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re: Carter, Bellamy, Michel and Chubb
Posted on 12/11/16 at 1:03 pm to RD Dawg
Posted on 12/11/16 at 1:03 pm to RD Dawg
Yeah OLB is looking a little rough next year if both leave. From what I understand, Bellamy is definitely gone, not sure about Lorenzo. I think Lorenzo would blow up enough at the combine that his draft stock would go up higher that what his production dictates it should be, if somebody gets in his ear and convinces him of that then I think he's gone too.
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Posted on 12/11/16 at 3:31 pm to 3morereps
I just read on Dawg Nation that Mel Kiper isn't giving Sony or Chubb that high draft grades. Says they both should come back, and that both of them aren't even top 10 rbs for the upcoming draft. He also goes on to say that if they are happy with possibly getting drafted in the 3-4 rounds then go for it. Now I love them both (DGD), but neither should bother coming back. The OL woes wont not be much better next year either.
Posted on 12/11/16 at 3:49 pm to Glory, Glory
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We won't miss Carter or Bellamy, so good riddance.
sigh
Posted on 12/11/16 at 5:36 pm to WG_Dawg
All 4 are 100% leaving
Posted on 12/11/16 at 5:49 pm to AUGDawg
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All 4 are 100% leaving
More likely than not, but I wouldn't say 100%.
Both RBs should probably go, chubb is 100% but I could see a slight, small glimmer of hope to see sony come back.
Bellamy's situation is weird as hell. Nobody in CFB outside of UGA fans have even heard of him, but his mom on social media basically made it seem like when the clock hits 0s in teh bowl game he's out the door. Strange.
Carter I'm kinda 50/50 on. As many others have said, the guy is a physical freak and a prototype OLB body. But the production hasn't really been there. Outside of a few games early when he was spelling Floyd/Jenkins, and a few games this year when he got his act together, he's been quiet as a church mouse.
Ultiamtely it all boils down to exactly how much money these guys wanna make. Chubb can go late 2nd/early 3rd and still get a good payday and be set for decades. Guys like bellamy may be lucky to make the 4th/5th so they aren't doing it to get rich immediately, they either dont' want to be in college anymore or think that they'll just catch on somewhere and ball out.
Posted on 12/11/16 at 6:37 pm to WG_Dawg
In all fairness to Bellamy, he has already given UGA 4 years.
I know when I graduated, I had the opportunity to stay in school for a double-major or go make money. I chose money. And it was less than a practice squad player makes.
I can see Sony staying if he wants the draft grade and guaranteed money. But the trick for tailbacks is to get that 2nd contract. And leaving earlier helps that cause.
The same can be said for Carter. But the 2nd contract isn't as dire for OLBs. Getting a bigger 1st contract makes more sense to me. Coming back for a 2nd year in the scheme with a lot more experienced DL and ILB could really help the sack totals.
I know when I graduated, I had the opportunity to stay in school for a double-major or go make money. I chose money. And it was less than a practice squad player makes.
I can see Sony staying if he wants the draft grade and guaranteed money. But the trick for tailbacks is to get that 2nd contract. And leaving earlier helps that cause.
The same can be said for Carter. But the 2nd contract isn't as dire for OLBs. Getting a bigger 1st contract makes more sense to me. Coming back for a 2nd year in the scheme with a lot more experienced DL and ILB could really help the sack totals.
Posted on 12/11/16 at 6:55 pm to meansonny
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I had the opportunity to stay in school for a double-major or go make money. I chose money. And it was less than a practice squad player makes.
Difference is that was your career path for your life until you retire. Bellamy, while certainly making more than the average joe on a practice squad, could see that disappear 6 months later and never catch on again and be out of work at age 24.
Posted on 12/11/16 at 7:20 pm to WG_Dawg
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Difference is that was your career path for your life until you retire. Bellamy, while certainly making more than the average joe on a practice squad, could see that disappear 6 months later and never catch on again and be out of work at age 24.
There is no difference. He has his diploma. Is he the kind of kid who aspires to a double major or masters? If I judge by his mother, I will say heck no.
Simetimes, experience is the best educator.
If I'm bellamy, I leave.
If I'm carter, I consult the draft gurus.
