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Posted on 7/19/15 at 12:27 am to SquatchDawg
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So you and your friends decide what should happen at your hunting club. Fair enough.
So gracious of you....
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If I bought Unicoi and decided I wanted to cut all the timber and build a theme park you good with that?
That would be some pretty high-priced timber.
Seems like a retarded investment, and it would never happen in a free society, but knock yourself out in your fantasy world.
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Or I buy Amicalola (sp?) Falls and decide to put up a gate and build a resort for only blue blood rich folk tourists with enough money?
How is that any different than what private property owners already do in Georgia? WHy is one scenario right, and the other wrong in your Karl Marx worldview? Where do you draw the line?
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You're taking the anti state thing too far
Speechless.............
Posted on 7/19/15 at 12:27 am to SquatchDawg
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Btw..GA USC on SEC channel
Last year? If so I'll pass. Thankfully in was blacked out by 4th quarter of that one.
Posted on 7/19/15 at 12:42 am to Jefferson Dawg
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Retarded investment
Yeah...that's why there are so many stretches of virgin timber left in the south
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Karl Marx worldview
So it's communist to think that we need to preserve some of our state's natural resources for the public enjoyment rather than turning them over to developers or Georgia Pacific...wow...can we get a Starbucks at Mistletoe State Park for the Scouts?
I guess in your world Jaime Diamond or the Chinese could buy whatever they want for whatever means. I guess Exxon could buy the Okeefenokee for drilling..
frick it...the poors don't need a place to fish or camp out...let's make rural Georgia Hilton Head. We can rent rooms from the Dalton Carpet Chief Vann House and rent luxury rooms at Sapelo Island Hilton resort.
Your wrong here and I can go as far down this rabbit hole as you can...
This post was edited on 7/19/15 at 12:45 am
Posted on 7/19/15 at 1:53 am to PNW
PNW, you have any experience with sand gnats?
Posted on 7/19/15 at 8:30 am to SquatchDawg
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So it's communist to think that we need to preserve some of our state's natural resources for the public enjoyment
By definition, it's called “socialism”.
And just like other socialists, notice how you have to try and demonize Freedom in order to make your point. And how you have to smear property owners and capitalism in order to rationalize your love of government control and subsidy.
Apparently, you would have us believe that only your savior, the government, can preserve the land. Apparently, if your saviors did not seize land and steal money from tax-payers to manage it, boogie men would immediately appear and would build Starbucks all over customer-less bum frick Egypt to try and sell coffee to the squirrels and deer. And the logging trucks would bypass cheaper opportunities and head straight for the most magestic scenic views and mountain peaks!.. with one hand out the window punching elk in the nuts as they go!!
Run for your lives!!!!!
Posted on 7/19/15 at 8:51 am to Jefferson Dawg
There are a lot of things that government should stay out of and when they get involved they do more harm than good. This area isn't one of them. Call it what you want to but I think that preserving these sites for all citizens to visit and enjoy rather than just a few people with money that can afford to buy acreage.
Parks are not profitable businesses....if they were there would be acres and acres of private parks and historic sites. But that doesn't happen. You planning on opening your hunting club for public camping and fishing?
Also...you do realize that there is almost no old growth timber stands left in the entire Southeast right? I mean you may not care but it will be nice for my kids to be able to visit places that consist of more than scrubby pines planted in rows.
Parks are not profitable businesses....if they were there would be acres and acres of private parks and historic sites. But that doesn't happen. You planning on opening your hunting club for public camping and fishing?
Also...you do realize that there is almost no old growth timber stands left in the entire Southeast right? I mean you may not care but it will be nice for my kids to be able to visit places that consist of more than scrubby pines planted in rows.
This post was edited on 7/19/15 at 9:06 am
Posted on 7/19/15 at 9:09 am to SquatchDawg
In Jefferson Dawg's World:
Unless you own property on a lake or river, you never get to take your little boy fishing.
I think that sucks.
Right now, the only places I can fish are public areas. In Jefferson's world, these places wouldnt' exist.
One more cast JD.....
Unless you own property on a lake or river, you never get to take your little boy fishing.
I think that sucks.
Right now, the only places I can fish are public areas. In Jefferson's world, these places wouldnt' exist.
One more cast JD.....
Posted on 7/19/15 at 9:33 am to deeprig9
Most historic sites were bought by the state because they were being threatened or falling into disrepair. Also...it takes a lot of money to maintain a 150 yr old house and it's not practical to keep it in its historic state.
People were literally digging into the Etowah mounds before they were protected looking for gold and other trinkets they could sell. Other mounds were plowed over for farming by people that didn't even know what they were. We're lucky Rock Eagle is part of a dozen houses foundations.
People were literally digging into the Etowah mounds before they were protected looking for gold and other trinkets they could sell. Other mounds were plowed over for farming by people that didn't even know what they were. We're lucky Rock Eagle is part of a dozen houses foundations.
This post was edited on 7/19/15 at 9:34 am
Posted on 7/19/15 at 11:54 am to SquatchDawg
I graduated from Warnell - BS in Forest Resources (park management was my focus)
Posted on 7/19/15 at 11:56 am to HinesvilleThrill
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PNW, you have any experience with sand gnats?
