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re: Do ya'll realize how stupid we look
Posted on 11/5/13 at 11:58 am to dallasga6
Posted on 11/5/13 at 11:58 am to dallasga6
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The reality of the situation is no matter which side you land on, it's that CMR(unless he absolutely shits his mess-kit)is gonna be here till he decides to move on. He wins enough & is well liked enough by Don, Billy & the other 4-5 UGA mega-boosters and the members of the UGA Foundation board...
Yea you're absolutely right, Dallas. I know yall have seen me here for a while and I have argued till blue in the face but after 2012 I kinda realized that I was never gonna get what I wanted. UGA won't fire him for borderline issues and he isn't incompetent enough to make 6-7's happen regularly. But...
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I rarely post in these types of threads cause it's useless, but it gets tiresome when someone continuously tries to push CMR down my throat, especially with some of the reasoning in this thread...
...that's exactly why I am here. Granted I don't avoid these threads but I am tired of not only being stuck with Richt but being told I should be damn grateful. That's like receiving a turd on the plate and being told it's filet mignon and you should fricking love it.
I have no issues with those who like Richt. He's a good guy. You can even think he's a good coach cause he is. But the people who wanna claim he's great are out of their fricking mind. The body of work speaks for itself. 13 years and the only 2 accomplishments of note happened pre-Saban. The fact is the SEC engaged in an arms race in the mid 2000s and we got passed up by superior staffs.
What REALLY, and I mean REALLY irks me is when some of our fans act like Georgia is the university on the hill that morally is unequalled. frick that. This team has as many thugs as any other, as many arrests if not more, more dismissals and on the field I have never found our team to be either composed or classy. Georgia is always one of the chippiest teams. And Georgia does it's own shady shite. And we bough Herschel a fricking car.
Instead of us whining because the world is unfair and everyone is cheating maybe we should, idk, realize that's how the game is played and if it isn't going to be regulated maybe our staff should try finding loopholes? Nope, we are the beacon of light in a dark world rules by Evil Saban, Mean ol' Gus, and that charlatan Miles.
Ok, sorry, didn't mean to rant
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Posted on 11/5/13 at 12:01 pm to RealDawg
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I am definitely not in the boat that says Richt can do no wrong just because he found Jesus.
You're a good man
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However, I personally enjoy winning most of our games and travel to just about every one. Going through 3-4 years of complete crap is just not worth it to me.
I guess we just have to ask AU fans if it was worth it. I kinda think it is. They had garbage 2008-09, greatness in 2010, and 2011-12 it was horrid but the ones I talk to seem to think it was worth it. Yea, they're biased, but now that AU is back they can go back to forgetting some of the bad times and remember how in the last 3 years they were the best.
I just dunno what that feels like and I really would like to, ya know? I'll suffer through a few 2010s if it means our coach is gonna build the program into a juggernaut
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I want us to remain one of the top 10 programs in the country and can only hope the football gods allows us that one year.
I wouldn't even call us top 10 honestly and I'd like to think I am pretty biased as well
Posted on 11/5/13 at 12:01 pm to dallasga6
Regardless of whether or not someone thinks he is a good, great, or bad coach, we were 5 yards from the MNC last year, and he helped get us to that point. A tipped pass and a instinctual catch were the reason we didn't play for it all. Yet, CMR is said that he can't get there. Yeah, the end result is the same, but nothing CMR did or didn't do caused that tipped pass on a high-percentage play that we ran successfully throughout the season. In spite of the defense getting rolled over during the 2nd half of that game, we still were 5 yards from glory.
I'm a realist. I'm not going to to say that I think CMR is the best coach around, but I understand that even the best coaches don't win it every year, if at all, and that even bad coaches sometimes have all the pieces fall into place to give them a title that they could never have won otherwise (Chizik).
Could we win it all with a different head coach? Maybe, maybe not. No one knows. I honestly think CMR can win us the national title if he has all the pieces fall into place. He just hasn't had that yet.
I'm a realist. I'm not going to to say that I think CMR is the best coach around, but I understand that even the best coaches don't win it every year, if at all, and that even bad coaches sometimes have all the pieces fall into place to give them a title that they could never have won otherwise (Chizik).
Could we win it all with a different head coach? Maybe, maybe not. No one knows. I honestly think CMR can win us the national title if he has all the pieces fall into place. He just hasn't had that yet.
