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Posted on 10/18/16 at 2:07 pm to Hullabaloo
Posted on 10/18/16 at 2:07 pm to Hullabaloo
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Smith’s answer: “That’s just the thing… its exactly the same. We are doing exactly what we did at Alabama.”
Wow! So its that easy?Had no idea.
So we just duplicate Alabama?Since this coach obvoiusly doesn't want the team
or the program to have an identity of its own,why don't we just call UGA the
Crimson Tide and adopt their colors?
Man;I'm soooo excited now!!!!!
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Posted on 10/18/16 at 2:26 pm to RD Dawg
To be fair, is it surprising Kirby is trying to do what he saw/learned at Alabama?
What we were doing wasn't working (for the results that we want, otherwise Richt would still be here) and what Kirby saw there worked.
Obviously there's going to be differences between the two programs and I don't expect him to have near the success Saban has (I doubt any coach will for a long time), but I don't blame him for trying to follow the blueprint that he has personally seen implemented with great success.
What we were doing wasn't working (for the results that we want, otherwise Richt would still be here) and what Kirby saw there worked.
Obviously there's going to be differences between the two programs and I don't expect him to have near the success Saban has (I doubt any coach will for a long time), but I don't blame him for trying to follow the blueprint that he has personally seen implemented with great success.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 2:29 pm to RD Dawg
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So we just duplicate Alabama?Since this coach obvoiusly doesn't want the team
or the program to have an identity of its own,why don't we just call UGA the
Crimson Tide and adopt their colors?
Their identity has worked better than ours.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 2:33 pm to RD Dawg
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So we just duplicate Alabama?
I'm perfectly fine with being Tuscaloosa East.
Sans changing the location, name, mascot, colors, and fight song of course.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 2:57 pm to RD Dawg
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So we just duplicate Alabama?
We can do our best. It's not exactly a bad model.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 3:04 pm to ATLdawg25
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Over Richt's tenure, the program got really good at doing just enough to stay on the fringe of being relevant.
Out of curiosity...what does it take to be relevant, and how many schools are relevant?
Posted on 10/18/16 at 3:10 pm to RD Dawg
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So we just duplicate Alabama?
You know richt just copied FSU in many things that he brought here in 2001 yeah?
Posted on 10/18/16 at 3:16 pm to DawgsLife
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quote:Over Richt's tenure, the program got really good at doing just enough to stay on the fringe of being relevant. Out of curiosity...what does it take to be relevant, and how many schools are relevant?
In the SEC, winning the SECC makes you relevant aka part of the big 6 which we haven't done in 11 years.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 3:21 pm to GurleyGirl
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winning the SECC makes you relevant aka part of the big 6 which we haven't done in 11 years.
Yet despite that, only 2 schools have ever won it more than we have. If we're barely relevant then most of the other programs sure haven't been either.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 3:31 pm to DawgsLife
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Over Richt's tenure, the program got really good at doing just enough to stay on the fringe of being relevant.
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Out of curiosity...what does it take to be relevant, and how many schools are relevant?
Challenging for a division title on a yearly basis, getting to the SECCG every few years and having the "damn if we had only won that one game against opponent X, we could be in the national title hunt if we win the SECCG" type season.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 3:36 pm to GurleyGirl
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In the SEC, winning the SECC makes you relevant aka part of the big 6 which we haven't done in 11 years.
We played for the SECC 5 times and tied with Alabama and LSU for most times playing for it.
Played for SECC
Alabama--5
Georgia--5
LSU--5
Florida--4
Auburn--3
Tennessee--3
Won SEC
Alabama--4
LSU--4
Georgia--2
Auburn--3
Florida--2
Tennessee--0
Yet you are agreeing that Richt kept us barely relevant?
This post was edited on 10/18/16 at 3:41 pm
Posted on 10/18/16 at 3:39 pm to DawgsLife
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Yet you are agreeing that Richt kept us barely relevant?
It's been 11 years since we won the league, and 2012 was the last time we were remotely close to one despite the East sucking since 2013.
Relevant is an opinionated term, but the East has been winnable every year since 2013 and UGA was never close to it. Missouri was pretty good in 2013 but not good in 2014. Florida was not good last year.
This post was edited on 10/18/16 at 3:41 pm
Posted on 10/18/16 at 3:47 pm to VADawg
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It's been 11 years since we won the league, and 2012 was the last time we were remotely close to one despite the East sucking since 2013.
