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Posted on 4/11/17 at 4:05 pm to fibonaccisquared
Posted on 4/11/17 at 4:05 pm to fibonaccisquared
Didn't say that airlines were the only ones who did it. However, the businesses that do it are still committing fraud. They are simply given a license to do so by the government. If anyone tried it without said license, they're fricked.
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Posted on 4/11/17 at 4:20 pm to DawgsLife
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I am guessing you have never ordered anything from a store and it was "Out of stock"?
Not a valid comparison. The store can't sell what it doesn't have. There would either be no sale, or they can also ask if you will accept a back order. It also ignores stuff like "First in time, first in right." The guy paid for his seat and got seated. Tough shite for anyone who comes after him.
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The carriage contract says they have a one year period of time to get the passenger from point "A" to point "B". I realize this seems stupid, but that is what it is.
Fine, that's what it says. Pretty sure it's going to be a bit vague about "However, at our sole discretion, we may use third parties to commit battery and false imprisonment upon you in the event we frick up and don't have enough seats after already taking your money and seating you."
The simple fact is, all sorts of plaintiff's lawyers are going to be salivating at this one, and United's are not.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 4:54 pm to FaCubeItches
So, you are in favor of paying up to 50% more so that 1 out of 200,000 passengers doesn't get bumped from a flight? You sir, are a moron.
This post was edited on 4/11/17 at 4:56 pm
Posted on 4/11/17 at 5:39 pm to Barstools
Where are you getting these numbers?
Posted on 4/11/17 at 5:45 pm to DawgsLife
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am guessing you have never ordered anything from a store and it was "Out of stock"?
A valid comparison is you buying the tv and putting it in your car and then they knock on your door and take the tv away from you while giving you a bloody lip, right?
Posted on 4/11/17 at 6:09 pm to djsdawg
The article I read yesterday said 0.066 per 10,000. The one I'm finding today says 0.66 which is obviously a large difference. They had delta at 0.1 per 10,000 yesterday.
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Still trying to find the one I read yesterday where I got my numbers from. Will update accordingly.
ETA: AJC also quoting delta second best at 0.1. Which is what I read yesterday. Same article said United was the best at only 0.066. Maybe the article I read was off by factor of 10. Highly possible. Still can't locate the article.
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The industry had just over 40,000 involuntary bumps out of nearly 660 million passengers in 2016, according to the transportation department. The rate of 0.62 involuntary denied boardings per 10,000 passengers in 2016 beat the 2015 rate of 0.73 and the previous low, set in 2002, of 0.72.
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Still trying to find the one I read yesterday where I got my numbers from. Will update accordingly.
ETA: AJC also quoting delta second best at 0.1. Which is what I read yesterday. Same article said United was the best at only 0.066. Maybe the article I read was off by factor of 10. Highly possible. Still can't locate the article.
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Delta Air Lines had 1,238 involuntarily bumped passengers in 2016, a rate of 0.1 per 10,000 passengers. That was the second-best rate among U.S. airlines.
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This post was edited on 4/11/17 at 6:33 pm
Posted on 4/11/17 at 6:35 pm to Barstools
I am talking about your ticket price numbers.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 6:48 pm to djsdawg
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Where are you getting these numbers?
UGA grad. Numbers ain't his thang.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 6:50 pm to djsdawg
Same article, still looking. I didn't pull them out of my arse...
Their 200 number came from a round-trip price of $400.
Their 200 number came from a round-trip price of $400.
This post was edited on 4/11/17 at 6:54 pm
Posted on 4/11/17 at 7:09 pm to Peter Buck
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The pilots would have been flying confirmed space. Lots of rules governing that. They should have never let the pax board. That's the issue. A lot easier to take the seat away when they are in the gate.
Once they board the plane that fricker should leave the gate and go wherever it is going. if they knew when they started removing old boy they knew when they were boarding.
Old boys 'bout to get paid....if United has any value left LOL...they lost about $250 Million on paper today
Posted on 4/11/17 at 7:11 pm to meansonny
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And you might not be concerned with a 5 hour delay for that next flight, but the airline takes delays seriously. Lost revenue is always serious.
The airline must not take it too seriously if they don't have someone to drive the next flight....
