Michigan. They were relevant even when RichRod and Hoke were driving them into the ground.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 4:04 pm to gatorhata9
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I hate to keep harping on Richt, and I'm not one to keep bringing him up, but the problem was even when he had the program built as much as he possibly could, we were only serious NC contenders once in his tenure (2012).
Exactly. If people want to compare their first seasons as coaches, fine. But to compare Kirby in year 1 to Richt in year 10 is so fricking dishonest.
Are we forgetting 2002? We finished Top 5 in the country 3 times.
This post was edited on 10/18/16 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 10/18/16 at 4:06 pm to DawgsLife
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Are we forgetting 2002?
At no point in 2002 did Georgia control their own national title destiny. Miami and OSU were ranked higher all season and neither of them lost. Even if Edwards catches the pass against UF and we win and go undefeated, we still would have played FSU in the Sugar Bowl. Remember, the SEC didn't get nearly the respect nationally then as it has since 2006.
This post was edited on 10/18/16 at 4:09 pm
Posted on 10/18/16 at 4:11 pm to VADawg
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It's Michigan. They were relevant even when RichRod and Hoke were driving them into the ground.
I know.....but they haven't won their conference in quite awhile. (11 years, actually. Longer than Georgia) I really don't have a beef with you. I just get tired of all the "Cupboard is bare" and garbage like that.
I also don't have a huge problem with Smart and think he will be fine. When I see unfair criticism leveled at anybody I say something. But I also have no problem pointing out shortcomings.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 4:14 pm to DawgsLife
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I know.....but they haven't won their conference in quite awhile.
2004 for them.
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I just get tired of all the "Cupboard is bare" and garbage like that.
It's not bare, but there is a glaring lack of talent on the OL.
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I really don't have a beef with you
Back at you.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 4:14 pm to VADawg
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At no point in 2002 did Georgia control their own national title destiny.
We contended, though. I mean...what do you mean by contend? Do you mean you have to be in control. Or that you have to actually play for it? We were a top 5 team. That is a contender. For me that means someone that has a chance to win it. Crap we have 4 teams playing in the playoffs now and some people want to expand to 8. I assume that means 8 teams could contend or why put them in the playoffs?
Posted on 10/18/16 at 4:15 pm to VADawg
Thanks for talking and keeping it civil! I hope I didn't aggravate you TOO much!
Wifey says it's time to eat.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 4:17 pm to DawgsLife
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Do you mean you have to be in control. Or that you have to actually play for it? We were a top 5 team. That is a contender.
To me, a national title contender is someone who has the puck on their stick in November/December. Going into the GT game with a real shot at the national title qualifies for me.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 4:45 pm to DawgsLife
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I didn't bring up 2010.
You did when you implied that Richt has never had a season this bad. 2010 was very bad and was also in the 9th year of his career at UGA.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 4:59 pm to DawgsLife
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Yet you are agreeing that Richt kept us barely relevant?
Richt definitely kept UGA relevant in the first half of his tenure; less so in his 2nd half. 11 years is a long time for Georgia to go without a SECC considering the wealth of talent that comes out of our state. What changed? Mainly the competition got tougher and we didn't; mainly Myer and Saban happened.
This post was edited on 10/18/16 at 6:23 pm
Posted on 10/18/16 at 5:00 pm to gatorhata9
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You did when you implied that Richt has never had a season this bad. 2010 was very bad and was also in the 9th year of his career at UGA.
So, it would have been better for me to say that Richt had MUCH better seasons the first year he was here? I said he never had this bad of a year. Somebody else made the argument that the year he went 6-7 was worse, and it happened to be 2010. If they had chosen thye could have said you are right, his first 2-3 years were better. I mean, I understand YOUR point....but I made the statement that Richt never had this bad of a year. There was nothing wrong with making that statement. (In my opinion)
Posted on 10/18/16 at 5:02 pm to GurleyGirl
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Richt definitely kept UGA relevant in the first half of his tenure; less so in his 2nd half.
I can agree with this.
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11 years is a long time for Georgia go without a SECC considering the wealth of talent that comes out of our state.
I'm confused. Do we have talent on the team, or not?
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What changed? Mainly the competition got tougher and we didn't; mainly Myer and Saban happened.
They made a lot of teams irrelevant, then.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 5:08 pm to DawgsLife
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So, it would have been better for me to say that Richt had MUCH better seasons the first year he was here?
Yes, that would be a fair comparison. This season isn't over yet but you compare each coach in his first year.
You can also make an argument that Donnan left Richt the keys to a Mercedes and Richt left Smart the keys to a 2016 Camry.
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but I made the statement that Richt never had this bad of a year
And there is still a lot of football to be played. So you should probably wait until all the games are played to make that call.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 5:10 pm to VADawg
Going into the GT game we were #6. We ended #2
In 2007, LSU was thought to be done. In the last weekend of the season something like 3 teams ranked ahead of them got beat and it put them in the National Championship game. Going into the SECCG, they were ranked #5. By your reasoning, LSU was not a contender. They did not have control of their destiny, and entering their last game a miracle had to happen for them to make it to the Championship game, which, they won. Were they contenders?
In 2007, LSU was thought to be done. In the last weekend of the season something like 3 teams ranked ahead of them got beat and it put them in the National Championship game. Going into the SECCG, they were ranked #5. By your reasoning, LSU was not a contender. They did not have control of their destiny, and entering their last game a miracle had to happen for them to make it to the Championship game, which, they won. Were they contenders?
Posted on 10/18/16 at 5:16 pm to gatorhata9
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Yes, that would be a fair comparison. This season isn't over yet but you compare each coach in his first year.
Ok. As long as you are consistent. So, it would NOT be ok for me to say that Richt never had a season this bad?
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And there is still a lot of football to be played. So you should probably wait until all the games are played to make that call.
True. But on at least one occasion I prefaced it with 'So far". And we have got to absolutely turn this thing around HUGE for this to not be worse. Nicolls and Vanderbilt pretty much dug a hole!
I'll tell you, like I told VA. Thanks for keeping it civil. You, WG, and Crow I will talk to and argue with any time and have a great time. Y'all don't bring emotion into it...just common sense and reasoning. I learn more form you guys than anybody else on the board and have nothing but respect for all three of you. I'm sure I frustrate and aggravate you guys sometimes with my stubborness, but I appreciate the back and forth and information I get from you.
Seriously. I really do appreciate it.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 5:25 pm to VADawg
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At no point in 2002 did Georgia control their own national title destiny.
that's not exactly true. HEading into jax we were ranked ahead of OSU in the AP (despite them actually having played 1 more game than us at the time) and were a paltry 11 votes ahead of us in the coaches. Let's also remember that after halftime of Auburn we were unstoppable, while OSU continued to scrape by against crappy teams like purdue (4th down TD pass with under 2 minutes left to take the lead) and illinois (won in 2OT due to a questionable non-PI call). If we went undefeated in 02, we were playing for hte title.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 5:33 pm to WG_Dawg
Was 02 the year Greene was something like 12 for 12 and Richt inserted Shockley who promptly threw a pick 6. Talking about a boneheaded coaching move, that was one.
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