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re: Saturday will go a looooong way in determing the east
Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:11 am to WG_Dawg
Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:11 am to WG_Dawg
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We don't need to throw a guy out there that doesnt' give us the best chance to win. Nothing hurts you more on the road than turnovers, and I think Ramsey is more likely to do that than Mason.
as i stated above b4 i read this post, i am not calling for Ramsey to start, but I see no reason not to give him some meaningful snaps...use all your weapons...we do it with the backfield, why not use the talent in Ramsey/Bauta to do things HM can't?
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Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:11 am to SthGADawg
The pass Ramsey threw in the Vandy game was a thing of beauty. It was no where near the receiver, but it had zip. I would think defenses would be more afraid of him with his potential than the floaters by Mason. I trust the coaches, but I just want to open the field for the running game. Let MM and JSW streak a few times with Ramsey firing it there way, and the running game improves.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:12 am to SthGADawg
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playing Bauta for a wrinkle and throwing the true gunslinger in there some if not a great deal, that is what they will do..CMR has pretty much said that...
Naw, I think that teams will key in on Bauta just like Vandy did. But, that wildcat with Gurley and his pass - now I am NOT calling for more of that - really has to make teams think.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:13 am to SthGADawg
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cause CMR is being loyal to HM...that is the main reason and we know it...
No, not really. If Ramsey was better he'd be starting. Yes they scored a TD on his drive Saturday, but if you watch it again, he was not in control at all.
I'm glad he got in there and is getting some reps, but he needs more time to , as Nick Saban would say, "Calm the frick down" before he's the man.
Another off-season and spring, I think he'll do fine. Just not now.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:13 am to Broncothor
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Let MM and JSW streak a few times with Ramsey firing it there way, and the running game improves.
Mfing THIS^^^^^^^^^^^
Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:14 am to Broncothor
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The pass Ramsey threw in the Vandy game was a thing of beauty. It was no where near the receiver, but it had zip.
isn't that kind of important?
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I would think defenses would be more afraid of him with his potential than the floaters by Mason.
Possibly, but remember against troy he threw a ball directly to a defender where no receiver was within 10 yards. It's not that he sucks, he's just inexperienced. He's a freshman, that's how it goes.
Richt has already hinted that he's going to get a series or two against missouri, I just hope we don't get a repeat of DJ and 2002 UF.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:15 am to Broncothor
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Let MM and JSW streak a few times with Ramsey firing it there way, and the running game improves.
We ran a streak with Mason and MM Saturday that was incomplete. Overthrown actually.
If defenses know that when our freshman comes in we're going deep it doens't help us much. Just like when Bauta comes in and they know we're probably gonna run him, it doesnt' mean too much.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:17 am to bulldawger
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No, not really. If Ramsey was better he'd be starting. Yes they scored a TD on his drive Saturday, but if you watch it again, he was not in control at all.
I'm glad he got in there and is getting some reps, but he needs more time to , as Nick Saban would say, "Calm the frick down" before he's the man.
Another off-season and spring, I think he'll do fine. Just not now.
well, im not sure how much CMR coached football you have watched...the man is loyal to a fault...lets not forget that HM almost left and then he redshirted with a probable gaurantee to tsart after AM left...BR is better....maybe not more mature an dmore expereinced, but he is better...and im not calling for the benching and firing of HM...read my posts...but no reason not to sling it downfield, which Ramsey can do better...to poen up the run game...then Gurley rushes more...and its a thing of beauty with more balance...HM does not threaten defenses with his passing game..he jsut doesn't...BR can...
Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:19 am to WG_Dawg
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isn't that kind of important?
Not really in the context of what I was saying. Of course you want completions. But my point was just the potential of a strong arm with MM and JSW and the defenses have to show respect. So even if the accuracy is off, it opens the running game just from the potential.
Of course, if he throws picks, then it negates it all.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:20 am to WG_Dawg
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If defenses know that when our freshman comes in we're going deep it doens't help us much. Just like when Bauta comes in and they know we're probably gonna run him, it doesnt' mean too much.
this has potential to be a very valid point...which is why I say split time..
Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:24 am to SthGADawg
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well, im not sure how much CMR coached football you have watched...
Watched every play.
I realize how loyal Richt has been, but right now BR is not the best QB.
