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re: Richt v McGarity tension
Posted on 12/29/14 at 10:28 am to WG_Dawg
Posted on 12/29/14 at 10:28 am to WG_Dawg
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we absolutely did. Auburn (MAYBE) was the only team we played that could match up with us 22 for 22 with talent. We didn't lose any of our 3 games due to not being talented enough.
Not what I mean. UGA needs to be talented enough to win even when they don't have their A game against inferior teams that are focused. Right now, UGA isn't at that level. Alabama and FSU are, which is why they're consistently competing for titles.
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Posted on 12/29/14 at 10:29 am to tylerdurden24
In regards to Bobo... if he was paid market value and thought he had a shot at HC at UGA.... or at least wanted to be a HC for the current regime. Would he have had his agent activey shopping him?
Posted on 12/29/14 at 10:30 am to WG_Dawg
I think the key to Crow's comment may have been "to get by". Unlike some recent years, we didn't have enough talent this year to win games half asleep. We could have "gotten by" those games in the Stafford or Murray years.
Or maybe that's not what he meant, but hey, that's what I think.
Or maybe that's not what he meant, but hey, that's what I think.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 10:33 am to UGAalum08
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I think the key to Crow's comment may have been "to get by". Unlike some recent years, we didn't have enough talent this year to win games half asleep. We could have "gotten by" those games in the Stafford or Murray years.
Or maybe that's not what he meant, but hey, that's what I think.
That's basically the idea. It's not realistic to think that you'll play up to your talent level every week, but you have to expect that teams with less talent will get up to play UGA because of the perception that they're less talented. It's simple psychology.
UGA isn't talented enough to withstand that consistently right now.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 10:35 am to Crowknowsbest
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Crowknowsbest Richt v McGarity tension This year, Georgia was truly focused against Clemson, Missouri, and Auburn (especially) imo. That's 3 (about what you can expect). We didn't have the talent to get by in the other games.
I disagree with the talent....I' don't think anyone would suggest that South Carolina, Florida or GT is more talented than we were this year.
And I would agree that we were pretty focused in these games but had we when focused in just one more we may have been in the playoff. Florida and Sputh Carolina were both games we could have been less than focused on and simply survived....Tech is probably a better all around team than we were, especially from a coaching standpoint. Florida and USC both were games we could have been less than motivated for and still won with a few mistakes. We just made too dammed many mistaken were not even of the field for most of both games. Had we won either of thee two games we would have been inAtlanta and probably more competitive against GT with something to play for. Who knows what may have happenedthisyear had we merely shown up against the Gators......but we didn't and that is not a matter of facilities or talent.....it is coaching, period.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 10:36 am to germandawg
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I disagree with the talent....I' don't think anyone would suggest that South Carolina, Florida or GT is more talented than we were this year.
Again, not what I'm saying.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 10:37 am to tylerdurden24
Interesting post by McDawg on 24/7...
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Getting rid of McGarity would change nothing...
This has gone on since '05. It isn't recent. No real change in direction for10 years. Short staffed S&C. Short change salary and support for S&C head.
Fallen from top 3-4 in football budget in the SEC to bottom half. Same for salaries. Same for facilities. More so for discipline, admissions, and recruiting policies.
One of last schools to give coordinators multi-year contracts. Short changed Bobo and created culture of short changing coaches (including not paying contractual bonuses).
Promised full recruiting team of 5 almost 3 years ago.
$77.8 million in reserve ($30 mill transferred to general UGA Foundation account) and $109 mill in long term debt. Maybe the healthiest position of any SEC school. Pay UGA general fund an average of $5 mill per year since '05 out of football revenue (almost $50 million!!).
Has never promised or provided 'quality control' coaches.
I could go on for days . . . all factual. All verifiable. Not Monday morning qbing.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 10:37 am to Crowknowsbest
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That's basically the idea. It's not realistic to think that you'll play up to your talent level every week, but you have to expect that teams with less talent will get up to play UGA because of the perception that they're less talented. It's simple psychology. UGA isn't talented enough to withstand that consistently right now.
What? Under no circumstance should UGA have lost all three games to South Carolina, Florida, and Georgia Tech. This is especially when you had Nick Chubb doing what he was doing.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 10:38 am to Crowknowsbest
Bama lost to a good, but not great Ole Miss team this year and then the next week eeked by Arkansas 15-14. They won that game on nothing more than the talent gap. After Bama got through that stretch, they got things rolling.
That was our USC game... the difference is Bama only gave up 14. That game was a clear display of how a team playing flat wins with superior depth, talent, and defense.
That was our USC game... the difference is Bama only gave up 14. That game was a clear display of how a team playing flat wins with superior depth, talent, and defense.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 10:41 am to dallasga6
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Getting rid of McGarity would change nothing...
This has gone on since '05. It isn't recent. No real change in direction for10 years. Short staffed S&C. Short change salary and support for S&C head.
Fallen from top 3-4 in football budget in the SEC to bottom half. Same for salaries. Same for facilities. More so for discipline, admissions, and recruiting policies.
One of last schools to give coordinators multi-year contracts. Short changed Bobo and created culture of short changing coaches (including not paying contractual bonuses).
Promised full recruiting team of 5 almost 3 years ago.
$77.8 million in reserve ($30 mill transferred to general UGA Foundation account) and $109 mill in long term debt. Maybe the healthiest position of any SEC school. Pay UGA general fund an average of $5 mill per year since '05 out of football revenue (almost $50 million!!).
Has never promised or provided 'quality control' coaches.
I could go on for days . . . all factual. All verifiable. Not Monday morning qbing.
Isn't that pretty much what we have been sayiing here for years?
Posted on 12/29/14 at 10:41 am to JCdawg
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What? Under no circumstance should UGA have lost all three games to South Carolina, Florida, and Georgia Tech. This is especially when you had Nick Chubb doing what he was doing.
