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re: Potential Replacement for Mark Fox in 2017
Posted on 3/21/17 at 2:50 pm to Crowknowsbest
Posted on 3/21/17 at 2:50 pm to Crowknowsbest
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No shite
At least what I want is doable within the next few hours and could see payoffs as soon as next year, without much of a hassle or additional cost to us.
Your idea of grand, sweeping changes and building new facilities and "changing the vision" of the program takes years upon years. Which is awesome, I think that sounds lovely, but what about the meantime in the here and now? Just keep fox hanging around striving for 2 NIT wins while we start building a new stegeman?
I'm not saying I don't want the same thing you do, it's just that what us anti-foxers want is IMMEDIATE and could payoff beginning with the next basketball season. Yours could take a decade.
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Posted on 3/21/17 at 3:05 pm to WG_Dawg
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Which is awesome, I think that sounds lovely, but what about the meantime in the here and now? Just keep fox hanging around striving for 2 NIT wins while we start building a new stegeman?
I already said to fire him if you want to. I just think the most likely result of that is that we spin our wheels for another 5 years or so and then are right back where we started. Basically, I don't expect a new coach to do any better than Fox. They might, but I wouldn't expect that.
Posted on 3/21/17 at 4:05 pm to Crowknowsbest
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Programs that threw money at the problem and got a lot better: Texas, Oregon, Ohio State, Virginia, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Wisconsin, etc.
I'd take Ohio State off of that list. They're on a downward trajectory right now and need to fire Matta, but they've traditionally been very good. Same with Oklahoma.
Wisconsin hired Bo Ryan from a UW-Milwaukee and it worked out.
You're spot on about Oregon, UVA and the Texas schools. I particularly think UVA would be a great program to try and imitate because it isn't some farfetched pipe dream.
Posted on 3/21/17 at 4:49 pm to VADawg
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I particularly think UVA would be a great program to try and imitate because it isn't some farfetched pipe dream.
Virginia is probably close to a top 25 program of all time. I hope you would want to imitate them, but it is a pipedream.
9 ACC Championships
2 Final Fours
6 Elite Eights
9 Sweet Sixteens
21 NCAA Appearances
Posted on 3/21/17 at 5:02 pm to Red&Black
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We have a culture of complacency and inaction starting at the top and the longer we kick the can down the road, the more it will cost us in the future.
If that strategy has been good enough for Congress and the President for going on 80 years now, it's good enough for UGA, by God!
Posted on 3/21/17 at 5:05 pm to Crowknowsbest
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I think most coaches are average.
More or less, yeah.
Posted on 3/21/17 at 5:24 pm to WG_Dawg
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Keeping him around is the exact opposite of visionary.
But firing him is exactly what everyone would expect us to do, so keeping him *is* visionary, albeit with a stupid vision.
Posted on 3/21/17 at 8:02 pm to devils1854
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Virginia is probably close to a top 25 program of all time. I hope you would want to imitate them, but it is a pipedream
UVA was circling the drain in the late 90s and early 2000s before Paul Tudor Jones decided they weren't going to suck anymore
Posted on 3/21/17 at 8:16 pm to Crowknowsbest
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Firing a coach isn't visionary.
But its a necessary step, and the most important one, to improve a program when the current coach has proven he cant elevate the program further.
Posted on 3/21/17 at 8:41 pm to Crowknowsbest
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I don't think the simple act of firing a coach and hiring a new one would show commitment to winning to anybody outside the UGA fan base, mostly because that's not a substantial commitment in the big picture. Coaches are relatively cheap.
It would all depend on how much money we are offering, and if we were able to land a proven coach. Perhaps our admin isnt interested in aiming high, and if so, you have a point here, but we aimed high last time we fired a coach.
Even though we didnt get the guy, at least we tried, and I would hope we would try again. Since Fox has elevated our program above where it was last search, I would hope to have better success luring a proven coach.
Posted on 3/21/17 at 8:43 pm to djsdawg
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the most important one
Disagree. It's the cheapest and least foolproof one
Posted on 3/21/17 at 8:46 pm to djsdawg
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Perhaps our admin isnt interested in aiming high, and if so, you have a point here, but we aimed high last time we fired a coach.
The McGarity braintrust isn't going to aim high. I thought that went without saying.
Posted on 3/21/17 at 9:08 pm to Crowknowsbest
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Disagree. It's the cheapest and least foolproof one
Its the most sensible 1st step to take, and it can naturally lead to more steps.
If the coach is good, he can directly improve the product on the court himself. When that happens, interest picks up in the fan base and in recruiting, and the ball gets rolling towards capital investments required for long term success.
That was where we were headed under Tubby and Harrick, and it had nothing to do with the admin. We clearly failed to capitalize on both situations for obvious reasons, but thats no excuse just to maintain the status quo now. Failure in the past doesnt guarantee failure in the future.
This post was edited on 3/21/17 at 10:36 pm
Posted on 3/21/17 at 9:27 pm to devils1854
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Virginia is probably close to a top 25 program of all time. I hope you would want to imitate them, but it is a pipedream.
They fell on hard times until Tony Bennett got there. He is a very good coach with a niche (pack line defense). They don't play a brand of basketball that is particularly eye pleasing but they win.
Posted on 3/21/17 at 10:15 pm to djsdawg
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Failure in the past doesnt guarantee failure in the future.
Exactly. I am so tired of the "it could be worse mantra" as an excuse for not doing anything. That was expressed many times in the richt saga.
There are so many coaches that have turned around programs many of which were in worse shape than UGA Bball.
We just need to get one. Is that a rare bird? Perhaps. But programs can do that. But we can't if we continue to kick Fox down the road. The end game on Fox is what you have had for 8 years. There will be no epiphany, no sudden turn around in recruiting. Actually, the case for retaining Richt is much stronger than retaining Fox.
Get him gone, and let's get on with the rat killing.
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