Posted on 11/5/13 at 12:07 pm to FooManChoo
About the 2012 argument I do think we did get some luck into that scenario. Same luck other championship teams are afforded. After getting completely annihilated in Columbia, which in and of itself was totally inexcusable, we had no shot at the title until KSU and Oregon all go down in one night giving us a mulligan. We got our shot and when the opportunity arose we gave up 350 yds rushing.
Idk, maybe it's just me who sees it that way but we've been given second chances. It's Georgia who has failed to capitalize.
His tenure speaks for itself IMO and I believe with ever fiber in my being we will not win a title with Mark Richt but he will be our coach until at least 2016-17. And if they promote from within I will personally burn down Butts-Mehre.
Idk, maybe it's just me who sees it that way but we've been given second chances. It's Georgia who has failed to capitalize.
His tenure speaks for itself IMO and I believe with ever fiber in my being we will not win a title with Mark Richt but he will be our coach until at least 2016-17. And if they promote from within I will personally burn down Butts-Mehre.
This post was edited on 11/5/13 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 11/5/13 at 12:31 pm to FooManChoo
I hear ya on the winning the conference is almost as hard as winning the mnc argument, but which pieces do you think need to fall into place for Richt to get over the hump?
Also the almost argument does nothing for me.
Also the almost argument does nothing for me.
This post was edited on 11/5/13 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 11/5/13 at 12:59 pm to Sanford&MunSon
Leave the moral victories to Tech
Posted on 11/5/13 at 1:19 pm to Damn Good Dawg
The way I see it, Richt can put us in the MNC conversation once every 5 years. Pretty good imo, but obviously not where most fans want it to be. Do you take the risk to find that guy that will put you in the conversation once every 3 years or do you stay put? Tough decision.
I would fire CMR today if you told me we could get Chip Kelly, but other than him, there are no "sure thing" coaches out there avliable.
I would fire CMR today if you told me we could get Chip Kelly, but other than him, there are no "sure thing" coaches out there avliable.
Posted on 11/5/13 at 1:35 pm to Dawgs9
at idiots like you 2012 is all I need to know that Richt cam get us a natty with a little luck
Posted on 11/5/13 at 1:45 pm to Damn Good Dawg
quote:You can't just ask AU fans, ask UT fans as well. You might not like the answers you get.
I guess we just have to ask AU fans if it was worth it. I kinda think it is. They had garbage 2008-09, greatness in 2010, and 2011-12 it was horrid but the ones I talk to seem to think it was worth it. Yea, they're biased, but now that AU is back they can go back to forgetting some of the bad times and remember how in the last 3 years they were the best.
Posted on 11/5/13 at 1:46 pm to dallasga6
Look. I am not arguing that we are where we want to be. I am arguing that everybody on here criticizes Richt for not winning a National Championship. Ok. but why does Kelly get a pass? I mean, he hasn't won one either. Richt has had some excellent years. he is the most successful coach Georgia has ever had, and yet everyone is ready to toss him overboard.
Yes. I realize Oregon has been very successful. but so has Richt. And Richt coaches in a MUCH tougher conference.
Crap. One of you guys on here even argued that is Sumlin doesn't do any more than he has the past two seasons, he should be fired, too. he has certainly done as much as Kelly. you guys just need to give it a rest. We have a great coach. You will see how good when he is gone.
Yes. I realize Oregon has been very successful. but so has Richt. And Richt coaches in a MUCH tougher conference.
Crap. One of you guys on here even argued that is Sumlin doesn't do any more than he has the past two seasons, he should be fired, too. he has certainly done as much as Kelly. you guys just need to give it a rest. We have a great coach. You will see how good when he is gone.
Posted on 11/5/13 at 1:51 pm to Damn Good Dawg
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About the 2012 argument I do think we did get some luck into that scenario.
Absolutely did. just like Bama did when Kansas St. and Oregon got beat.
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completely annihilated in Columbia, which in and of itself was totally inexcusable, we had no shot at the title until KSU and Oregon all go down in one night giving us a mulligan.
Yep. As did Alabama. the program you want to be just like.
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His tenure speaks for itself IMO and I believe with ever fiber in my being we will not win a title with Mark Richt but he will be our coach until at least 2016-17.
I understand your frustration...but I believe with every fiber in my being that Richt can, and will get us there. So, who is right? It all boils down to an opinion.
Out of curiosity. If Richt wins the Natty next year, will you STILL be saying he should be fired? Why, or why not?
