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Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:02 pm to RedPants
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When their instructions violate my rights, should I still follow them?
How does this pertain to the video?
Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:07 pm to RedPants
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That's stupid. Respect is earned, not given. If you're the kind of cop that reacts like that, you don't deserve my respect.
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That's stupid. Respect is earned, not given.
Out of curiosity....does this mean you do not have to respect anyone when you first meet them? They can't have "earned" any respect on first meeting.
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If you're the kind of cop that reacts like that, you don't deserve my respect.
Just for the sake of argument...wasn't the cop reacting to the kids actions? Do you feel you can disobey police officers and the officer can't do anything about it?
1. The kid was publicly intoxicated
2. The kid willfully disobeyed a police officer
3. The kid placed his hands on the Police Officer
If the officer had been very respectful and asked politely for the kid to stop and be placed under arrest, do you think the kid would have obeyed?
I wouldn't want to be an officer, personally. Every word and movement you make is watched and second guessed, and criticized. Just my opinion.
I have always spoken respectfully to police officers and I have never had a bad experience. None have ever been rude, disrespectful or out of the way with me. I'm not saying all cops are good, but not all cops are bad, either.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:10 pm to Dawg in Beaumont
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For the crowd defending this scum, is there any incident where you think police have gone too far? Has a policeman ever made a mistake in their reaction?
Absolutely. Turn it around, now. has a cop ever done anything right in your eyes?
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I had relatives who love to call themselves "small government advocates" who defended the cop who shot the kid in Charleston 8 times in the back.
Saw the video. Indefensible action. That cop will get what he deserves.
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then fail to critique this jackass for beating the shite out of someone because they felt like it.
Do you honestly believe that there are hordes of cops that do this?
Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:11 pm to DawgsLife
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Every word and movement you make is watched and second guessed, and criticized. Just my opinion.
I'll criticize anyone who swings a police baton at a kid on the ground who isn't threatening anyone. It doesn't matter whether the person is a cop or not.
The kid is an idiot who likely deserved to spend a night in jail. The cop is a violent criminal.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:12 pm to td01241
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I hope you get beaten like that.
That makes you better than the cop......how? You want someone beaten because they express their opinion that is different from your own? oooook.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:12 pm to DawgsLife
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Out of curiosity....does this mean you do not have to respect anyone when you first meet them? They can't have "earned" any respect on first meeting.
I don't respect someone until I get to know them. I'm civil and friendly to just about everyone I meet, but that's a totally different thing than respecting someone.
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If the officer had been very respectful and asked politely for the kid to stop and be placed under arrest, do you think the kid would have obeyed?
No doubt the kid was being a drunk douche, but there's a big gap between asking politely and cracking the kid over the head with a weapon.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:12 pm to RedPants
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When their instructions violate my rights, should I still follow them?
I admittedly am not a legal scholar, so I am truly pleading ignorance here. But what rights were violated prior to the altercation? We have an underage person who is intoxicated...is that not enough of a situatino for the police to want to investigate further? At the beginning of where I started watching the video, the police was clearly and plainly telling the dude to stop, and the dude flat out ignored. Sorry, but he brought anything else on himself at that point.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:14 pm to WG_Dawg
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I admittedly am not a legal scholar, so I am truly pleading ignorance here. But what rights were violated prior to the altercation? We have an underage person who is intoxicated...is that not enough of a situatino for the police to want to investigate further? At the beginning of where I started watching the video, the police was clearly and plainly telling the dude to stop, and the dude flat out ignored.
Agree
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Sorry, but he brought anything else on himself at that point.
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Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:14 pm to RedPants
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He will get some dumb shite like "suspended with pay".
He was fired and is facing felony charges from the GBI.
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Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:14 pm to RedPants
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No doubt this is the case, but it shouldn't be.
