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re: Saturday will go a looooong way in determing the east

Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:40 am to
Posted by WG_Dawg
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Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:40 am to
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That said, some of his passes need to be down the field, especially if they start pulling their safety in.



I'm sure they will be. We already saw it this past weekend. Having JSW along with mitchell will only open it up that much more.
Posted by Damn Good Dawg
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:43 am to
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SthGADawg

You know something, Sth? You are one of my favorite people here. You're my brother in jagdom. You keep true to your south Georgia roots. I respect that. You're loyal. I respect that. You don't get pissy with me every time I get mad at Georgia which is daily. Definitely respect that.

But bro, dude, my friend, buddy...you gotta see your Ramsey bias is really clouding this. I think Hutson Mason is the 2nd coming of Joe Tereshinski III here to haunt my dreams because I was ready for him to take over for Guido fricking Football. It's obvious he sits down to pee and quivers at the thought of making a decision in time. His passes have better air time than Bryan Anger. And I think the coaches recognize that. I feel like our usually vanilla, coddling staff is actually saying as much in their own way. Bobo called out Mason after UT in his own way, Richt hasn't dismissed the idea of rotation, and they are actually entertaining the comments of Mason's shititude.

Point is I don't think they are blindly sticking with Hutson. But I do think it's an indictment of what they think of our QB depth. I wrote this novel to my buddy and then posted it on here about out QBs. The tl;dr version was this: My buddy from NY thinks we are dumb for not putting in Ramsey for the same reasons you are and I countered by saying that the grass seems greener but the answer for our QBs aint black and white. It's shades of gray. Truth is I don't think we have ANY answer at QB.

You love your boy Brice and I respect that. But Ramsey is fricking raw dude. So raw. Rawer than Stafford and Stafford was rawwwww. I don't fully agree with WG on Mason. I'm not as optimistic as WG. But I think WG has done a damn fine job explaining the issues we have at QB and what's happened in our past. In 2006 our hopes were done early and we had no where to look but up. They played Cox and Stafford and it was fricking brutal. Yea, Mason is a pile of tofu shite but I think it could get far worse.

Then I have seen ya say you don't want Mason to be benched. I think we both think you do and hey, so do I. I honestly want to rent Rhett Lashlee and install the read option with Gurley at QB. But to entertain the thought of just giving Brice more time here is my issue. I didn't like it when DJ came in back in the day. There were times like UT in 2004 where he was the ONLY dude moving the ball. Then you had fans clamoring for him over Greene after we lost. Then you'd have times like, what, UF in 2003? DJ laid an egg. It causes confusion amongst the fans but I really think the rhythm and rapport developed between the center, RBs, and WRs with a QB is underrated here. They have to get ready for a new cadence, a new hand off, and new pass.

Idk, I just want them to settle on someone. None of this should be argumentative. Just conversation.

Also, sth, dude, our Jags are so bad.
This post was edited on 10/6/14 at 9:46 am
Posted by Broncothor
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:51 am to
I read that twice to try to understand it. I landed on you think Mason sucks and Ramsey also sucks. I should have expected this opinion.

However, I did like "shades of grey" as it made me think of the girl in the movie trailer. And I agree the Jags suck, but I still pull for them.
Posted by Damn Good Dawg
Member since Feb 2011
47325 posts
Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:53 am to
My thoughts are sporadic and if I don't edit it's like putting your mind in a jungle gym. For that I apologize but I am too lazy to go edit.

And that's exactly my point. But even this negative shite will clarify that. I think Mason sucks. I think Ramsey isn't ready. I think Bauta could work but that's based purely on run ability and frankly it doesn't seem like that he is good enough at that to warrant more PT.

And shite, meant gray. Sorry. And you're a jag too?
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
86467 posts
Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:54 am to
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it's like putting your mind in a jungle gym


Posted by Broncothor
Member since Jul 2014
3050 posts
Posted on 10/6/14 at 10:01 am to
I was living in Jax when they got the team. Went to the Landing that night and bought my first Jag Shirt. I still have a sweatshirt with the original Jag logo before the auto company made them change it. Was a season ticket holder for the first few years. Now I live in ATL, so I pull for both, but mostly, I am a Jag.
Posted by dallasga6
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Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 10/6/14 at 10:04 am to
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I'm sure they will be. We already saw it this past weekend. Having JSW along with mitchell will only open it up that much more.
It seemed to loosen up the coverage on the TE & slot receiver Sat... Was nice to see a LB trailing instead of a DB/S draped over them...
This post was edited on 10/6/14 at 10:06 am
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
25876 posts
Posted on 10/6/14 at 10:05 am to
If/when we lose our third game, I'll be in favor of handing Ramsey the keys immediately. Until then, Mason's got to be the guy. He's by far the most refined and the least likely to totally screw us in a game, so he needs to be the guy until we're totally eliminated from title contention. Ramsey is the future, but there's still too much to play for in the now to voluntarily endure those growing pains.