Posted on 11/5/13 at 1:53 pm to Sanford&MunSon
Last year just a LITTLE bit of luck. One bad decision cost us the championship. One. I COULD argue that Murray is the leader of the team and never should have looked to the sideline on what to do as far as spiking the ball. Had he spiked the ball on his own, we might have been celebrating a Crystal Ball and everyone praising Richt instead of calling for his dismissal.
Posted on 11/5/13 at 2:02 pm to Damn Good Dawg
Yeah, we did get some luck to get into the picture, but that's how most teams do it every year. It's not often that you get an undefeated team in the SEC. Even Alabama lost to A&M last season and still went on to win it all. Shoot, they lost to LSU the year before during the regular season and still got a rematch in the championship game (unheard of) even though they didn't make it to their conference championship.
Luck is usually what really determines the national championship, because rarely do you see a team dominate every single opponent they play. Often times you see a great team get upset in one game that they should have won that causes them to miss out entirely. Oregon has done that a lot recently, but other teams can say the same thing.
There's a lot that happens during a season that can make or break your hope for a title. Sometimes you can make it by losing one game, but only if you lost to a good team, and only if you lose early enough to rebound in the polls. Timing is important. If you do win all your games, you have to hope your SOS was good enough for the voters and computers to put you in the #1 or #2 slot. In the SEC, you have to wind up conference play by playing the best team (record-wise) from the other division. So, you have to beat a potentially tough team just to make it to the title game against a team that might not have a conference championship (ND comes to mind). It's not easy.
Because I believe so much about winning the national title relies on luck, I don't consider it being complacent when I support CMR for winning so many times and giving our program national attention, a few conference championships, and lots of bowl wins. Do I want a national championship? Hell yes I do! But, I don't think that's on the back of CMR to win for us, necessarily. I don't think bringing in a different coach will necessarily increase our chances of winning one, either, because there is no secret formula. You can do things to increase your chances for victory, but sometimes the ball just doesn't bounce your way and it costs you a chance at the title. I don't think bringing in Kelly or anyone else will do much to improve things.
Luck is usually what really determines the national championship, because rarely do you see a team dominate every single opponent they play. Often times you see a great team get upset in one game that they should have won that causes them to miss out entirely. Oregon has done that a lot recently, but other teams can say the same thing.
There's a lot that happens during a season that can make or break your hope for a title. Sometimes you can make it by losing one game, but only if you lost to a good team, and only if you lose early enough to rebound in the polls. Timing is important. If you do win all your games, you have to hope your SOS was good enough for the voters and computers to put you in the #1 or #2 slot. In the SEC, you have to wind up conference play by playing the best team (record-wise) from the other division. So, you have to beat a potentially tough team just to make it to the title game against a team that might not have a conference championship (ND comes to mind). It's not easy.
Because I believe so much about winning the national title relies on luck, I don't consider it being complacent when I support CMR for winning so many times and giving our program national attention, a few conference championships, and lots of bowl wins. Do I want a national championship? Hell yes I do! But, I don't think that's on the back of CMR to win for us, necessarily. I don't think bringing in a different coach will necessarily increase our chances of winning one, either, because there is no secret formula. You can do things to increase your chances for victory, but sometimes the ball just doesn't bounce your way and it costs you a chance at the title. I don't think bringing in Kelly or anyone else will do much to improve things.
Posted on 11/5/13 at 2:14 pm to FooManChoo
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Well said, gentleman, honestly the best arguments that have been brought in defense of richt in a while. Wish most of his apologists went as detailed as yall. That being said I guess we will have to agree to disagree but both yall had very valid points. It's obviously not a black and white issue and that's what makes it so damn complex.
That being said right now we are talking big picture issues but a lot of my lack of faith in Richt stems from the little things but honestly I am about to get carpal tunnel typing novels with you gents so I'll leave that for another day (IF you really wanna see I am sure in my litany of posts there are a few that are novels about the exact issues I have with Richt and his staff, maybe I'll search for it later tonight, used to have it bookmarked).
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Out of curiosity. If Richt wins the Natty next year, will you STILL be saying he should be fired? Why, or why not?
I said earlier in the thread I am not even calling for him to be fired now. Would I be happy? Yep. But that won't happen. I have to wait for an opportunity that actually warrants his firing, like 2010 when I think he should have been fired. My posts really just reflect my lack in faith in Richt but even I know you don't fire a guy who went to 2 SEC title games and had a ton of injuries to deal with....unless he really shits the bed the rest of the year.
