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Posted on 4/10/17 at 11:44 am
Posted on 4/10/17 at 11:44 am
New conspiracy theory - United Airlines employees shorted the company stock before forcibly beating and removing a paying customer and posting the video on social media.
I mean, no one could be that stupid on purpose could they?
I mean, no one could be that stupid on purpose could they?
This post was edited on 4/10/17 at 11:45 am
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Posted on 4/10/17 at 2:30 pm to Whiznot
The police "removed" him forcibly because he didn't comply. This is going to be an interesting situation as they technically had the right to remove him. The flight was overweight and no one volunteered.
Frankly, though, he will get Ivoluntary Denied Boarding which is a good deal other than getting taken off the plane.
Frankly, though, he will get Ivoluntary Denied Boarding which is a good deal other than getting taken off the plane.
Posted on 4/10/17 at 5:14 pm to Peter Buck
Of course, the airlines are allowed to commit rampant fraud by selling stuff (seats) that they actually don't have. Further, since they do most of their sales via the internet, each one is also an act of wire fraud, which would otherwise put them in RICO territory.
Posted on 4/10/17 at 5:20 pm to FaCubeItches
The only reason seats are relatively cheap is because they are allowed to oversell. If they weren't, seats would be much more expensive.
Posted on 4/10/17 at 6:17 pm to Peter Buck
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The flight was overweight and no one volunteered.
I don't get why they waited until the plane was boarded before they started making offers. I've never heard of it done that way, but then again, United is the worst airline, so I'm not super surprised.
Honestly, I hope this guy sues for millions and wins.
Posted on 4/10/17 at 7:07 pm to Barstools
Yeah, kind of like how taking stuff from a store is cheaper than buying it. If you have to buy it, it's much more expensive.
Posted on 4/10/17 at 7:08 pm to FinleyStreet
The really fun one would have been if his patient had suffered some sort of irreparable harm. Those kind of lawsuits can frick up even major companies.
Posted on 4/10/17 at 7:24 pm to FaCubeItches
We pay less because the airlines make a significant amount of revenue by people not showing for flights and being able to keep the revenue and also maintain a full flight. We, the customers, would play more of they didn't use this practice. It's a good thing.
Posted on 4/10/17 at 7:28 pm to Barstools
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It's a good thing.
It's not a good thing when it results in shite like this happening. It's also blatant fraud.
Posted on 4/10/17 at 7:32 pm to Barstools
United should have offered enough compensation to induce someone to give up his seat. Why stop at $800? This fiasco is going to cost United much more than $800.
Posted on 4/10/17 at 7:40 pm to Peter Buck
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The flight was overweight and no one volunteered.
So...the flight was overweight but the removal of ONE GUY suddenly brought them to a safe weight....in a modern jet aircraft??
Unless this was a 4 place Cherokee there's no way they're working with tolerances that tight.
Posted on 4/10/17 at 7:43 pm to HTDawg
If you don't understand basic economics I can't help you. Paying less is always good.
Also, United had to involuntarily bump 0.066 per 10,000 passengers last year. It's not like it's that common.
Tickets would be $200+ more a piece if airlines were not allowed to overbook.
Also, United had to involuntarily bump 0.066 per 10,000 passengers last year. It's not like it's that common.
Tickets would be $200+ more a piece if airlines were not allowed to overbook.
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Posted on 4/10/17 at 7:45 pm to Whiznot
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they handled this situation properly. Merely pointing out to the people crying about fraud, that for the average passenger, this is far and away a good thing.
Unless of course you fly 200,000 times a year. Then you will be inconvenienced once...
Unless of course you fly 200,000 times a year. Then you will be inconvenienced once...
This post was edited on 4/10/17 at 7:47 pm
Posted on 4/10/17 at 8:28 pm to FaCubeItches
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Of course, the airlines are allowed to commit rampant fraud by selling stuff (seats) that they actually don't have. Further, since they do most of their sales via the internet, each one is also an act of wire fraud, which would otherwise put them in RICO territory.
He should call the law offices of James McGill.
Posted on 4/10/17 at 9:26 pm to Whiznot
Thank God he was white.
