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re: Kirby's Vision....
Posted on 9/30/16 at 4:37 pm to Chris_topher
Posted on 9/30/16 at 4:37 pm to Chris_topher
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How many 4 & 5 star DL are in each recruiting class? How many are on the current roster? If you go next level in depth analysis, the Dawgs are fckn stacked
But for this team this year, it's a glaring issue.
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Posted on 9/30/16 at 4:41 pm to Peter Buck
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stating that they also had attrition due to transfer at a high rate, lost a few to the NFL, and have a few that don't contribute.
But you aren't accounting for the quality of those players.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 4:51 pm to Peter Buck
How many recruits from past 4 years have left or kicked off of team
Posted on 9/30/16 at 5:19 pm to Buddy2012
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How many recruits from past 4 years have left or kicked off of team
This. Richt's teams seem to have an uncanny level of attrition for a variety of reasons.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 8:48 pm to Buddy2012
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Kirby's Vision.... by Buddy2012
How many recruits from past 4 years have left or kicked off of team
Perhaps more importantly, how good are the guys who stayed? Peter thinks that doesn't matter.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 9:11 pm to djsdawg
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Perhaps more importantly, how good are the guys who stayed? Peter thinks that doesn't matter.
I am not authorized to speak for Peter.
But I would assume his point is that with our shittiest 3 star 3rd stringers, we should beat the dog shite out of Nicholls St. We should not have 45 unanswered points against us at Ole Miss. We should not have been in a dog fight against Mizzou.
I'm in agreement that recruiting has been lacking for a long time here.
But there is a coaching issue as well. Kirby is new, so he gets a honeymoon period on coaching. But he damn well be recruiting in the top 5 right out of the gate.. which he seems to be so far.
My hope is we don't go total dumpster fire and lose some of the 5 stars on the radar.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 9:20 pm to deeprig9
No need to distract him Jefferson. He has enough issues from his playing days.
Ole miss was a perfect mismatch exacerbated by our other weakness'. Thankfully our guys didn't quit, or it would have been 59-0.
Nicholls was a stubborn experiment gone wrong exacerbated by chubb and iMac fumbles, and more WR drops, and awful kickers.
Ole miss was a perfect mismatch exacerbated by our other weakness'. Thankfully our guys didn't quit, or it would have been 59-0.
Nicholls was a stubborn experiment gone wrong exacerbated by chubb and iMac fumbles, and more WR drops, and awful kickers.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 9:21 pm to deeprig9
Some of the kids on the OL/DL who were at the OM game said that the loss only underscored the need for impact players, and that they were told by the coaches how much they were needed.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 9:40 pm to Buddy2012
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ow many recruits from past 4 years have left or kicked off of team
I don't know to be honest. If you recall, I have always been rather vocal that our "team" and "University" rules have been more aggressive than our peers which lead to what appeared to be unecessary attrition and suspensions. I was hoping that would change with Kirbs. Not sure we can rule on that yet. I can't imagine it will be worse. Not only did that affect our attrition rate, but it was used against us in recruiting. It may have helped with some whose parents were sold on it, but I think it was a net loss.
My point was that the 2013 class was being used as an excuse for any of Kirbs coaching/team ills. While isolated, it looks bad... When side by side by the national champs, a little more perspective is given to the natural attrition and miss rate of recruits. Bamas class had more successful 4'year players, but it was not a windfall as evidenced by the data.
..and our overall talent is significantly better than Nicholls State, yet they were coached up pretty well and made it a game. This happens all the time at all levels of sports. I don't understand why a few here seem to not be able to grasp this concept.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 9:55 pm to Peter Buck
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When side by side by the national champs,
If you ignore the quality of player left behind from those classes. Remember when richt missed on Reuben foster more than once?
Posted on 9/30/16 at 10:04 pm to djsdawg
I'm not ignoring them dipshit. I clearly stated they had better players. The point is, it isn't like they didn't go through a similar type of attrition and fail rate. Richt missed on Foster and Henry that year... He missed on Kamara too... Having better players helps, no doubt... you still need to coach tho... He has enough good players to beat the piss out of Nicholls a state and to not get arse raped by Ole Miss... That's all...
Posted on 9/30/16 at 10:13 pm to Peter Buck
Can you cite examples of when a coach, one we consider good in hindsight, came into a program and had immediate success with the previous regime's players?
It doesn't happen. Why do you think that is?
It doesn't happen. Why do you think that is?
Posted on 9/30/16 at 10:32 pm to Peter Buck
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not ignoring them dip shite. I clearly stated they had better players. The point is, it isn't like they didn't go through a similar type of attrition and fail rate. Richt missed on Foster and Henry that year... He missed on Kamara too... Having better players helps, no doubt... you still need to coach tho...
Are you claiming I missed you acknowledging the difference in talent? Point me towards that. If we had 5 1st round guys from that class, we would be playing much better.
The starter attrition % is not similar btw. They have more starters with less signed.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 10:44 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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Can you cite examples of when a coach, one we consider good in hindsight, came into a program and had immediate success with the previous regime's players? It doesn't happen. Why do you think that is?
John Robinson
Barry Switzer
Chris Peterson
Urban Meyer
You want more?
Posted on 9/30/16 at 10:46 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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Can you cite examples of when a coach, one we consider good in hindsight, came into a program and had immediate success with the previous regime's players?
Well he isn't very good but Malzahn went to a national championship his first year. Dublin went 11-2 and beat the eventual national champs his first year at A&M. Tom Herman is in his second year at Houston and has lost ONE game.
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It doesn't happen
Or it does. Face it...so far Kirby has done a mediocre job producing a good product on the field. Richt has lost control of Kirby's coaching skills.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 11:19 pm to SneakyWaff1es
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so far Kirby has done a mediocre job producing a good product on the field. Richt has lost control of Kirby's coaching skills.
Just like richt did the year before. Maybe we didn't upgrade a coach, so hopefully we upgraded a recruiter, a program builder.
This post was edited on 9/30/16 at 11:28 pm
Posted on 10/1/16 at 12:08 am to mmmmmbeeer
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Can you cite examples of when a coach, one we consider good in hindsight, came into a program and had immediate success with the previous regime's players?
Urban Meyer comes to mind - both at Florida and Ohio State.
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