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re: Richt v McGarity tension
Posted on 12/29/14 at 11:11 am to Peter Buck
Posted on 12/29/14 at 11:11 am to Peter Buck
I have a question? I would guess the BOR keeps meeting minutes, or has a stenographer for their many meetings throughout the year would any of these be made public since it concerns the public's welfare?
I would love to see how UGA's athletic needs are addressed by each member as an individual and how each member voted for or against budgets needs (and the like) in holding these sweet old bob's accountable.
'Seems like the AJC could use the freedom of information act and review the works in depth.
I think this BOR should deliver a 10-Q report to the public just as any publicly traded company is required to do as it's all our money.
I would love to see how UGA's athletic needs are addressed by each member as an individual and how each member voted for or against budgets needs (and the like) in holding these sweet old bob's accountable.
'Seems like the AJC could use the freedom of information act and review the works in depth.
I think this BOR should deliver a 10-Q report to the public just as any publicly traded company is required to do as it's all our money.
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Posted on 12/29/14 at 11:18 am to tylerdurden24
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Richt v McGarity tension quote: if he was paid market value and thought he had a shot at HC at UGA.... or at least wanted to be a HC for the current regime. Would he have had his agent activey shopping him? Bobo wanted to be a HC. Period. And rightfully so. Think of it this way: Kirby Smart has now watched Bobo and Muschamp both go on to succesful stints as coordinators before moving onto HC jobs. Meanwhile, he is barely mentioned anymore amongst HC positions. Bobo saw a good opportunity to do his own thing with his own staff on a team with some talent and in a winnable conference. He wasn't going to get the HC job at UGA and, if so, it wasn't going to be anytime soon. As of today, though (and barring some meteoric collapse while HC at CSU), he is already begin tabbed as the frontrunner for the UGA job once Richt leaves. So, not only is he getting paid more to be the HC of a school that he can have success at, but he has automatically upgraded his standing for the future if and when the UGA job comes available. This was a no-brainer move for Bobo the moment the opportunity came about.
If he was on that track, then you have to take into account that he has had a HC resume (in comparison to his peers) for a number of years... yet, he stayed at UGA. He stayed at UGA being underpaid vs his peers.
So now, his agent floats his name and then boom, he gets a job. Was this the first year he could have floated his name for a job like that? What changed?
Then, there is the Friend aspect. Was he in contention for OC? Did he even want to be? It sure seems like he didn't want to wait for an answer...Bird in hand perhaps?
Posted on 12/29/14 at 11:33 am to Peter Buck
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That was our USC game
Watched the replay this past weekend and I'm not sure there was that much of a differance between the 2 teams on that particular day.
Their QB (Thompson) was white hot that day coupled with our inexperience in the secondary and our LB's inability to cover TE's.I'm pretty
sure they'd have scored 30+ points on us no matter how flat we came out.
But I do think we'd have had a much better shot at them if we'd have played later in the season.
No doubt in my mind we would have hammered em had we had JHC,Mathews and Wiggens
Posted on 12/29/14 at 11:35 am to Peter Buck
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Was this the first year he could have floated his name for a job like that? What changed?
That's anyone's guess, including the thought that things simply change. Whereas he may have determined a year or two ago that he was going to remain at UGA come hell or high water, he may have simply grown more and more comfortable with the idea of making a name for himself elsewhere. But who really knows other than Bobo himself.
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Then, there is the Friend aspect. Was he in contention for OC? Did he even want to be? It sure seems like he didn't want to wait for an answer...Bird in hand perhaps?
Friend wasn't going to end up the OC at UGA for a number of reasons (which is not to say he won't make for a fine OC at CSU). Furthermore, Friend's allegiance has always been moreso to Bobo than to Richt or UGA. IIRC, Bobo was the one that vouched for friend as OL coach back when he was hired.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 12:43 pm to tylerdurden24
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Posted on 12/29/14 at 1:11 pm to germandawg
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Florida and Sputh Carolina were both games we could have been less than focused on and simply survived....Tech is probably a better all around team than we were, especially from a coaching standpoint.