I don't think Bauta is a realistic option as a starter. The offense is way too one-dimensional with him.
Posted by SthGADawg
Member since Nov 2007
7035 posts
Posted on 10/6/14 at 10:08 am to
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Damn Good Dawg



reading your post is like looking through a frosty glass of Blue Moon...I am biased when it comes to BR...but just because I truly believe he will be great..not cause he is from Camden...

I think my pont in this thread...consistently, has been that i think we need slightly less HM and slightly more BR....but not a full dose of both...think a black and tan....with slightly more Guinness...

anyway...agree that we shouldn't be argumentative, just stating my thoughts...BR is very versatile and is gonna be the tits nest season, and i beleive he can help us reach our goals this season...i dont hate HM, just feel that we have options on the sideline that may help Gurley not have to literally carryt he team on his back...all the way to the Dome...


oh and that Jags O line is doodoo...i keyed in on them thsi week as you had mentioned it so adamantly lest week and they are really bad...but...we are on a Gurley to Jacksonville campaign right now, and Bort looks liek he is gonne be awesoem if he stays helathy...ahhh...what am i spouting all thsi positive shite for?...they suck..you're right...
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 10/6/14 at 10:11 am to
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Gurley to Jacksonville


oh please no
Posted by Broncothor
Member since Jul 2014
3050 posts
Posted on 10/6/14 at 10:12 am to
I would hate for Gurley to go to Jax. He needs some help in front of him or he will get worn down. As much as I like the Jags, I wouldn't wish that on Gurley.

I wish we had given Ramsey more time against Troy. We would know more.
Posted by SthGADawg
Member since Nov 2007
7035 posts
Posted on 10/6/14 at 10:13 am to
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Gurley to Jacksonville


we have no running game...partly cause of our wretched O line, partly cause our "guy" is pasty toby...we will likely pick 1-3 in the draft...Gurley would be awesome with Bortles...we have the receivers...just need a stout back and to fix the oline/dbs in free agency
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 10/6/14 at 10:14 am to
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I wish we had given Ramsey more time against Troy. We would know more


what exactly would we know? We're not going to REALLY know something about Ramsey until he faces a real team on a real drive with something on the line. Troy and Vanderbilt aren't really indicative (one way or the other) of what he can do.

If he comes in in the first half Saturday I think that could tell us something, potentially. What's going to be tough for us (although it kinda sounds stupid) is he he plays lights out. Then we're looking at a full fledged QB situation and those never really turn out well.
Posted by davesdawgs
Georgia - Class of '75
Member since Oct 2008
20307 posts
Posted on 10/6/14 at 10:15 am to
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We all know Ramsey has more upside/potential than Mason, but I mean we're 4-1, ranked 10th, and can make a huge push for the division saturday. We don't need to throw a guy out there that doesnt' give us the best chance to win. Nothing hurts you more on the road than turnovers, and I think Ramsey is more likely to do that than Mason.


I agree with this. Mason should be fine if he makes accurate throws within his capability/range. We do need a balanced attack against Missouri's defense. I don't think we are going to be able to just blow them away with our running game the entire game.
Posted by SthGADawg
Member since Nov 2007
7035 posts
Posted on 10/6/14 at 10:19 am to
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what exactly would we know? We're not going to REALLY know something about Ramsey until he faces a real team on a real drive with something on the line. Troy and Vanderbilt aren't really indicative (one way or the other) of what he can do.



which is why he should play more...you just helped my argument...garbage time doesnt make you grow up...
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
25876 posts
Posted on 10/6/14 at 10:22 am to
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which is why he should play more...you just helped my argument...garbage time doesnt make you grow up...

We're not in a position to let a QB grow up at the moment. If we lose a couple more, then sure, but right now we can't take losses due to the growing pains of a young QB
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
86467 posts
Posted on 10/6/14 at 10:24 am to
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which is why he should play more...you just helped my argument...garbage time doesnt make you grow up..


On the road with the division at stake isn't the time to grow up.

Posted by SthGADawg
Member since Nov 2007
7035 posts
Posted on 10/6/14 at 10:28 am to
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until he faces a real team on a real drive with something on the line.



like winning an important division game? im confused....
Posted by Broncothor
Member since Jul 2014
3050 posts
Posted on 10/6/14 at 10:28 am to
We would know if he has the composure to play in front of 90,000 fans and complete passes, make reads, and control the team against a weaker opponent. Step 1 in evaluation. Then we up the competition.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
86467 posts
Posted on 10/6/14 at 10:30 am to
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like winning an important division game? im confused....



Yes, this saturday is a real game. He will presumably get 1 series, maybe more. That will be good for him to get some pressured snaps. But that's not the game for him to "grow up" like someone else said, ie play a ton.
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