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Posted on 7/21/15 at 8:47 pm to WG_Dawg
Posted on 7/21/15 at 8:47 pm to WG_Dawg
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advocated civil disobedience.
Actually he advocated breaking the law. Whether the laws were just or not, they were the law. The courts or the ballot box is where they should be challenged and/or changed.
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Posted on 7/21/15 at 8:48 pm to Jefferson Dawg
Sorry for the delay I'm at work. Again I don't want to be the voice of all African Americans. There is plenty ignorance amongst Americans period yes black, white, Hispanic etc. I am not afraid of the confederate flag. I understand what it represents but I am not oblivious to its perception. Jefferson you make a valid point however I find it hard to believe that in America the first thing that comes to people's mind is the things you listed. Yes our country has had some darker times but at the end of the day there is no country I would rather be part of. I love my country and have loss both loved ones and friends defending the rights we all enjoy. I have a right to an opinion and If I had to deal with consequences for protecting something that means a lot to me I am willing to do that. If you interpret that as unpatriotic that is fine like I said you have a right to an opinion also.
Posted on 7/21/15 at 8:49 pm to WG_Dawg
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the unveiling of the Martin Luther King, Jr. statue.
an adulterer who cheated on his wife and advocated civil disobedience. That's who the blacks revere and extoll.
seiyge
he was also a socialist
Posted on 7/21/15 at 8:54 pm to dcbl
Martin Luther King Jr was not a perfect man but I challenge you to find someone who is. Blacks... Your People... I don't understand these type of comments skin color doesn't depict how American or Southern you are. I would never say whites or your people because to me all I see is americans. I haven't deployed 4 times for "My People" or Blacks rights. I deployed for Americans freedom. For people I will never meet, people I can't stand, my family etc.
Posted on 7/21/15 at 9:00 pm to AFDawg11
Lastly I think the flag being outside government buildings, state parks etc... Has a simple solution We as Americans vote on the issue and majority rules. If its what the people want then it should stay if not then it should go. Hell they don't even say the Pledge of Allegiance in schools anymore so It wouldn't surprise me if they took all the confederate flags down.
Posted on 7/21/15 at 9:10 pm to AFDawg11
You deployed because some general said it was time for your unit to deploy. It's not like you bought a ticket on a commercial jet to go fight those crazy Muslims!
How many times are you going to let us know you're in the military by the way? We get it. It has absolutely no bearing on this conversation. Your status as a military member adds zero weight to your opinion regarding a carving in a mountain.
How many times are you going to let us know you're in the military by the way? We get it. It has absolutely no bearing on this conversation. Your status as a military member adds zero weight to your opinion regarding a carving in a mountain.
Posted on 7/21/15 at 9:19 pm to Jefferson Dawg
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and then compare them to the beliefs of Abrahama Lincoln, Grant, or Sherman
Fun fact: President Grant wanted to (and almost did) purchase the present day Dominican Republic and ship off all 4 million or so african-americans in the states down there to live. He believed whites and blacks would never coexist.
Posted on 7/21/15 at 9:56 pm to AFDawg11
We still say the Plege in Georgia.
Posted on 7/21/15 at 10:00 pm to AFDawg11
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Has a simple solution We as Americans vote on the issue and majority rules. If its what the people want then it should stay if not then it should go.
This country is a Constitutional republic, not a democracy. We elect representatives to make laws. we do not vote individually on laws. Thus we are not a democracy. Majority elects, but majority does not rule.
The proper solution for the Confederate battle flag id that it should not fly or be posted on any state or federal property, except in a museum display. But attempts to remove memorials to fallen soldiers of ANY war should not be allowed.
Posted on 7/21/15 at 10:07 pm to AlaCowboy
Well, you have an issue then. Stone Mountain is both state property AND a memorial.
Posted on 7/21/15 at 10:13 pm to IT_Dawg
I'm 35 (halfway to 36). And I remember things as I think you do. You have the right mindset. Parents HAVE to be involved if they want their kids to have any balance and ability to think rationally. I'm truly concerned for what my kids will see in their lifetimes given what has transpired in just the last 20-30 years.....even the last 10. It's a mad world out there now. I'm honestly at the point of questioning whether college should be in my kids' future or not. Not just because of indoctrination.....it just doesn't seem to have the advantages nowadays that it once did. It doesn't separate people much anymore. Everybody's going, getting a degree or three and graduating tied for most of their adult lives to massive student loan debt. And now they come out at least halfway brainwashed, too.
Posted on 7/21/15 at 10:31 pm to AlaCowboy
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The country is a constitutional republic
No doubt and this country's laws were routinely broken and subverted by the south post reconstruction.Jim Crow,
voter supression,intimdation and outright purging of blacks from voter rolls...not to say it didnt happen elsewhere but it was far more prevalent in the south in the democratic party.
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Posted on 7/21/15 at 10:49 pm to RD Dawg
Fun fact. There is a park in Charleston named after a free black man who owned slaves...black slaves...
Posted on 7/21/15 at 11:09 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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We still say the Plege in Georgia.
Didn't know that. My Daughter goes to school in Texas and they don't. I assumed it was everywhere.