What you aren't realizing is that even the best coached teams have games where they struggle with less talented opponents. Bama lost to OM, should have lost to LSU, and struggled with Arkansas. Ohio St. lost to Va Tech and struggled with Penn St. Oregon lost to Arizona and struggled with Washington St. FSU struggled with numerous bad teams this year. The more talent you have though, the easier it is to overcome those games where you don't play up to the skill you have. You get more talent by spending more money on better coaches and better facilities. We don't do that to the same extent that teams like Alabama and Auburn do.
Also, saying GT is a much better all around team, especially from a coaching standpoint is laughable.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 1:20 pm to AirDawg
What has not been brought up in this discussion is that it isn't just a money gap, which is gone into to great effect in a red and black article form a couple of years ago.
Everyone keeps talking about equal talent. That may be true WHEN IT IS ON THE FIELD. I would love someone who keeps talking about equal talent go back through the recruiting classes and mark all the games that were missed due to suspension, dismissal, lack of over signing, and injury (which does appear to have something to do with a less than stellar SC dept). Considering that no other top SEC program has had to deal with the standards that UGA has put in place for its football staff, then that is just another disadvantage we are forcing on the staff.
Germandawg- who were talking about the 2012 SECCG. The team getting tired in the second half probably had nothing to do with the fact that there were about 60 guys on scholarship for UGA by that game compared to 80+ for Bama? There is a reason that a 15 scholarship loss is considered a huge NCAA punishment to a program.
A pretty good source on 247 just spelled it out that UGA requires 17 core credits for admissions, which is 5 more than Auburn and 3 more than Bama. You don't think that might make some difference on the recruiting trail?
While I don't think this coaching staff has been perfect, they are constantly told to work from behind the eight ball. Seriously, there is a reason Spurrier licks his chops at getting to play UGA at the beginning of every season because there will be without a doubt significant losses in personnel due suspensions and off season dismissals.
IF all these other disadvantages were evened out by the AD, then I would be fine with cleaning house, blowing up this recruiting class, and moving on, but you guys who think that is happening are just fooling yourselves.
Everyone keeps talking about equal talent. That may be true WHEN IT IS ON THE FIELD. I would love someone who keeps talking about equal talent go back through the recruiting classes and mark all the games that were missed due to suspension, dismissal, lack of over signing, and injury (which does appear to have something to do with a less than stellar SC dept). Considering that no other top SEC program has had to deal with the standards that UGA has put in place for its football staff, then that is just another disadvantage we are forcing on the staff.
Germandawg- who were talking about the 2012 SECCG. The team getting tired in the second half probably had nothing to do with the fact that there were about 60 guys on scholarship for UGA by that game compared to 80+ for Bama? There is a reason that a 15 scholarship loss is considered a huge NCAA punishment to a program.
A pretty good source on 247 just spelled it out that UGA requires 17 core credits for admissions, which is 5 more than Auburn and 3 more than Bama. You don't think that might make some difference on the recruiting trail?
While I don't think this coaching staff has been perfect, they are constantly told to work from behind the eight ball. Seriously, there is a reason Spurrier licks his chops at getting to play UGA at the beginning of every season because there will be without a doubt significant losses in personnel due suspensions and off season dismissals.
IF all these other disadvantages were evened out by the AD, then I would be fine with cleaning house, blowing up this recruiting class, and moving on, but you guys who think that is happening are just fooling yourselves.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 1:30 pm to SoGaFan
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UGA requires 17 core credits for admissions, which is 5 more than Auburn and 3 more than Bama.
Had no idea that was the case.I know CMR steered a couple of kids that did not get into UGA to Miss State and Arky I believe but that was quite some time ago.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 1:52 pm to Damn Good Dawg
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The school doesn't want to commit.
You know things are fricked up when even the G won't commit to the G.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 1:56 pm to SoGaFan
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The team getting tired in the second half probably had nothing to do with the fact that there were about 60 guys on scholarship for UGA by that game compared to 80+ for Bama?
It had more to do with fatham not taking even one or two plays to put in subs on the DL. When you have a bowling ball who is currently excelling for the green bay packers running it straight downhill every play, and your 300+ pound linemen have played every snap....yeah duh they're going to give out. I don't care if we weren't trotting out 5 stars in their place, put SOMEONE else in there for a play or 2.