Right now the only thing he does better than Mason is throw it harder and further.
If that's all you want out of a QB then you're right
Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:25 am to WG_Dawg
Agree with you....Saturday is going to set the tone for the rest of the season. If we can ride our Warhorse TG3 and if we can get after Matty Mauk on D then good things are going to happen.
Is the East going to cannibalize itself just like the West has?
Is the East going to cannibalize itself just like the West has?
Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:27 am to bulldawger
Even my wife agrees on this one. "Harder and Longer is always better."
Ramsey is not a blind thrower, just needs some experience. I am certain he can probably throw the 10 yard dinks to the primary receiver just like Mason.
Ramsey is not a blind thrower, just needs some experience. I am certain he can probably throw the 10 yard dinks to the primary receiver just like Mason.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:29 am to Broncothor
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Ramsey is not a blind thrower, just needs some experience. I am certain he can probably throw the 10 yard dinks to the primary receiver just like Mason.
His first pass IIRC was about 90 mph and 6 feet over the intended receiver's head.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:29 am to bulldawger
quote:I don't think that we need to split time with BR, but I understood the point to be that threatening with the deep pass will make our running game even better.
Right now the only thing he does better than Mason is throw it harder and further.
If that's all you want out of a QB then you're right
We are currently getting less than 200 yards a game through the air out of Mason, so we really aren't doing a lot of passing that drives us down the field as much as using it to supplement our running game. The point, as I understood it, is that if BR came in and handed the ball off 3 out of every 4 times, but on that 1 pass play he threw it deep, it would potentially make the other 3 running plays more potent.
That may or may not be the case in reality, but it makes sense to me.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:34 am to Broncothor
ive seen him make some very accurate back shoulder throws in person...he can throw the touch pass as well...i get what all of you are saying but...being beholden to HM and not utilizing that kind of talent is foolish in my opinion...ive not called foe the becnhing of Mason, just some wrinles that DC's have to plan for...
Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:36 am to WG_Dawg
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We all know Ramsey has more upside/potential than Mason, but I mean we're 4-1, ranked 10th, and can make a huge push for the division saturday. We don't need to throw a guy out there that doesnt' give us the best chance to win. Nothing hurts you more on the road than turnovers, and I think Ramsey is more likely to do that than Mason.
This is pretty much how I feel about it. I think Ramsey is probably the future, but Mason still gives us the best chance to win.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:38 am to SthGADawg
And I believe that's the route richt is taking. He already got a scripted 3rd series drive last week, plus some others in mop up time. Richt kidna hinted that he'll continue to get a pre-determined series going forward, including this weekend. But we don't need to frick around and platoon QBs for a full game. That's just asking for trouble.
I just want us to be smart when Ramsey does end up coming in. I still have nightmares of DJ's pick 6 against florida.
I just want us to be smart when Ramsey does end up coming in. I still have nightmares of DJ's pick 6 against florida.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:38 am to SthGADawg
Normally I think CMR is loyal to a fault. In this case, I think it is Bobo that is hanging on to HM because he knows what he can do (even though he hasn't shown it).
There are a lot of ways to win a game. What we need from HM is to not turn the ball over. We don't need 45 attempts like AM had last year (with two picks).
We don't lose at Missouri if we don't turn the ball over...even if it is an ultra conservative passing game.
With our running game, if we win the turnover game against them (which is something they are know for not losing), we will win the game.
That said, some of his passes need to be down the field, especially if they start pulling their safety in.
There are a lot of ways to win a game. What we need from HM is to not turn the ball over. We don't need 45 attempts like AM had last year (with two picks).
We don't lose at Missouri if we don't turn the ball over...even if it is an ultra conservative passing game.
With our running game, if we win the turnover game against them (which is something they are know for not losing), we will win the game.
That said, some of his passes need to be down the field, especially if they start pulling their safety in.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:39 am to FooManChoo
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but I understood the point to be that threatening with the deep pass will make our running game even better
Didn't read it that way. What I read is that he said BR was a better QB right now.
I've gone on record saying BR will be an excellent GA QB and that he is the reason Park will transfer and Eason won't start until his RSoph year. I still believe this.
But right now Mason is the best QB on the team.
I like that BR got reps, meaningful reps. But he isn't the man at QB at this moment.
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