Posted on 7/21/15 at 11:18 pm to LewDawg
Never said it did have anything to do with the carving... it was in response on the people wiping their arse with the US flag and me finding it unacceptable. For the record I'm at a point in my career where I do have some say so if I stay or go not that its for me to explain to you. I'm not into online bickering if I rustled your jimmies my apologies.
Posted on 7/22/15 at 10:20 am to AFDawg11
I appreciate that you seem to be trying to see another perspective on this. Also, it’s nice that you aren’t just regurgitating knee jerk accusations of “racism” or whatever in response.
And like you said about not speaking for all blacks, I don’t speak for anyone but myself either, but here is where I think a lot of frustration is coming from for a lot of white Southerners……..
Southern whites are tired of their culture and heritage unfairly being singled out as the punching bag and the scapegoat for the nationwide and worldwide sins of racism and slavery. The End.
-Every race on this planet has owned slaves or been slaves themselves at one time or the other.
-Slavery is not just a part of american history, it’s part of WORLD history. And has been a part of it for more time than it has not.
-The majority of African slaves were shipped to places like the middle east. A comparatively tiny fraction to the west. And even smaller to the united states.
-Although any slavery is repulsive to us now, a look at how slaves were treated in the u.s. compared to say the middle east where they were put to death when no longer useful speaks volumes about the different cultures.
-etc
Yet, because Southerners once dared to try and separate themselves from what has become the largest most out-of-control empire in the history of the world, the South is now smeared and shamed and forced to carry the burden of slavery for the entire guilty planet.
All the sins of the rest of the world are somehow forgiven. Hell, in Saudi Arabia where human trafficking is still rampant today, your u.s. military has american soldiers on their soil guarding their oil fields for them!!!!!!!!!! Yet, that gets ignored, but idiots cry “racism” and “slavery” at the sight of a scuplture of Robert E. Lee?????
Give me a break.
This is getting too long. Nobody is reading anymore. Long story short. Many are fed up with hypocrisy and with useful idiots smearing our heroes and symbols in what is really just a political campaign to erase any glorification of those who were once brave enough to stand up to the empire. Deo Vindice.
And like you said about not speaking for all blacks, I don’t speak for anyone but myself either, but here is where I think a lot of frustration is coming from for a lot of white Southerners……..
Southern whites are tired of their culture and heritage unfairly being singled out as the punching bag and the scapegoat for the nationwide and worldwide sins of racism and slavery. The End.
-Every race on this planet has owned slaves or been slaves themselves at one time or the other.
-Slavery is not just a part of american history, it’s part of WORLD history. And has been a part of it for more time than it has not.
-The majority of African slaves were shipped to places like the middle east. A comparatively tiny fraction to the west. And even smaller to the united states.
-Although any slavery is repulsive to us now, a look at how slaves were treated in the u.s. compared to say the middle east where they were put to death when no longer useful speaks volumes about the different cultures.
-etc
Yet, because Southerners once dared to try and separate themselves from what has become the largest most out-of-control empire in the history of the world, the South is now smeared and shamed and forced to carry the burden of slavery for the entire guilty planet.
All the sins of the rest of the world are somehow forgiven. Hell, in Saudi Arabia where human trafficking is still rampant today, your u.s. military has american soldiers on their soil guarding their oil fields for them!!!!!!!!!! Yet, that gets ignored, but idiots cry “racism” and “slavery” at the sight of a scuplture of Robert E. Lee?????
Give me a break. This is getting too long. Nobody is reading anymore. Long story short. Many are fed up with hypocrisy and with useful idiots smearing our heroes and symbols in what is really just a political campaign to erase any glorification of those who were once brave enough to stand up to the empire. Deo Vindice.
Posted on 7/22/15 at 11:08 am to S1C EM
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Well, you have an issue then. Stone Mountain is both state property AND a memorial.
Then let them place the official Confederate national flag in a glass case in the museum. But don't display the battle flag,
Posted on 7/22/15 at 11:19 am to AFDawg11
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The population of the city is at least 60 percent African American.
Thank you for your service in the military and for the sacrifice you make for this country. But declaring yourself African before being American takes all the wind from your sail and lessens your so-called outrage as far as I am concerned. Even if you had joint citizenship with the continents of Africa and America, you would not be a hyphenated individual. You would be a native of one country with dual citizenship in another country.
When you decide to be fully American, come back and discuss this topic with us.
Posted on 7/22/15 at 1:26 pm to tylerdurden24
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Fun fact: President Grant wanted to (and almost did) purchase the present day Dominican Republic and ship off all 4 million or so african-americans in the states down there to live. He believed whites and blacks would never coexist.
You should see some of Lincoln's quotes on the subject. Oddly enough, those statements somehow didn't get included on his big memorial.....
Posted on 7/22/15 at 1:53 pm to FaCubeItches
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Oddly enough, those statements somehow didn't get included on his big memorial.....
But, check out what did get included in the Lincoln memorial....
King Lincoln sitting on his throne looking down on his subjects with his fists resting on top of two fasces.
The fasces being the ancient roman symbol of emperial power and centralized authority over the collective....
LINK
This post was edited on 7/22/15 at 1:55 pm
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