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re: Coldest days ahead in years....
Posted on 1/5/14 at 6:19 pm to greygatch
Posted on 1/5/14 at 6:19 pm to greygatch
The Earth had 10-20x more greenhouse gasses at times in its past than we have right now, and during those times, the Earth had numerous periods of extreme COOLING and warming and then cooling again and warming again, over and over.
The sun and oceans are at fault for it all. Hell, water vapor has a much greater effect on warming and cooling than greenhouse gases do anyways. It's not even a contest.
Humans have such and insignificant amount of influence on the climate, it's just silly to even suggest it.
Let me put it in perspective, if you take a mouse and place it on the 50 yard line of the Superdome, the mouse representing humans and the indoor stadium representing the Earth's atmosphere, and that mouse farted, this would be equivalent to the effect humans have made in all their existence to our atmosphere with regards to contributing to greenhouse gases.
And this can easily be backed up with facts and mathematics if necessary.
The sun and oceans are at fault for it all. Hell, water vapor has a much greater effect on warming and cooling than greenhouse gases do anyways. It's not even a contest.
Humans have such and insignificant amount of influence on the climate, it's just silly to even suggest it.
Let me put it in perspective, if you take a mouse and place it on the 50 yard line of the Superdome, the mouse representing humans and the indoor stadium representing the Earth's atmosphere, and that mouse farted, this would be equivalent to the effect humans have made in all their existence to our atmosphere with regards to contributing to greenhouse gases.
And this can easily be backed up with facts and mathematics if necessary.
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Posted on 1/5/14 at 6:40 pm to BeefDawg
Human arrogance believing we can effect way more then we do is the true cause of "global warming"
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Posted on 1/5/14 at 6:51 pm to bigdawg7780
Agree with both posters on this page (beef and bigdawg)..this is now a non discussion... 
Posted on 1/5/14 at 8:29 pm to bigdawg7780
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Human arrogance
It s got nothing to do with arrogance.
There are only two reasons anything gets done in this world...money and pussy.
How much money/income do those scientists earn in studying global warming? How much will GE make from all of this "green" technology? Who stands to cash in on carbon credits?
How much are 3rd world countries trying to bilk from us right now via the UN for using an "unfair" share of the worlds energy? What's the driving premise behind building "sustainable" communities (via imminent domain)?
Global warming is big business.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 8:40 pm to bigdawg7780
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Human arrogance believing we can effect way more then we do is the true cause of "global warming"
LINK.........
Posted on 1/5/14 at 8:58 pm to Jefferson Dawg
For example, temperatures dropped steadily from the late 1940s to the late 1970s.
The industrial revolution was going strong at this time and the population increased almost 50% So why was the planet cooling for 30 years if humans and the amount of energy we use has anything to do with it.
There were fifty experts at this conference, who didn't have anything to gain by saying that global warming isn't real.
The industrial revolution was going strong at this time and the population increased almost 50% So why was the planet cooling for 30 years if humans and the amount of energy we use has anything to do with it.
There were fifty experts at this conference, who didn't have anything to gain by saying that global warming isn't real.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 9:28 pm to GurleyManandProud020
Well, it's 35 degrees and raining in North Alabama. Going down to 15 by Monday morning. High of 15 tomorrow and low of 6 Tuesday morning. High of 20 on Tuesday.
Got milk and toilet paper and I put 8 quarts of turkey soup in the freezer. 2 fifths of George Dickel and my Sweetheart to keep me warm.