But to answer your question IF Richt won a title then no, I wouldn't want him canned. But who would? Hell, if he'd even just get us to a title game I'd likely lose a good bit of my fervor but that hasn't happened yet.
Honestly there actually is a way I could believe in Richt. He'd have to bring in stud coordinators. It's my opinion that Richt would be an excellent CEO coach like Bowden and if we had a Chad Morris/Gus Malzahn type OC and a Foster/Smart type DC I think things could change. But with Richt and our homegrown staff with a leftover NFL DL coach it's hard to be as optimistic.
This post was edited on 11/5/13 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 11/5/13 at 2:28 pm to Damn Good Dawg
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It's obviously not a black and white issue and that's what makes it so damn complex.
Absolutely. And there is nothing wrong with having different opinions. I understand everybody's impatience, and sympathize. I want to win as much as anybody. One of my biggest arguments for keeping Richt is this:
Any time you fire the coach recruiting takes a major hit for a year, or two. We are just now getting back to where we need to be recruiting wise. Give him a year or two, then if he does not impress, then I would listen to arguments to see him go. I would hate it, but I would see your points more easily.
I also have been disappointed in little things....small mistakes being made that cost us. However, I also see these mistakes being made at other schools. LSU in particular. Miles has done enough weird things that have cost them games to last a lifetime!
We just notice our miscues more because, well...we watch Georgia games more closely. I honestly don't know if Richt can take us to the promised land, but I hope he can. I have seen some definite improvements the past couple fo years, and hope to see more in the next couple of years. If we DO see some small amount of improvements, we should be able to bring a title home. We are that close. I am just scared we will take a couple of steps back if we run Richt off right now.
Posted on 11/5/13 at 3:39 pm to FooManChoo
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Regardless of whether or not someone thinks he is a good, great, or bad coach, we were 5 yards from the MNC last year, and he helped get us to that point. A tipped pass and a instinctual catch were the reason we didn't play for it all.
Foo, while I agree to some extent, we were actually not as close as we should have been. We were out of timeouts so obviously timeout management was an issue. The play on the 5 yard line had little chance of success; even had the pass not been tipped, the intended receiver was well covered. I still believe spiking the ball and running a play with multiple options would have made more sense. Murray should have been rolling out with an option to keep it himself shuttle to Gurley or pass to an open receiver. The mere fact that Richt didn't come up with a winning play in that situation speaks volumes to the difference between a good coach who puts up a good fight against a defending champion and a great coach who puts together the winning formula to beat the defending champion.
Posted on 11/5/13 at 3:46 pm to Damn Good Dawg
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Damn Good Dawg
Quite the longwinded response for your simple agenda.
I read this board for two weeks before I could post(took forever to gain access), and I saw you post many things, many things that conflict with your name on here. Many post consisted of low brow personal attacks on Richt, his faith, and his staff.
I think everyone on here knows your MO, you're very transparent about it. Quit trying to potray your agenda as genuine, because it's not.
This post was edited on 11/5/13 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 11/5/13 at 3:57 pm to davesdawgs
Here's the thought process for the play called: We were driving and had the defense on their heels; they were tired. We had a play called up before getting to the line. We've run that play before with success. If the play works, we win. If it doesn't, we have one more shot with the clock stopped to come up with a better plan.
What went wrong? It wasn't the play call, it was a tipped pass by a talented CJ Mosely, who will be picked up pretty early on in the draft. He tipped the pass and it was caught out of instinct (how many times do you think players practice not catching balls in situations like that?)
In my opinion, it was bad luck. If the ball is thrown a few inches one way or the other, or if Conley doesn't see the ball or just lets it go by, we have another shot at it. The ball was tipped and caught by the wrong receiver. That wasn't the play, but that's what happened. That wasn't a poor coaching decision, IMO. If we score on that play, CMR is hailed as the best coach in town and we are a month away from creaming an undeserving ND team. But the ball was tipped and we're talking about how we could have won instead of how we did win.
CMR called a good game, IMO. The fake punt called right after Saban called his (and didn't execute) was brilliant. Saban was the one who didn't manage the clock wisely. Going into the half, I recall seeing quite a few unhappy Bama fans on the board talking about how he pissed away the clock.
If our defense wasn't gutted for so many rushing yards, or if we didn't bite on the play-action toss, we're playing for the title. Our defense let us down in that game, but CMR called a good one. The offense did what it needed to do, but a tipped pass made all of the difference in the world. I won't put that one on CMR one bit.
