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re: Check out this video of UGA student getting arrested
Posted on 8/25/15 at 3:49 pm to RedPants
Posted on 8/25/15 at 3:49 pm to RedPants
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that it seems like every time one of these incidents takes place, people defend the actions of the cops or say just to obey even when it violates someone's rights
It's pretty scary, isn't it?
There's this rampant psychosis in america where people will condemn a civilian for doing something, but will turn around and condone the exact same action from another...if that person is wearing a government issued uniform/costume.
Like they have been brainwashed to default towards "authority". Regardless.
They do this for cops, but their psychosis is even worse when it comes to the military or the troops. I swear.......There is no evil atrocity under the sun committed by the american military and their soldiers that large mobs of americans won't ignore or rationalize or excuse. Or even celebrate.
Ask boobus americanus if killiing innocent kids is wrong, and he'll/she'll answer "yes". Ask boobus americanus if a cop or a soldier killing an innocent kid is wrong, and he'll/she'll give you mindless talking points and rationalizations.
I think this is the real reason the busybodies want to remove religion from everything. They don't want a higher power competing with the government as the arbiter of morality and civility. It threatens to spoil their desired monopoly on it.
s.i.y.g.'e.
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Posted on 8/25/15 at 3:53 pm to MSGADawg5988
I'd like to know what the protocol is for this type of situation. What are the facts of this case?
A business calls the police due to that individual loitering. They want him off their property.
The police come, identify the suspect and warn him to leave the property.
The suspect refuses, so the police officer sprays him with pepper spray.
The suspect leaves the property.
The police officer (following numerous commands to stop) pursues the suspect off the property.
The suspect refused to stop or submit to the police officer.
The officer strikes the suspect's head x times and commands him to lay down with his hands behind his back.
The suspect sits down (obviously disoriented).
The officer strikes the suspect again and clarifies his command.
The suspect complies.
The officer cuffs the suspect (custody is established).
Can you see where enforcement of this simple ordinance went too far?
A business calls the police due to that individual loitering. They want him off their property.
The police come, identify the suspect and warn him to leave the property.
The suspect refuses, so the police officer sprays him with pepper spray.
The suspect leaves the property.
The police officer (following numerous commands to stop) pursues the suspect off the property.
The suspect refused to stop or submit to the police officer.
The officer strikes the suspect's head x times and commands him to lay down with his hands behind his back.
The suspect sits down (obviously disoriented).
The officer strikes the suspect again and clarifies his command.
The suspect complies.
The officer cuffs the suspect (custody is established).
Can you see where enforcement of this simple ordinance went too far?
This post was edited on 8/25/15 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 8/25/15 at 4:05 pm to Crowknowsbest
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When I was 20, I got pulled over on suspicion of DUI...
Sounds like you had grounds for a lawsuit on that one...
When I was around 20, I got pulled over on Baxter driving home late at night for speeding (I was probably doing around 60)
I was, amazingly, stone cold sober that particular night.
It was raining a monsoon. When the blue lights came on, I slowed down and drove about half a mile and pulled into a church parking lot that had a "drop off" arch by the door.
The cop (Athens PD) - came up to my window and he was HOT.
"Why they hell did you keep driving when I turned on my lights?"
"I pulled in here so we could be under cover and you wouldn't have to get wet."
His face went from hard assed drill sergeant to surprised. He smiled and said, "Slow it down son and have a good night."
I could have easily been arrested for doing 60 in what was either a 20 or 35; especially with the weather conditions...
Posted on 8/25/15 at 4:08 pm to DawgsLife
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He will get some dumb shite like "suspended with pay".
He was fired and is facing felony charges from the GBI.
link?
Fraser claimed that Roquet had struck him, justifying his use of force, but the video did not show this. Fraser was later fired.
Another surveillance video from a camera at the fraternity house was retrieved by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation and has not been released yet. ACC police have turned the case over to the GBI.
LINK
ty sir
Posted on 8/25/15 at 4:13 pm to dcbl
Last time I got pulled over was for an illegal U turn. I pulled into a parking lot and when the female officer saw my birthdate she laughed, took my picture with her chest cam and sent me on my way.... I still have no idea what that was all about.
Born April 20th
Born April 20th
Posted on 8/25/15 at 4:39 pm to AirDawg
All I know is, the cop gave him plenty of opportunities to leave and go home. He was your typical underage drinker and he could have arrested him for underage drinking, public intoxication, disorderly conduct, and trespassing right from the jump. But he didnt. Then, once he tried to cuff him and he pushed him away, you have assault. Even after he caught back up to him, he still did not comply with the officer and was resisting. Only then did the officer commenced to whoopin his arse. But it took a billy club to the skull and a few more to the back to get him to comply...excessive? Maybe. But he got his point across.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 6:22 pm to Crowknowsbest
Everyone needs to learn how to behave around Athens PD and you will be fine. I was drunk walking home from Mean Mikes late one night in 96. I was walking around where Pulaski and Broad intersect by the Holiday Inn. Cop pulled his car over on Pulaski right behind me and hit his lights.
I immediately fell to a prone position on my belly and layer my arms out in front of me. I could hear the pebbles crunch under his boots as he slowly circled me but I did not challenge his authority by eyeballing him. I did not speak. It was not until he gently placed his baton under my chin and cued me that it was permissible to look up that I saw his face. He told me to slowly rise and asked me for my papers. I gave him my license and told him I respected him for suspecting me of a crime but that I was just walking home. After a lengthy stare he simply said "Good......Good .....Now be on your way."
If more of you would learn how to treat cops you would be better off.