Got milk and toilet paper and I put 8 quarts of turkey soup in the freezer. 2 fifths of George Dickel and my Sweetheart to keep me warm.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 10:47 pm to SquatchDawg
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Posted on 1/5/14 at 10:48 pm to SquatchDawg
although, you are correct in that it is big business,...big business is just a precipitate of the source......everything in my life and your life is based on the selfish intentions of another,,be it good or bad, and we as a society subscribe to arrogance, driving, motivating, innovating, and manipulating everything..for our own selfish reasons...,,in your example,,,that would be big business ...ie..the ultimate accomplishment of man will not be space travel, or weather control,or world peace.. it will be to replicate himself through some task of technology or science, maybe artificial intelligence...because then, and only then can he stand high and proud upon the mountain and pronounce himself a god, much like the one that many believe made us in his image...grinning arrogantly through his teeth...success at last....and you know what......global warming won't matter then because....we will undo our progress falling from grace,,as our new children's masters,,to friends..to pets...to insects...that need to be squashed...but hey I got way off target here...back to studying...
...ie..the ultimate accomplishment of man will not be space travel, or weather control,or world peace.. it will be to replicate himself through some task of technology or science, maybe artificial intelligence...because then, and only then can he stand high and proud upon the mountain and pronounce himself a god, much like the one that many believe made us in his image...grinning arrogantly through his teeth...success at last....and you know what......global warming won't matter then because....we will undo our progress falling from grace,,as our new children's masters,,to friends..to pets...to insects...that need to be squashed...but hey I got way off target here...back to studying... This post was edited on 1/5/14 at 10:50 pm
Posted on 1/6/14 at 9:55 am to redandblackattack
Thought some of you might find this interesting, as it substantiates the mouse farting in the Superdome analogy. LOL
Like I said, equivalent to a mouse farting in a domed stadium.
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The Earth's atmosphere, from surface to the Karman Line (about 62 miles up) is 78% nitrogen, slightly less than 21% oxygen, slightly less than 1% argon, and about 0.039% carbon dioxide, and then very small amounts of a bunch of other gases. And it's measured in what's called "parts per million by volume" or ppmv.
Here's the exact breakdown:
Nitrogen (N2) ----------- 780,840 ppmv (78.084%)
Oxygen (O2) ------------ 209,460 ppmv (20.946%)
Argon (Ar) --------------- 9,340 ppmv (0.9340%)
Carbon dioxide (CO2) --- 397 ppmv (0.0397%)
Neon (Ne) --------------- 18.18 ppmv (0.001818%)
Helium (He) ------------- 5.24 ppmv (0.000524%)
Methane (CH4) ---------- 1.79 ppmv (0.000179%)
Krypton (Kr) ------------- 1.14 ppmv (0.000114%)
Hydrogen (H2) ---------- 0.55 ppmv (0.000055%)
Nitrous oxide (N2O) ---- 0.325 ppmv (0.0000325%)
Carbon monoxide (CO) - 0.1 ppmv (0.00001%)
Xenon (Xe) -------------- 0.09 ppmv (9×10-6%) (0.000009%)
Ozone (O3) -------------- 0.0 to 0.07 ppmv (0 to 7×10-6%)
Nitrogen dioxide (NO2) - 0.02 ppmv (2×10-6%) (0.000002%)
Iodine (I2) --------------- 0.01 ppmv (1×10-6%) (0.000001%)
Ammonia (NH3) --------- trace
For a total DRY AIR gas ppmv of 1,000,064.5.
And then Water vapor (H2O), also known as clouds, which is also a greenhouse gas, can vary from 0.001% to as high as 5% ppmv, but lets ignore water vapor for a moment and just concentrate on dry air gases.
Now some of these gases mix to create compounds or form compound gases. Some of which are harmful and some of which are not. All of the harmful greenhouse gases/compounds are Carbon dioxide, Nitrous oxide, Methane, Hydrofluorocarbon gases (HFC's), Perfluorocarbons (PFC's), and Sulphur Hexafluoride (SF6).
CO2 is the only one that's even close to a measurable fraction, and all the others combined are so infinitesimally small by comparison, you can simply add 0.0001 to CO2 and it will more than cover combining of all of them to represent the harmful greenhouse gas ppmv number.
So pre-industrial concentration of harmful greenhouse gases, before humans had any measurable contribution to them, scientists concur we were at about 280 ppmv. Today, we are at about 400 ppmv.