I agree though that a large problem is not just money. Our suspension policies, drug testing, police department, etc all handcuff us to some degree as well that don't at other schools.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 2:01 pm to Damn Good Dawg
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I think McGarity is an arse but I think he is only the personification of what the school admin wants. So he has the school backing him. But Richt has literally everyone else. shite hits the fans then everyone is going down or Richt wins.
Sets up an interesting scenario, though. Say Richt wins the fight and gets McGarity tossed. In a weird way, it will make his own position almost radioactive: there would be an awful lot of pressure to win a title very, very quickly, and there would be no one else left to blame if the team didn't.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 2:04 pm to Damn Good Dawg
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Or Kyle Whittingham.
Of course, our Athletic Department would probably opt for Ty Willingham....close enough, right?
Posted on 12/29/14 at 2:05 pm to FaCubeItches
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there would be an awful lot of pressure to win a title very, very quickly, and there would be no one else left to blame if the team didn't.
There's always pressure to win. At the very least, that scenario would give richt more ammo for the fight than he currently has. If we had auburn or bama's AD for instance, and richt was basically given everything he requests (coaching salaries, facilities, etc) it would certainly put us on more even footing.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 2:11 pm to SoGaFan
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What has not been brought up in this discussion is that it isn't just a money gap, which is gone into to great effect in a red and black article form a couple of years ago.
From the R&B article...
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Those numbers concern total coaching salaries for overall athletic spending; the numbers for football, particularly in the SEC, are far more daunting. Between 2005 and 2011, the SEC median for football coaching salaries per football player (which includes salaries, benefits and bonuses paid by the university and contractually guaranteed amounts paid by third parties) increased by 81 percent, nearly double that of the FBS median.
Georgia’s spending on football coaches is dwarfed by its conference’s median. UGA increased its spending on Mark Richt and his staff by only 36 percent over the seven year period, a significantly lower percentage of change compared to that of Alabama or Florida — 144 and 142 percent, respectively.
If you can't see the correlation of how the amount we spend affects our performance since 2005 (UGA's last SECC) vs the rest of the conference your just a blind CMR hater. I woulda been ok with him gone after '10. But working under the constraints of the Foundation & the school's spending, academic & discipline policies I honestly don't know who can do better?...
This post was edited on 12/29/14 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 12/29/14 at 2:14 pm to FaCubeItches
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Sets up an interesting scenario, though. Say Richt wins the fight and gets McGarity tossed. In a weird way, it will make his own position almost radioactive: there would be an awful lot of pressure to win a title very, very quickly, and there would be no one else left to blame if the team didn't.
I'd be ok with that... If CMR said give me what I need & by God if I don't succeed fire my arse... I'd be so happy, I'd hug his frickin neck...
Posted on 12/29/14 at 2:14 pm to dallasga6
Mcgarity gave richt a dollar amount and said "here's what you get for assistants. Make it work how you want". That is almost laughably bad incompetence. It would be funny if it wasn't happening to us.
Big time football schools say "how much money do we need to pay assistants?" We do the opposite.
Big time football schools say "how much money do we need to pay assistants?" We do the opposite.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 2:21 pm to WG_Dawg
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Mcgarity gave richt a dollar amount and said "here's what you get for assistants. Make it work how you want". That is almost laughably bad incompetence. It would be funny if it wasn't happening to us.
The fact that they did this after being publicly embarrassed by having their HC paying assistants out of his own pocket is mind-boggling. Even if that is your standard practice, you never say something like that to the media.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 5:38 pm to Crowknowsbest
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With that said, is it Richt underachieving, or is it UGA? Where does the problem actually lie, the man who is currently the "underachiever" or the institution that has underachieved forever?
Of course, it could always be that both are....
Posted on 12/29/14 at 5:40 pm to FaCubeItches
It could be both, but you won't really know until you fix the main problem. Until you fix the institutional side, who the coach is doesn't really matter all that much.
This post was edited on 12/29/14 at 5:41 pm
Posted on 12/29/14 at 6:53 pm to Crowknowsbest
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Until you fix the institutional side, who the coach is doesn't really matter all that much.
Word. Although just to play Devil's Advocate, like some folks have already mentioned - we don't truly know what ADGM would do with a HC hire. That said, I'm totally convinced that were he to outlive CMR, he'd trip over himself to make an underwhelming choice. All in the interest of The Georgia Way™, of course.
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