Yes
Every time I took my dogs to the beach when I still lived in GA I couldn't handle the amount of those and those fricking flies.
Posted on 7/19/15 at 12:02 pm to PNW
Ok so I'll go ahead and spill the beans. I was offered to work as a program leader for a community service type federal program in accordance with GSP&HS (domestic version of Peace Corps). I'll be dealing with volunteers in state parks along the southeast coast of Georgia. I'll basically be an ambassador, with my home park being Crooked River State Park in St Mary's. I do not have a "salary" or a "wage," but a stipend. The stipend isn't but a little above poverty level BUT I'm only 2 years from already obtaining my Bachelor degree. I feel like this is something I can grow from. Plus, the program is Aug 1 - July 31 and at the end of the program I get an educational award. The entire program is only 1700 hours.
the bad news: I won't be able to spend my Saturdays watching football
the bad news: I won't be able to spend my Saturdays watching football
This post was edited on 7/19/15 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 7/19/15 at 12:07 pm to deeprig9
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Unless you own property on a lake or river, you never get to take your little boy fishing.
Oh no!! I forgot bout THE CHILDREN?!?
Somebody do something! quote:
Right now, the only places I can fish are public areas. In Jefferson's world, these places wouldnt' exist
Actually in my world, a free world, you would have more and better places to take your boy fishing.
In my world, the feds give control of the national parks to the states where they are located......then the states sell all their parks to private entities......In my world, i get rid of property taxes for entities running the parks.....or for any land owner offering public access to their land for public use. Hell, get rid of ALL the taxes altogether on these people as incentives.
Access would explode everywhere. Then only the people that want to visit these places will pay the small fees to use them. Instead of the feds forcing everyone else to pay the bill and wasting tens of millionss a year. Not to mention that when parks or anything are ran like a business and are forced to earn a profit, everything magically improves.
Let freedom ring!!!
Posted on 7/19/15 at 12:15 pm to Jefferson Dawg
I literally don't know a single private land owner that would waive his taxes to let the public have free range on their land. That's the whole point of having private land. Please tell me you aren't this frickin dumb and naive in real life.
Posted on 7/19/15 at 12:36 pm to Spunky
I never said anything about someone giving the public "free range over private land". It's pretty awkward and hilarious that you would somehow interpret it that way.
Posted on 7/19/15 at 1:43 pm to Jefferson Dawg
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.or for any land owner offering public access to their land for public use
Posted on 7/19/15 at 2:11 pm to Spunky
This thread has become ridiculous. crooked river state park is small but nice. Great location for fishing in the river or in the inter coastal. You are just a few minutes by boat to the jetties at Cumberland sound for some nice drum fishing. Shrimping is also fun if you can throw a net.
Posted on 7/19/15 at 2:26 pm to Spunky
Sigh…..
Again, I said nothing about giving free-range of your private property to the general public.
What I had in mind would be an example like more landowners having an incentive to lease parts of their currently unused land to hunting clubs. More hunting clubs means more hunters and more competition for members….. which means lower membership fees and also more incentive for the landowners to improve habitats to attract the game which attracts the members. Everybody/thing wins. And there's other ways too.
Hell. During my time in Athens I had three holes I fished within maybe 25 minutes of town. They were just ponds on people’s private land that had a locked mailbox with a note saying it was $5 dollars per person per day and to watch out for water snakes by the bridge. I don’t think I ever saw the owners except maybe once or twice.
So, if the couple hundred bucks they make a year was worth it to them for allowing some public access, then I’m pretty sure becoming qualified to have zero taxes stolen from them would also be a good incentive.
Again, I said nothing about giving free-range of your private property to the general public.
What I had in mind would be an example like more landowners having an incentive to lease parts of their currently unused land to hunting clubs. More hunting clubs means more hunters and more competition for members….. which means lower membership fees and also more incentive for the landowners to improve habitats to attract the game which attracts the members. Everybody/thing wins. And there's other ways too.
Hell. During my time in Athens I had three holes I fished within maybe 25 minutes of town. They were just ponds on people’s private land that had a locked mailbox with a note saying it was $5 dollars per person per day and to watch out for water snakes by the bridge. I don’t think I ever saw the owners except maybe once or twice.
So, if the couple hundred bucks they make a year was worth it to them for allowing some public access, then I’m pretty sure becoming qualified to have zero taxes stolen from them would also be a good incentive.
Posted on 7/19/15 at 2:26 pm to Broncothor
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This thread has become ridiculous
How so?
Why is Freedom ridiculous to you? Please share.
Posted on 7/19/15 at 2:46 pm to Jefferson Dawg
Interesting read on the 15,000 people that were kicked off their land in the '30s to make way for Shenandoah National Park....
LINK.....
But, hey....at least we have a park now to take our kids so they can feed wonder bread to "wild" deer, right?
LINK.....
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CCC members were sent to burn down the homes of mountaineers who refused to vacate their land... required giving federal agents unlimited power. The Hoover administration had promised that the vast majority of residents would not be required to vacate, but the Roosevelt administration reneged.
When I often hiked the park’s trails and back areas as a Boy Scout, I did not realize that some of the standalone chimneys I saw were lonely reminders of the CCC vendetta.
But, hey....at least we have a park now to take our kids so they can feed wonder bread to "wild" deer, right?
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