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Posted on 11/6/15 at 10:25 am to MacDawg
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So most likely there will be only 2 top 10, 3 top 20 rankings for Georgia in the past 7 years. Is that acceptable to you?
No. Our defense has been the main culprit there. Our defense is trending up in major way, both in on field performance and recruiting. You have to believe our struggles on offense are due to the QB situation and our OC just not doing a good job.
I want to see a competent OC come in with a guy like Eason and see what happens. In the early 2000s, we were clicking with BVG as DC. Then our Dcoordinators started sucking big donkey D. Pruitt has us getting back to a dominant defense, so I want to see us tweak our offensive philosophy. Cleaning house seems so silly.
Posted on 11/6/15 at 10:26 am to ATLdawg25
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Our defense has been the main culprit there.
The o has played a fairly big role in that as well.
Posted on 11/6/15 at 10:29 am to ATLdawg25
If you let there be, there will always be an excuse. I am sure you were one of the ones making excuses for Richt in 2009 and 2010. What did that get us? We are in the same spot now we were then. So five years from now, when we are in the same spot again, will you still be making the same excuses?
Posted on 11/6/15 at 10:29 am to djsdawg
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The o has played a fairly big role in that as well.
Your contention is with 2009-present. In that time, we have consistently had top 20 offenses (this year notwithstanding). Offense has been fine.
Posted on 11/6/15 at 10:32 am to MacDawg
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If you let there be, there will always be an excuse.
give me a surefire replacement at HC and I wouldn't give a shite if Richt leaves. Recruiting is rolling and trending up. Last offseason saw a rash of additional hires and staff improvements, IPF plans.
Get rid of Richt and unless you bring in an established HC, you lose a lot of the progress that started last offseason. Malcolm Mitchell said it in an interview last week - there were major changes last year, and it is a slower process than most would like. But the trend is in place. If we're going to blow it up, it better be for something that we reasonably expect to pan out. That means opening the checkbook when making the next hire, and we all know that won't happen.
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I am sure you were one of the ones making excuses for Richt in 2009 and 2010. What did that get us? We are in the same spot now we were then. So five years from now, when we are in the same spot again, will you still be making the same excuses?
No. I wasn't.
This post was edited on 11/6/15 at 10:34 am
Posted on 11/6/15 at 10:37 am to MacDawg
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Just because you have x number of posts doesn't make your opinion more valid than anyone else. In fact, in my years of posting on many message boards, I have learned that some of the more frequent posters happen to also be some of the dumbest posters. So if you truly think the number of posts equates to intelligence or objectivity, you might want to remove your head from your arse.
What the hell are you talking about.
Posted on 11/6/15 at 10:37 am to ATLdawg25
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The o has played a fairly big role in that as well.
Your contention is with 2009-present. In that time, we have consistently had top 20 offenses (this year notwithstanding). Offense has been fine.
Offense has struggled in nearly all of our losses in this time period.
Posted on 11/6/15 at 10:41 am to ATLdawg25
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Get rid of Richt and unless you bring in an established HC, you lose a lot of the progress that started last offseason.
We are investing a ton of money into staff and facilities no matter who the coach is and we will sign a top 10 class as usual.
Posted on 11/6/15 at 10:42 am to DawgRff
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What the hell are you talking about.
That wasn't directed at you.
Posted on 11/6/15 at 10:43 am to djsdawg
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Offense has struggled in nearly all of our losses in this time period.
Anecdotal evidence doesn't indicate a trend for the period. Our offense hasn't played well in specific games, but that's true for all programs. Alabama's offense has been pedestrian in some of the recent years, but their defense has more than made up for it.
Posted on 11/6/15 at 10:46 am to ATLdawg25
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give me a surefire replacement at HC and I wouldn't give a shite if Richt leaves. Recruiting is rolling and trending up. Last offseason saw a rash of additional hires and staff improvements, IPF plans. Get rid of Richt and unless you bring in an established HC, you lose a lot of the progress that started last offseason. Malcolm Mitchell said it in an interview last week - there were major changes last year, and it is a slower process than most would like. But the trend is in place. If we're going to blow it up, it better be for something that we reasonably expect to pan out. That means opening the checkbook when making the next hire, and we all know that won't happen.
Sorry. I have lost all faith and trust in Richt. Maybe you are right. From my eyes, he's not the guy to get it done and it is time to move on. He's had 15 years and the program is not moving in a positive direction. In fact, it is going backwards.
If the rumors are true and Pruitt is out, you can add a couple of years to any timetable you have because there will be the adjustment to a new coach / system. And then something else will happen. And this or that.
Time to move on.