If I'm sony, I do research about all purpose backs and their success getting 2nd contracts. The higher probability for a 2nd contract, the more I focus on the initial draft grade. The lower percentage of 2nd contracts... the more I think tread on the tires is valuable and I leave.
Posted on 12/11/16 at 9:41 pm to 3morereps
Mel Kiper, Jr. says Michel and Chubb should stay in college another year. I agree.
Posted on 12/11/16 at 9:51 pm to Cobb Dawg
Injuries can cut a career short (Marcus Lattimore). Its amazing Chubb was able to return after what happened to him and Michel has had some painful ones to. Michel and Chubb should go to the NFL and cash in. If the Dawgs can hold on to Swift and Carter there will be 4 talented RB's on the roster for '17 who I feel will get the job done.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 7:10 am to TMDawg
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Carter hasn't been awful (though has been inconsistent) and I thought Bellamy has actually played pretty good this year
So we can’t generate a pass rush all year from our edge rushers, but somehow they pretty good? JFC, our fanbase has split personalities. Carter and Bellamy are garbage, down vote that shite
Posted on 12/12/16 at 7:25 am to Glory, Glory
You are garbage....
Posted on 12/12/16 at 7:28 am to 3morereps
None of those 4 will be a high draft pick. But, I bet they all leave.
This post was edited on 12/12/16 at 7:34 am
Posted on 12/12/16 at 8:59 am to DawgRff
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Injuries can cut a career short (Marcus Lattimore). Its amazing Chubb was able to return after what happened to him and Michel has had some painful ones to.
Do we know the % of repeat injuries are for someone who had a total knee injury like Chubb? Is the knee stronger afterwards? Does the player put more stress on the other knee?
I saw the Kiper post about both going out next season but doesn't that put them against a real strong RB class?
Posted on 12/12/16 at 11:14 am to Glory, Glory
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So we can’t generate a pass rush all year from our edge rushers, but somehow they pretty good?
Edge rushers don't rush a passer willy nilly. I saw many, many times where, on third and long Carter was being used to spy the QB. None of us know what scheme was chosen or when. We finished 7th in the SEC in sacks, and I can just about guarantee that our sacks went up significantly in the second half of the season when the coaching staff got comfortable with our personnel.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 11:37 am to DawgsLife
Carter's tackling skills left a lot to be desired. He wiffed on a bunch.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 12:26 pm to AUGDawg
We have quite a few sports agents on board. How can anyone say 1) whether a player's is 100% certain to enter the draft, or 2) should enter the draft, given the status of any one of the aforementioned players. Chubb could stay at UGA, win the Heisman, and be a #1 draft pick next year and make much, much more money than he would if he entered now. No one can say with any certainty what would be his best move.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 12:31 pm to Cobb Dawg
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Chubb could stay at UGA, win the Heisman, and be a #1 draft pick next year and make much, much more money than he would if he entered now.
You're right. He could also get hurt in the season opener and never play a down of football again in his life. There's simply no way to see the future...and in someone like Chubb's shoes who has already had a devastating knee injury I can easily see why he might want to go ahead and get paid now instead of holding off.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 3:35 pm to WG_Dawg
tread on the tires is a big deal for tailbacks.
Chubb needs to go to guarantee some money and to get an earlier opportunity for that second contract.
Sony probably needs to do the same. But I could see him having a higher draft upside being the #1 back for a season. Still... if you are Sony, what are your thoughts about playing 12 games without getting dinged up and hurting your per game production? It makes more sense to go and save the wear and tear for the NFL.
Chubb needs to go to guarantee some money and to get an earlier opportunity for that second contract.
Sony probably needs to do the same. But I could see him having a higher draft upside being the #1 back for a season. Still... if you are Sony, what are your thoughts about playing 12 games without getting dinged up and hurting your per game production? It makes more sense to go and save the wear and tear for the NFL.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 5:13 pm to meansonny
I get the life span of a RB in the NFL (and total career really), but with splitting carries, it's not like these guys are carrying it 25-30 carries every game. Especially with our stable of backs. Sony won't be in the guaranteed money range and while Chubb might, if he falls to the late 2nd round or 3rd, he will lose out on a lot of money as opposed to coming out next year.
If it were my kid, I'd prolly tell him to go, but this isn't a case where it's cut and dry.
If it were my kid, I'd prolly tell him to go, but this isn't a case where it's cut and dry.
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