I immediately fell to a prone position on my belly and layer my arms out in front of me. I could hear the pebbles crunch under his boots as he slowly circled me but I did not challenge his authority by eyeballing him. I did not speak. It was not until he gently placed his baton under my chin and cued me that it was permissible to look up that I saw his face. He told me to slowly rise and asked me for my papers. I gave him my license and told him I respected him for suspecting me of a crime but that I was just walking home. After a lengthy stare he simply said "Good......Good .....Now be on your way."
If more of you would learn how to treat cops you would be better off.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 7:07 pm to Jefferson Dawg
If the perp was black, and shove the cop, it would have been a justified shooting.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 7:25 pm to Broncothor
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The kid was an idiot for not listening and obeying. But drunk kids often are that way. The kid should have been arrested, but not beaten unless he was threat to the police.
Didn't read the article, but I'm assuming since the guy is a UGA student that he's over 18. Therefore, he's an adult. Actions have consequences. Instead of focusing on where the problem started (uncooperative adult), many people so badly want to see a police officer be wrong.
Every time I've had an interaction with a police officer (and they have all occurred when I was drunk), I have cooperated because that's what I was taught to do at a young age. Because I cooperated, I've never been hit/beaten/violently subdued by a police officer.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 8:22 pm to WG_Dawg
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Do you agree that if he had stopped and complied with the officer that he would not have been beaten? Because as I said, everything that happened to him in that video is a result of him not stopping when being told to stop.
Probably a pretty good chance that if he had stopped when told to he wouldn't have even been arrested. That still doesn't excuse a cop beating a drunk in the head with a night club....that shite could have caused some serious damage and the kid is guilty of nothing more than being drunk....shouldn't be a death penalty at the ahnd of the state...
Posted on 8/25/15 at 8:27 pm to VADawg
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Didn't read the article, but I'm assuming since the guy is a UGA student that he's over 18. Therefore, he's an adult. Actions have consequences. Instead of focusing on where the problem started (uncooperative adult), many people so badly want to see a police officer be wrong.
Boobus doesn't even read the article. Boobus doesn't need to. Boobus know non-boobus just out to get cops. Because they don't love merica nuff. duh huh yes narrf gurp ind altdhapouth adjgbipagfbpar kljafajddkjfhyaiubg
Posted on 8/25/15 at 8:58 pm to Jefferson Dawg
Anyone that knows anything about law enforcement knows that police are trained in the use of reasonable force. just because you resist it doesn't give the officer the right to do whatever they want.
Being a smartass kid or even mouthing a cop doesn't mean you automatically deserve "what you get" when they bash in your head.
A cop that doesn't understand this has no business with that kind of authority. If there were multiple instances where this happened with this guy he needs to go if not prosecuted.
Being a smartass kid or even mouthing a cop doesn't mean you automatically deserve "what you get" when they bash in your head.
A cop that doesn't understand this has no business with that kind of authority. If there were multiple instances where this happened with this guy he needs to go if not prosecuted.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 9:12 pm to MSGADawg5988
The real problem there is 1) a drunk kid 2)'another example of a generation that has no respect for any authority whatsoever. All of the most recent shootings have a common theme, the first act that leads the situation to violence is a failure to follow lawful orders.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 9:18 pm to AirDawg
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Born April 20th
You and an not-overly-successful Austrian painter.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 9:29 pm to MSGADawg5988
Cop better be glad this was a white kid. Athens would be rioted and looted by now if not. (Just waiting to be called a racist rather than a realist).
Posted on 8/25/15 at 10:17 pm to RedPants
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No doubt this is the case, but it shouldn't be. That's the point. When their instructions violate my rights, should I still follow them?
The answer is yes. Follow the instructions and later file a complaint with the police department. Escalate it to the mayor, the federal government, and then to the media as necessary. You will accomplish much and not have a sore head.
But I saw no instance where the drunk had his rights violated.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 1:07 am to gatorhata9
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Pretty much. Just don't act like a dickhead and you won't be treated like one.
I would say he was treated much worse than a dickhead. A wasted drunk kid could have been subdued in a much more reasonable way.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 5:09 am to FaCubeItches
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Obey the police and cooperate
Leave your luggage on the platform! Clearly label it! Be sure to inhale deeply during ze disinfection shower; ze vapors are very healthful!
He (The officer) was definitely being like a Nazi, no doubt. I mean, he called him sir, and asked him to please stop several times. Stinking nazi! Seriously? You have no idea what you are talking about if you think that was what Nazis did.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 5:12 am to RedPants
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people defend the actions of the cops or say just to obey even when it violates someone's rights.
1. Mind showing me where we defended the cops actions?
2. MOST on here have repeatedly said the officer was wrong in what he did, but if the kid had obeyed it would not have happened. When an officer asks you to stop...or when an officer states you are under arrest and you try to walk away, or push the officer away bad things happen. Did he use too much force? Yes.
Oh, an NOBODY has the "right" to resist arrest.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 7:38 am to DawgsLife
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Oh, an NOBODY has the "right" to resist arrest.
Sheesh man..... You're like a caricature of the statist authoritarian evangelical.
Meanwhile, cops are bound by the law. And if they are acting outside of that, then you are not required to obey them. The End.
Beyond that, I have a natural right to resist and defend myself against unjust aggression. And it doesn't matter if the unjust aggressor is wearing a government issued blue costume or not. My "rights" don't come from him.
Sure....I would probably get arrested for doing this, but I have would have broken no just law. I would have only broken some man-made UNJUST law.
Lex iniusta non est lex
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