What went wrong? It wasn't the play call, it was a tipped pass by a talented CJ Mosely, who will be picked up pretty early on in the draft. He tipped the pass and it was caught out of instinct (how many times do you think players practice not catching balls in situations like that?)
In my opinion, it was bad luck. If the ball is thrown a few inches one way or the other, or if Conley doesn't see the ball or just lets it go by, we have another shot at it. The ball was tipped and caught by the wrong receiver. That wasn't the play, but that's what happened. That wasn't a poor coaching decision, IMO. If we score on that play, CMR is hailed as the best coach in town and we are a month away from creaming an undeserving ND team. But the ball was tipped and we're talking about how we could have won instead of how we did win.
CMR called a good game, IMO. The fake punt called right after Saban called his (and didn't execute) was brilliant. Saban was the one who didn't manage the clock wisely. Going into the half, I recall seeing quite a few unhappy Bama fans on the board talking about how he pissed away the clock.
If our defense wasn't gutted for so many rushing yards, or if we didn't bite on the play-action toss, we're playing for the title. Our defense let us down in that game, but CMR called a good one. The offense did what it needed to do, but a tipped pass made all of the difference in the world. I won't put that one on CMR one bit.
Posted on 11/5/13 at 3:58 pm to Damn Good Dawg
My deal ain't even about the BCSNC...
The SECC is the only thing "YOU" can control. No polls, no frickin' computers & no depending on Oregon, OSU, KSU & all this other horseshite to lose. Nothing but you as a coach getting your team to just win baby.
We've not won a SECC since '05... Richt won 2 in his 1st 5 years when the SEC was in flux and an average conference. '02- '05, Zook at UF, Bama was on probation, Fulmer was on the way down etc...
The SEC had 1 split BCSC with USC from '99 to '05, the SEC was so lightly regarded that an undefeated Auburn team didn't even get to play in the BCSCG in '04...
Since the emergence of the SEC as "THE" NCAA power in 2006 with UF's huge win over OSU, UGA has 2 trips to the SECCG, & lost both...8 years with 2 SECCG appearances, 1 blow-out which we led at halftime & 1 close loss where we led with 5 min left in the 3rd qtr....
Since the re-emergence of the SEC in '06 WE ALWAYS LOSE the BIG games, AND we also manage to lose a "SMALL" game somewhere along the line every year that leaves us depending on another team to lose. Take your pick, imma not listing them all. EXCUSES abound for every loss but the fact is WE LOSE them ALL...
I'm outta this thread, Done....
The SECC is the only thing "YOU" can control. No polls, no frickin' computers & no depending on Oregon, OSU, KSU & all this other horseshite to lose. Nothing but you as a coach getting your team to just win baby.
We've not won a SECC since '05... Richt won 2 in his 1st 5 years when the SEC was in flux and an average conference. '02- '05, Zook at UF, Bama was on probation, Fulmer was on the way down etc...
The SEC had 1 split BCSC with USC from '99 to '05, the SEC was so lightly regarded that an undefeated Auburn team didn't even get to play in the BCSCG in '04...
Since the emergence of the SEC as "THE" NCAA power in 2006 with UF's huge win over OSU, UGA has 2 trips to the SECCG, & lost both...8 years with 2 SECCG appearances, 1 blow-out which we led at halftime & 1 close loss where we led with 5 min left in the 3rd qtr....
Since the re-emergence of the SEC in '06 WE ALWAYS LOSE the BIG games, AND we also manage to lose a "SMALL" game somewhere along the line every year that leaves us depending on another team to lose. Take your pick, imma not listing them all. EXCUSES abound for every loss but the fact is WE LOSE them ALL...
I'm outta this thread, Done....
Posted on 11/5/13 at 4:04 pm to dallasga6
We lost to an LSU team that beat Bama before their rematch, and lost a close one to the eventual national champs.
We lost last year to Bama, the undisputed best team in the country and national champs. We were 5 yards from beating them.
Going back to my post from earlier, the winner of the SECCG has won or played in the national championship game ever year since 2006. That's pretty stiff competition.
We lost last year to Bama, the undisputed best team in the country and national champs. We were 5 yards from beating them.
Going back to my post from earlier, the winner of the SECCG has won or played in the national championship game ever year since 2006. That's pretty stiff competition.
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