The greatest evil is failing to plan on the part of the airlines management.....everything else is just a sympton of the disease
Posted on 4/11/17 at 7:55 pm to Barstools
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Their 200 number came from a round-trip price of $400.
So I get how much of a discount off a $400 flight thanks to overbooking?
I still don't see how overbooking happens when you pick the seat you sit in and the next person can't pick that same seat.
This post was edited on 4/11/17 at 7:56 pm
Posted on 4/11/17 at 8:01 pm to germandawg
This story gets more bizarre by the moment. So the latest is that he was convicted of issuing fraudulent prescriptions several years ago and also purportedly exchanged drugs for sex, resulting in his medical license being suspended. Also, he evidently won some money playing professional poker. Just interesting footnotes to an already strange story. LINK LINK
Posted on 4/11/17 at 8:03 pm to germandawg
The universal outrage over this story says all you need to know about how doomed we are.
There was a time in this country (that I read about in a dusty old history book).....where the right of a private property owner to kick someone off his fricking own damn property was celebrated.
I hate you people.
There was a time in this country (that I read about in a dusty old history book).....where the right of a private property owner to kick someone off his fricking own damn property was celebrated.
I hate you people.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 8:30 pm to djsdawg
I buy tickets all the time at the last minute. Your can confirm class, but not a seat. Because a reserved person is already in it and they also hold some back for Air Marshals and positive space employees. You're confirmed on the flight. But don't have a seat assignment. On Delta, you will get it at the gate.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 9:21 pm to Jefferson Dawg
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There was a time in this country (that I read about in a dusty old history book).....where the right of a private property owner to kick someone off his fricking own damn property was celebrated.
They should've held a proxy vote on whether or not to kick the Chinaman off the plane.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 10:02 pm to Jefferson Dawg
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I hate you people.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 1:14 am to djsdawg
So, the way it was presented is that the airlines get multiple revenues per seat.
There are many people that book a seat and then don't show up and/or don't cancel within the alloted refund period. Since the airline has overbooked, they are able to fill that seat -- it has already sold. The airline maintains a full flight.
The parties that fail to show or cancel properly have forfeited their original payment. Additionally, they are charged a hefty fee to reschedule. If they dont reschedule, they must rebook their trip. And the cycle continues.
Since I am unable to cite the source I understand if you think I'm full of shite. However, I can assure you I'm not knowledgeable enough about the business model to fabricate this on my own.
Take my word for it, or don't. I will accept my lumps for failure to provide a source. But I can promise you I didn't pull all of this out of my arse.
There are many people that book a seat and then don't show up and/or don't cancel within the alloted refund period. Since the airline has overbooked, they are able to fill that seat -- it has already sold. The airline maintains a full flight.
The parties that fail to show or cancel properly have forfeited their original payment. Additionally, they are charged a hefty fee to reschedule. If they dont reschedule, they must rebook their trip. And the cycle continues.
Since I am unable to cite the source I understand if you think I'm full of shite. However, I can assure you I'm not knowledgeable enough about the business model to fabricate this on my own.
Take my word for it, or don't. I will accept my lumps for failure to provide a source. But I can promise you I didn't pull all of this out of my arse.
This post was edited on 4/12/17 at 1:18 am
Posted on 4/12/17 at 5:15 am to Whiznot
They removed him to make room for flight crews that needed to get to another city. So United has no other means to shuttle crews other than to bump paying customers from their seats?
This is a PR fiasco for the airline that will cost millions to settle. They should have upped the ante to passengers, and done it at the gate, in order to avoid this. I'm sure the individual that was removed will get a lot of free flights for the rest of his life, and United policies will change.
This is a PR fiasco for the airline that will cost millions to settle. They should have upped the ante to passengers, and done it at the gate, in order to avoid this. I'm sure the individual that was removed will get a lot of free flights for the rest of his life, and United policies will change.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 6:08 am to Peter Buck
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I wonder if United's agent made it clear that this was an IDB situation and what $$ would be given to whoever was pulled off?
From what I have read (And who knows if what we are reading is accurate) they were made offers. ($800, hotel, etc) and were turned down. Then once the plane was boarded (Shouldn't have waited that long) they chose 4 passengers to remove from the flight. As the four got off the aircraft, they told them what they would receive. Somewhere along the line, the doctor ran back onto the airplane and sat back down in his seat, and refused to get off the airplane again.
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