Posted on 11/6/15 at 10:47 am to djsdawg
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We are investing a ton of money into staff and facilities no matter who the coach is and we will sign a top 10 class as usual.
As I said before - if there was guaranteed continuity and we were 100% positive there would be no drop-off, then by all means get rid of Richt.
Taking into account our notoriously stingy AD, I am not convinced that we would make a hire that would guarantee that.
Posted on 11/6/15 at 10:49 am to ATLdawg25
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Anecdotal evidence doesn't indicate a trend for the period. Our offense hasn't played well in specific games, but that's true for all programs. Alabama's offense has been pedestrian in some of the recent years, but their defense has more than made up for it.
It does indicate what plays a role in wins and losses, and thats what ultimately matters. Our O stats might be better than Bama's in most years, but their O doesnt play as big of a role in their losses either. When they lose, its a close game. When we lose, both our O and D stink it up in embarrassing fashion.
Posted on 11/6/15 at 10:52 am to ATLdawg25
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As I said before - if there was guaranteed continuity and we were 100% positive there would be no drop-off, then by all means get rid of Richt.
No such things as guarantees, so thats a silly idea. Did you feel this way back in 2000? We had more room to drop then than we do now, but we didnt settle out of fear, and we reaped the benefits of striving for better.
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Taking into account our notoriously stingy AD,
That left last offseason. Why do you think its all of a sudden gonna come back?
Posted on 11/6/15 at 10:56 am to djsdawg
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Our O stats might be better than Bama's in most years, but their O doesnt play as big of a role in their losses either.
I'm not sure why you're arguing then...we agree that a strong D is a prerequisite for a good team. We haven't had a reliably strong defense in years.
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When they lose, its a close game. When we lose, both our O and D stink it up in embarrassing fashion.
You're generalizing our losses, but still...if we had a defense of Bama's caliber, our losses would be close too.
My point is that your offense can't be clicking every single game, but we have been damn consistent on that side of the ball. Our defense has ranged from average to downright bad. That is a combination that leads to some blowout losses.
Posted on 11/6/15 at 11:02 am to ATLdawg25
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I'm not sure why you're arguing then...we agree that a strong D is a prerequisite for a good team. We haven't had a reliably strong defense in years.
You need a consistent and reliable O as well. We haven't had that.
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You're generalizing our losses,
We have blowout losses every year. Bama doesnt.
Posted on 11/6/15 at 11:05 am to djsdawg
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Taking into account our notoriously stingy AD,
That left last offseason. Why do you think its all of a sudden gonna come back?
Athletic Department, not Director. In 2000, we took a chance on an OC who had no HC experience, and it panned out IMMEDIATELY. That's what people will expect this time, and it just isn't a reasonable. People are acting like we have hit rock bottom - and we could still go 9-3 this year.
9-3 or even 8-4 with no quarterback, losing Chubb, playing a million true freshman on both sides of the ball...that is not rock bottom. We have lost to 3 teams that were better than us this year. If we lose a couple more games, then I will fully endorse cleaning house. I'm just not there yet.
I can't keep doing this, so this will be my last response. You bring up good points, and I enjoy arguing this stuff.
Posted on 11/6/15 at 11:06 am to ATLdawg25
We were consistent on offense until Schotty was brought in ... a Richt hire. And all these QBs were recruited and developed under Richt. I thought he was good at QB development. What happened to them? These things all fall at Richt's feet. There is no indication that there will not be some other issue that we will be talking about next year .... or the year after ... or the year after that.
And here is the big thing, IMO. Even when things were moving in the right direction under Richt, there was always one or two loss every season that just should not have happened. Those inexplicable losses will continue to happen and we will never win a Championship as a result because the system almost requires perfection. The play-0ff helps a little but it will still be a big issue.
The biggest one that sticks in my mind and still bugs me was the Tenn loss in 2007. That cost us a chance to play for the National Championship.
Time to move on.
And here is the big thing, IMO. Even when things were moving in the right direction under Richt, there was always one or two loss every season that just should not have happened. Those inexplicable losses will continue to happen and we will never win a Championship as a result because the system almost requires perfection. The play-0ff helps a little but it will still be a big issue.
The biggest one that sticks in my mind and still bugs me was the Tenn loss in 2007. That cost us a chance to play for the National Championship.
Time to move on.
This post was edited on 11/6/15 at 11:09 am
Posted on 11/6/15 at 11:14 am to ATLdawg25
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That's what people will expect this time, and it just isn't a reasonable.
Its reasonable if the previous coach left a lot of talent to work with. Donnan provided that. Has Richt failed at doing the same?
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Athletic Department, not Director
All in the same. We are spending money now and will no matter who the coach is.
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