So, it is your opinion that you should be able to do and say what you please to one in authority and no consequences will come of it? Let me know how your life turns out. It'll be a rough one, trust me. And you won't have problems only with police officers.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:15 pm to Crowknowsbest
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Disagree
Do you agree that if he had stopped and complied with the officer that he would not have been beaten? Because as I said, everything that happened to him in that video is a result of him not stopping when being told to stop.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:18 pm to RedPants
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I don't respect someone until I get to know them. I'm civil and friendly to just about everyone I meet, but that's a totally different thing than respecting someone.
You are in for some tough lessons, then. You will learn to respect positions if not the person. If you do not like your boss, and therefor do not respect him, you had better treat him/her with respect because of the position they hold, or you want stay in a job for any length of time.
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No doubt the kid was being a drunk douche, but there's a big gap between asking politely and cracking the kid over the head with a weapon.
Yes there is. But the officer and asked him to stop several times and the kid kept walking away. Should the cop have just let him go?
Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:18 pm to WG_Dawg
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Do you agree that if he had stopped and complied with the officer that he would not have been beaten?
Yes, but ignoring a cop in itself shouldn't bring about the possibility of getting beaten by that cop, assuming that cop is a reasonable person.
What happened in that video is a combination of that kid being a drunk idiot and that cop being an incompetent fatass.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:22 pm to WG_Dawg
WG is right just do what the officer asks! That would have been a whole different scenario if he had stopped and complied. Now everyone wants him fired?? My generation is screwed all entitled and have no respect for authority.I'm in my early 20s and have no clue why the respect issue is such a big deal now.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:23 pm to Crowknowsbest
As with a lot of videos like these, I agree the cop could/should have handled it better. However, it never would have even escalated to that point if the citizen (a drunk underage kid at that) had listened to the law enforcement officer whose job it is to look into matters such as that.
What should he have done? He asked the kid to stop multiple times, clearly. The kid keeps ignoring and tries to go into whatever building that is. Shoudl the cop have said "oh well, chalk that up to bad luck" and just let him go? What else shoudl he have done?
What should he have done? He asked the kid to stop multiple times, clearly. The kid keeps ignoring and tries to go into whatever building that is. Shoudl the cop have said "oh well, chalk that up to bad luck" and just let him go? What else shoudl he have done?
Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:24 pm to dcbl
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He will get some dumb shite like "suspended with pay".
He was fired and is facing felony charges from the GBI.
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Fraser claimed that Roquet had struck him, justifying his use of force, but the video did not show this. Fraser was later fired.
Another surveillance video from a camera at the fraternity house was retrieved by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation and has not been released yet. ACC police have turned the case over to the GBI.
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Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:27 pm to WG_Dawg
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The kid keeps ignoring and tries to go into whatever building that is.
Then the officer tries to (gently) physically stop the kid from going into the building, and the kid turned around and pushed the copy away.
You just can't do that. The cop had a valid reason to stop him prior to this moment.
It escalated after that and the cop used too much force, but if the kid complies with an officer of the law, it doesn't go that far.
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Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:28 pm to WG_Dawg
He should have just tased him would have taken less energy and time. Plus there's no real harm brought to the individual getting tased besides some small barb marks and an abrupt loss of movement. Or he could have bent him over his knee and given him a good whippin like his parents should have done when was a kid. 
Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:30 pm to WG_Dawg
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What should he have done? He asked the kid to stop multiple times, clearly. The kid keeps ignoring and tries to go into whatever building that is. Shoudl the cop have said "oh well, chalk that up to bad luck" and just let him go? What else shoudl he have done?
Cops are trained and paid to handle these types of situations. The video shows straight-up incompetence.
If he won't stop and comply, pin him against the wall and cuff him. If that doesn't work, tackle him, pin him to the ground, and cuff him.
If a cop is not physically able to do either of those things and the only options are to shoot him or beat him over the head with a stick, he should let him go and be reassigned to a desk job. It's not like this kid was some athletic beast. He was a drunk frat dude.
Nothing this kid did justified the action that the officer took.
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