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re: Dan Wolken: if Kirby doesn't win the East in 17, he's a clown
Posted on 2/28/17 at 6:11 am to fibonaccisquared
Posted on 2/28/17 at 6:11 am to fibonaccisquared
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This. "Iconic" is just another way of saying "shitty, but they win, so who are we to criticize".
OK, let me put this another way.
The last thing Duke or Butler want to do is change their image as an old school hoops program (obviously on different scales). In Duke's case, a true blue blood. In Butler's case, the home of Hoosiers.
Georgia, on the other hand, should be trying desperately to change its basketball image.
Go ahead though. I'm sure hiring some dude from UT Chattanooga or some shite will totally reverse a history of basketball failure. The program is totally fine. We just haven't had the right coach yet.
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Posted on 2/28/17 at 7:55 am to Crowknowsbest
We have had coaches that could win with the guys they signed or inherited. Fox isn't one of them.
This post was edited on 2/28/17 at 7:56 am
Posted on 2/28/17 at 8:13 am to fibonaccisquared
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As per usual, you're a fricking buffoon. The entire point of the thread was referring to Kirby and his need to win the east... a justifying thought for this was what is seen as a soft schedule relative to the other teams in the east. Since basketball doesn't work on divisions, that "relativism" would extend to the rest of the SEC. It doesn't need to be stated if it's implied in the conversation. Our schedule is middle of the road with regards to the rest of the conference.
Being a petulant little c unt does not make you intelligent. You can go back and look at your bullshite write up mentioning our out of confrence woes, while saying we had a middle of the pack schedule. Any way you slice it, you are wrong, and projecting and name calling won't fix that... which is unfortunate for you as that is your strong suit... bottom line, UGA has a top 20 SOS and had to play the top 3 SEC teams twice... they had a tough schedule this year... it is what it is...
Posted on 2/28/17 at 8:35 am to Crowknowsbest
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Georgia, on the other hand, should be trying desperately to change its basketball image.
Go ahead though. I'm sure hiring some dude from UT Chattanooga or some shite will totally reverse a history of basketball failure. The program is totally fine. We just haven't had the right coach yet.
Sure... And if Tubby had been our coach circa 2017 rather than when he was (and for more than 2 seasons) or if Harrick's tenure doesn't end the way it did even, there's a good chance we ride the wave of success into greater interest and booster donations into a new arena and we're not having this conversation. Right now, with where the program is under Fox, it's just good enough to be a bubble team, but he's *consistently* just good enough to be a bubble team. That's a very difficult sell to get boosters excited to spend a bunch of cash when there's very little variance from "almost relevant".
The sad part is, I'm not sure we'll be any better off with any hire that McGarity might make, but that's a really shitty place to be. Keep the coach who can't get the job done because the AD who can't get the job done is likely to botch the next hire...
What we do know is that without vocal and strong financial support from boosters, there is essentially no chance that Ears opens the purse strings for construction of a new arena... I think it was Durden who positioned partnering with the Classic Center downtown. That was actually an interesting idea... You don't have to tear down Stegeman, so you still have the classic building on campus and can keep Womens BB and Gym there... could play some UGA Mens BB games there if needed with scheduling conflicts, but otherwise could move the game downtown...
But once again, to say that our facilities are keeping us from being good enough to *make the tournament*, is just not grounded in reality. Put a product on the floor that makes the tournament a couple of seasons in a row and maybe wins the first round, and you have seen that UGA basketball interest goes up... it's not some monumental or herculean task. (see: Harrick, Jim - regardless of your thoughts on him as a coach, the program was having success and there was interest. The "scandal" would have been nothing compared to the shite going on at UNC that up until they mishandled the 2nd NOA, looked like it might just fizzle out into not much, as mentions to the Football and Basketball teams were removed from the NOA.)
Incremental successes... and it starts on the court, not with facilities.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 8:56 am to meansonny
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Except for Wynn and underclassmen, none of our highly talented players are on the OL.
This is true, and I agree that to win big you have to be strong along both LOS. However, we should be improved across the OL this year. If we are not, that is on the coaches. We have three players returning that got tons of playing time, and another that was one of the top Junior College players along with some really good young players.
I understand some on here will argue that the players were playing in different positions, but that was a decision the coaches made. And, supposedly they will be in their more natural positions this year, so that should be an improvement. Add to that, that the two teams that could possibly give us a hard time this year also have OL problems. Those were weaknesses for both Florida and Tennessee last year, and should not be much of an improvement for them in 2017.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 9:07 am to SquatchDawg
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I expect improvement and winning the East barring any crazy injuries
Exactly this.
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to be actually competing (not just showing up) for the SEC in 2018.
I would give this until 2019. Alabama just has too much talent for us to stay on the field with them, right now. I would say take the East in 2017 and 2018 while losing (probably badly) in the SECCG. Then making a run in 2019. That gives Kirby time to get his players in place and hopefully his philosophy. I hope you are correct, but I'm afraid Alabama just has too much of a head start.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 9:07 am to fibonaccisquared
Even if we get in the tourney and win the first round a couple times that will not reshape our program. Face it, we are a hockey school.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 9:09 am to fibonaccisquared
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Incremental successes
I get your argument. I really do. I just think UGA has to do something drastic to change the perception of and expectations for its program in order to create meaningful and sustainable improvement. Otherwise, I think we're likely talking about an endless cycle of incremental success and failure and never really going anywhere important. UGA is missing an opportunity to be legitimately good in basketball, and I don't think waiting around for our Billy Donovan is a high percentage strategy.
By legitimately good, I don't mean winning an NCAA tournament game here or there. Anybody can do that. I mean having a program capable of making Sweet 16s, competing for the conference title, etc. Obviously Kentucky will always be there, but there isn't another SEC program that is so good that UGA can't get in that conversation below UK.
Anyway, this thread hijack has gone on long enough, at least on my end.
This post was edited on 2/28/17 at 9:10 am
Posted on 2/28/17 at 9:19 am to Crowknowsbest
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Anyway, this thread hijack has gone on long enough, at least on my end.
, Shitty shock jock style comment begat a thread.. I don't mind hijacking it. Plus, the original hijack was legitimate... I think the thing that you and I both agree on is this:
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Obviously Kentucky will always be there, but there isn't another SEC program that is so good that UGA can't get in that conversation below UK.
The method is where we disagree a bit, but again, I'm not opposed to a new facility. I do think that building/obtaining a new facility under Fox will largely just be like adding seasoning to a dish that's already burned... I'd like to see someone come in, have early success, and then pour gas on that fire with a new facility... but obviously no success is guaranteed even with the best of new coaches. Just not sure that it's not worth the risk.
As you were fellas.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 9:39 am to fibonaccisquared
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The method is where we disagree a bit, but again, I'm not opposed to a new facility
Agree with you and I do like Tyler's idea about a downtown multipurpose facility where the cost is shared with the city and county.
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