Now this includes natural emissions, not just human emissions. But, for sake of making this easy, lets just blame all +120 ppmv on humans just to nail home the point.
This means in the entire era of human contribution to harmful greenhouse gases, we've accounted for a whopping 120 ppmv in an atmosphere that holds 1,000,064.5 in total ppmv.
In other words, we've contributed a total of 0.0012% to the overall ppmv of the atmosphere in our entire contributing existence.
To put this in perspective, that's approximately 1% of 1% of 1%, or 1/1000th of 1% of the entire size of the Earth's atmosphere.
Like I said, equivalent to a mouse farting in a domed stadium.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 10:01 am to BeefDawg
Posted on 1/6/14 at 10:02 am to BeefDawg
And everyone said.. amen.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 2:02 pm to FooManChoo
Why do 97% of doctors in the field disagree, Beefdog?
The mouse is growing at an exponential rate.
The mouse is growing at an exponential rate.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 2:18 pm to BeefDawg
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Carbon dioxide has unique long-term effects on climate change that are largely "irreversible" for one thousand years after emissions stop (zero further emissions) even though carbon dioxide tends toward equilibrium with the ocean on a scale of 100 years. The greenhouse gases methane and nitrous oxide do not persist over time in the same way as carbon dioxide. Even if human carbon dioxide emissions were to completely cease, atmospheric temperatures are not expected to decrease significantly in the short term.
Even the smallest increases have large effects.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 2:22 pm to greygatch
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y do 97% of doctors in the field disagree, Beefdog?
The mouse is growing at an exponential rate.
Dude. Give it up. It's over. The "97%" fraud has been exposed as a lie along with every other propaganda as science nonsense that's been pushed by global warming people with agendas.
So just .... stop. Objective facts only please or you are just embarrassing yourself.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 2:28 pm to GoldenDawg
That's what science is you fricking dipshit. 90+% of scientists provide mounds of evidence.
But paranoid and delusional fricktards think its propaganda.
But paranoid and delusional fricktards think its propaganda.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 2:39 pm to greygatch
TIL copious amounts of published peer reviewed literature means nothing
Posted on 1/6/14 at 2:46 pm to greygatch
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Why do 97% of doctors in the field disagree, Beefdog?
Because that "97% of all climate scientists believes in man-made global warming/climate change." is total BS propaganda.
Check this: LINK
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The purpose of the Petition Project is to demonstrate that the claim of “settled science” and an overwhelming “consensus” in favor of the hypothesis of human-caused global warming and consequent climatological damage is wrong. No such consensus or settled science exists. As indicated by the petition text and signatory list, a very large number of American scientists reject this hypothesis.
Publicists at the United Nations, Mr. Al Gore, and their supporters frequently claim that only a few “skeptics” remain – skeptics who are still unconvinced about the existence of a catastrophic human-caused global warming emergency.
It is evident that 31,487 Americans with university degrees in science – including 9,029 PhDs, are not "a few." Moreover, from the clear and strong petition statement that they have signed, it is evident that these 31,487 American scientists are not “skeptics.”
These scientists are instead convinced that the human-caused global warming hypothesis is without scientific validity and that government action on the basis of this hypothesis would unnecessarily and counterproductively damage both human prosperity and the natural environment of the Earth.
That's over 31 thousand qualified climate scientists who do not believe that human influence is creating some future global climate catastrophe or that humans are even causing global warming or harmful climate change.
And the "mouse is growing at an exponential rate." is simply not true. Greenhouse gas emissions are DOWN every year since 2007 and currently lower right now than they were in 1996. And they are continuing to trend downward.
LINK
This post was edited on 1/6/14 at 2:50 pm
Posted on 1/6/14 at 2:54 pm to BeefDawg
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Greenhouse gas emissions are DOWN every year since 2007 and currently lower right now than they were in 1996. And they are continuing to trend downward.
In the US? That's adorable. Try global emissions, and remember, these are long-lasting emissions.
LINK
Posted on 1/6/14 at 2:59 pm to BeefDawg
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