Posted on 4/10/17 at 9:45 pm to Peter Buck
It wasn't police. It was airport security.
Also, the flight wasn't overweight. They overbooked and had personnel they wanted to go to Louisville for work.
Also, the flight wasn't overweight. They overbooked and had personnel they wanted to go to Louisville for work.
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Posted on 4/10/17 at 10:10 pm to Peter Buck
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This is going to be an interesting situation as they technically had the right to remove him.
News is leaking out it was 4 crew from another airline who were causing the 4 spots to be bumped, hence, they were not removed for other citizen passengers.
Also interesting that the 4 "randomly" selected all had the lowest fares. Pretty sure nobody got removed from 1st class.
Posted on 4/10/17 at 10:17 pm to HinesvilleThrill
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Thank God he was white.
Actually, he was asian (and a doctor no less)
Posted on 4/11/17 at 6:22 am to Whiznot
At this point, I bet United just wished they had hired a driver to take the crew the 4.5 hours from Chicago to Louisville. Hell, offering that dude his own private jet ride would have been cheaper at this point.
I've been on a few business flights that were overbooked and it's always made me think. On a business flight, no way in hell could you make me deboard that plane; I hate traveling and you're either keeping from my destination or keeping me from getting home, not doing it. If, however, I was traveling with my wife and they offered a voucher north of $1,000 and a hotel stay, then I'd be willing to negotiate. My only demands are that I have to stay in a Marriott, Marriott Signature Hotel, or Ritz Carlton. Hate to be a dick, but when I pay for a hotel then I'm going to stay in a nice place, if you're going to inconvenience me then you're not making me stay in a fricking Days Inn.
I've been on a few business flights that were overbooked and it's always made me think. On a business flight, no way in hell could you make me deboard that plane; I hate traveling and you're either keeping from my destination or keeping me from getting home, not doing it. If, however, I was traveling with my wife and they offered a voucher north of $1,000 and a hotel stay, then I'd be willing to negotiate. My only demands are that I have to stay in a Marriott, Marriott Signature Hotel, or Ritz Carlton. Hate to be a dick, but when I pay for a hotel then I'm going to stay in a nice place, if you're going to inconvenience me then you're not making me stay in a fricking Days Inn.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 7:08 am to crispyUGA
Smaller commercial jets regularly fly with open seats...especially when it is warm. There is a sliding scale based on a number of factors that gives you your max take off load. Human weight is part of it based on average weight of a human and bags. This is the ONLY situation where I have seen a plane with boarded PAX being removed. It causes situations like the one in this story, but not as severe in some cases. They will remove non revenue pax first and then by lowest fares.
What I have never seen ( I fly mainly Delta when commercial) is a revenue pax being pulled off a plane after already boarding to make room for non rev employee. Even if they are space positive. If they really did remove this guy for THAT reason, then, he has a better case. Still, once you are on a plane, it's best to follow the instructions of the crew as you are supposed to by law. Even if you don't like it.
The cat in this story will actually make out well from this from a lawsuit standpoint, but technically, if they tell you to get off, you need to get off... no matter how right you think you are... I get that snowflakes think rules don't apply to them if they think they are right, but that is not the case in big boy world.
One thing the Airline may not have properly explained or attempted to do was let the pax they were removing know that they were being Involuntarily Denied Boarding, which gets you a lot more then just some miles. If they did not let the PAX know this, then the FAA could step in and fine the airline.
What I have never seen ( I fly mainly Delta when commercial) is a revenue pax being pulled off a plane after already boarding to make room for non rev employee. Even if they are space positive. If they really did remove this guy for THAT reason, then, he has a better case. Still, once you are on a plane, it's best to follow the instructions of the crew as you are supposed to by law. Even if you don't like it.
The cat in this story will actually make out well from this from a lawsuit standpoint, but technically, if they tell you to get off, you need to get off... no matter how right you think you are... I get that snowflakes think rules don't apply to them if they think they are right, but that is not the case in big boy world.
One thing the Airline may not have properly explained or attempted to do was let the pax they were removing know that they were being Involuntarily Denied Boarding, which gets you a lot more then just some miles. If they did not let the PAX know this, then the FAA could step in and fine the airline.
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