The East still sucks and look what's happening to us.
Seriously. Do you want to be relevant on a national level or only in the SEC? And what does it take, in your opinion to be relevant on a National level. You guys want so badly to paint Mark Richt has lucky or undeserving, yet he never had a season as bad as we are having right now.
I hope I am wrong, but I can easily see us losing 6 and possibly 7 games. Hopefully we can turn this around. And before you start going to find seasons in which we only won 6 games under Richt, you had better take a look at how we are winning, and how we are losing. Nicholls by 2 points?
I will never understand why it is so difficult for some on this board to say, Kirby Smart is not perfect. He makes mistakes. He has been terrible with clock management. The team looks listless and uninspired.
None of these issues are tied to talent.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 3:50 pm to ATLdawg25
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Challenging for a division title on a yearly basis, getting to the SECCG every few years and having the "damn if we had only won that one game against opponent X, we could be in the national title hunt if we win the SECCG" type season.
Dude. Really? We played for the SECC 5 of the 15 years Richt was here. 2012, if we had completed a pass from the 5 yard line would have played for the National Title. And yes, we contended for the east every year. All of your criteria has been checked off, yet you want to say he barely kept us relevant?
I'm speechless. (I'm sure there are a lot of people on here that are breathing a sigh of relief!
This post was edited on 10/18/16 at 3:51 pm
Posted on 10/18/16 at 3:51 pm to DawgsLife
quote:Going 6-7 is better than this?
yet he never had a season as bad as we are having right now.
quote:Why is it so difficult for you to wrap your head around the fact that people are willing to have more patience for a 1st year HC than we were for a HC with 10+ years experience? It's really not a difficult concept to grasp.
I will never understand why it is so difficult for some on this board to say,
Posted on 10/18/16 at 3:52 pm to DawgsLife
quote:Last time I was in BM I didn't see a trophy commemorating this.
if we had completed a pass from the 5 yard line would have played for the National Title.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 3:52 pm to DawgsLife
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And before you start going to find seasons in which we only won 6 games under Richt, you had better take a look at how we are winning, and how we are losing. Nicholls by 2 points?
This has been an ugly season without question. Anyone who expected this team to win the SEC/NC this year is delusional though.
I hate to keep harping on Richt, and I'm not one to keep bringing him up, but the problem was even when he had the program built as much as he possibly could, we were only serious NC contenders once in his tenure (2012).
Kirby wasn't brought in to win right now. He was brought in to make this team a consistent national title contender and that isn't some quick fix that can be done overnight.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 3:55 pm to DawgsLife
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Seriously. Do you want to be relevant on a national level or only in the SEC?
The two are interchangeable. If you're relevant in the SEC, you're relevant nationally.
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You guys want so badly to paint Mark Richt has lucky or undeserving
He clearly wasn't lucky. He caught a lot of bad breaks. But the program had clearly taken a downturn the last several years.
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yet he never had a season as bad as we are having right now.
No way to know that. 2010 ring a bell?
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And before you start going to find seasons in which we only won 6 games under Richt,
Yea, 2010 was year 9 in his tenure. Kirby is in year 1. Why is this so difficult to grasp?
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I will never understand why it is so difficult for some on this board to say, Kirby Smart is not perfect. He makes mistakes. He has been terrible with clock management. The team looks listless and uninspired.
Who in the frick is saying he's perfect? Most people are perfectly pissed at the way the team has played. But they also realize that he's a first year head coach and it is going to take some time.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 3:57 pm to VADawg
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I hate to keep harping on Richt, and I'm not one to keep bringing him up, but the problem was even when he had the program built as much as he possibly could, we were only serious NC contenders once in his tenure (2012).
Exactly. If people want to compare their first seasons as coaches, fine. But to compare Kirby in year 1 to Richt in year 10 is so fricking dishonest.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 3:57 pm to SumterCoDawg
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Going 6-7 is better than this?
Yes. Nicholls almost beat us. Vanderbilt beat us. A 3-3 Ole Miss team trucked us. We beat a Missouri team by 1 point that got beat by Florida by 26 points and LSU by 35 points. So, yes. This, so far, is worse than that year.
2010 we lost 7 games by a total of 57 points. That's an average of 8.7 points a loss.
We beat Vanderbilt 43-0.
Yes. This year is worse SO FAR, than 2010.
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