In each game, Georgia didn't play up to their ability. Georgia was more talented than all three. I'm not disputing any of that.
What I'm saying is that you're never going to get a team to play up to their ability more than 4 or so times in a season. UGA needs to get better to withstand their off days.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 10:42 am to Peter Buck
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That was our USC game... the difference is Bama only gave up 14. That game was a clear display of how a team playing flat wins with superior depth, talent, and defense.
Yep. Perfect example
Posted on 12/29/14 at 10:42 am to WG_Dawg
Say what you will, but at this time, in regards to support and facilities, it just doesn't seem like Alabama, Auburn, LSU, and T A&M are our competition.
We are competing with SC, Mizz, Ole Miss, Vandy, and Ky.
A little embarrassing and sobering.
We are competing with SC, Mizz, Ole Miss, Vandy, and Ky.
A little embarrassing and sobering.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 10:45 am to Peter Buck
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if he was paid market value and thought he had a shot at HC at UGA.... or at least wanted to be a HC for the current regime. Would he have had his agent activey shopping him?
Bobo wanted to be a HC. Period. And rightfully so. Think of it this way: Kirby Smart has now watched Bobo and Muschamp both go on to succesful stints as coordinators before moving onto HC jobs. Meanwhile, he is barely mentioned anymore amongst HC positions. Bobo saw a good opportunity to do his own thing with his own staff on a team with some talent and in a winnable conference. He wasn't going to get the HC job at UGA and, if so, it wasn't going to be anytime soon. As of today, though (and barring some meteoric collapse while HC at CSU), he is already begin tabbed as the frontrunner for the UGA job once Richt leaves. So, not only is he getting paid more to be the HC of a school that he can have success at, but he has automatically upgraded his standing for the future if and when the UGA job comes available.
This was a no-brainer move for Bobo the moment the opportunity came about.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 10:45 am to Crowknowsbest
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Not what I mean. UGA needs to be talented enough to win even when they don't have their A game against inferior teams that are focused. Right now, UGA isn't at that level. Alabama and FSU are, which is why they're consistently competing for titles.
We have never been at that level then. At least not in the Richt era which is the best era of UGA football. If it weren't for the consistently underachieving on the field given the tools that are in place Richt maybe given the tools he needs to get there.
If you have an employee who tells you that he needs a new tool to make him more productive do you automatically give it to him or do you weigh their current performance against possible performance and use, as part of that formula, the idea that they are making the best of the tools they already have? I don't even think Mark Richt would claim he has made the most of the tools he already has....if he did try to make that claim he is nowhere near as honest as he is supposed to be. If he had made the most of the tools he has he wouldn't have to ask for more....people would be lined up around the corner to give him anything he needed or wanted. If he is asking for more having not used what he has to utmost advantage he is simply a whiny employee who has reached his maximum output.
So, does anyone think that Mark Rich has done all he can to get the program where it wants to be? I don't even think Mark Richt would make that claim......
Posted on 12/29/14 at 10:45 am to bulldawger
USC is building and indoor facility now and has a support staff budget slightly higher than us, but that does not take into account Spurrier makes $1M more than Richt and essentially pays himself to be OC.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 10:51 am to germandawg
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We have never been at that level then. At least not in the Richt era which is the best era of UGA football. If it weren't for the consistently underachieving on the field given the tools that are in place Richt maybe given the tools he needs to get there.
Like you said, this is the best era of UGA football. With that said, is it Richt underachieving, or is it UGA? Where does the problem actually lie, the man who is currently the "underachiever" or the institution that has underachieved forever?
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So, does anyone think that Mark Rich has done all he can to get the program where it wants to be? I don't even think Mark Richt would make that claim......
We have actual evidence of him not being allowed to do everything he would want to to win.
This post was edited on 12/29/14 at 10:56 am
Posted on 12/29/14 at 10:59 am to Crowknowsbest
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Like you said, this is the best era of UGA football. With that said, is it Richt underachieving, or is it UGA? Where does the problem actually lie, the man who is currently the "underachiever" or the institution that has underachieved forever?
No doubt it is the program....and that is why Richt is here in the first place. UGA is a second tier at best program...always has been, ways will be unless something drastic changes. Mark Richt fits the UGA mold to a T....he is a class guy who is not at the top of his game....just like the program.
My point is this....if he had been the type who over achieved, who did more with less other than simply doing what was expected with what he has, I think that the culture would have changed at UGA. He didn't, it didn't, and here we are.
Having said that giving him more now, at this point in the game, is not likely going to make him over achieve...in fact it is a pretty safe bet that things would stay about the same. The administration has a responsibility to make the most of everything within their control....giving more to a program which has done nothing to merit any more would be irresponsible.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 11:02 am to tylerdurden24
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Kirby Smart has now watched Bobo and Muschamp both go on to succesful stints as coordinators before moving onto HC jobs. Meanwhile, he is barely mentioned anymore amongst HC positions
Pretty sure the days of hiring DC's or OC's as a SEC HC are gone...especially after the Muschamp experiment.There's way too much money on the line to hire anyone but a proven HC with a track record.
(Yes ,I know Mullen was an OC before MSU)
Posted on 12/29/14 at 11:06 am to germandawg
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My point is this....if he had been the type who over achieved, who did more with less other than simply doing what was expected with what he has, I think that the culture would have changed at UGA. He didn't, it didn't, and here we are.
He did. From 2001-2007. UGA went through no such culture change.
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Having said that giving him more now, at this point in the game, is not likely going to make him over achieve
No, but it would change the standard for achievement. UGA should want to get to the point as a program where contending isn't overachieving. They don't need an overachieving coach to do that. They need to change the way the program does business.
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