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Posted on 9/5/17 at 8:27 pm to WorkinDawg
Posted on 9/5/17 at 8:27 pm to WorkinDawg
This is when I'd love to have somebody boring but consistent like Mason or Lambert at 3rd string to back up Fromm while Eason is on the mend.
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Posted on 9/5/17 at 9:01 pm to Barstools
Pretty sure that was posted entirely in jest.
Posted on 9/6/17 at 6:01 am to WorkinDawg
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the first 3 series looked exactly like an entire season worth of series last year. The logical conclusion is not much has changed. The illogical conclusion is that he was going to break trend and do something we've never seen him do sometime later in the game.
Using your logic....
Chubb's first three carries of the game left him with Minus 3 yards, plus 2 and minus 1 yard for a total of 3 rushes for -2 yards. Based upon that should we have thought he was not recovered from his injury fully and expect a pedestrian year out of him? Maybe quit giving him the ball as much?
It's not unusual for QB's to start slowly and then fall into a rhythm. I'm not ready to throw Eason out just yet. I love Fromm and was very impressed with his debut. However, had we been playing a legitimate SEC opponent, the TD to Wims probably would have been picked off. There was another pass or two that looked as if he threw the ball up. As usual, people are overreacting to a first game.
This post was edited on 9/6/17 at 7:38 am
Posted on 9/6/17 at 6:14 am to SneakyWaff1es
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It's the same guy that got trotted out there last season. Throwing off his back foot and not seeing the field.
Fromm threw off his back foot 2-3 times, too. Granted, Fromm saw the field very well. But Eason has a strong arm, and Fromm's arm might be average to slightly above. If you think throwing off the back foot looked bad with Eason's arm, wait until you see it with an arm that is not as strong. Both have some growing to do as a QB.
I was impressed by Fromm. he looked really, really good. But he made mistakes and will continue to do so. If he stays as the starter, I would expect similar numbers to what Eason put up last season. It could be a bit better, since he sees the field a bit better, but it might not be better. Fromm probably could not make the throw that Eason did against Tennessee last year. I do believe that he would have made the throw against Missouri, though. Just my opinion.
Posted on 9/6/17 at 7:17 am to Barstools
Passes, schmasses... the point is the fact that he's still throwing off his back foot and still skiddish in the pocket. If we had seen improvement in these areas, incompletes aren't so troublesome.
Posted on 9/6/17 at 9:56 am to DawgsLife
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Chubb's first three carries of the game left him with Minus 3 yards, plus 2 and minus 1 yard for a total of 3 rushes for -2 yards. Based upon that should we have thought he was not recovered from his injury fully and expect a pedestrian year out of him? Maybe quit giving him the ball as much?
It's not unusual for QB's to start slowly and then fall into a rhythm. I'm not ready to throw Eason out just yet. I love Fromm and was very impressed with his debut. However, had we been playing a legitimate SEC opponent, the TD to Wims probably would have been picked off. There was another pass or two that looked as if he threw the ball up. As usual, people are overreacting to a first game.
This is a really good post.
Posted on 9/6/17 at 10:15 am to DawgsLife
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the TD to Wims probably would have been picked off.
Wims is like 7" taller than the two DBs that are there. That ball was thrown where the only person that had a chance of getting to it was Wims.
Posted on 9/6/17 at 10:48 am to Barstools
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reason it was only three passes is because he got hurt on a late hit out of bounds. Not because he started 1/3. The coaches weren't going to take him out due to 2 missed passes.
It was only 3 because he forgot to throw the ball away, which got himself hurt.
Posted on 9/6/17 at 10:49 am to WorkinDawg
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do something we've never seen him do sometime later in the game.
Which would be what?
Posted on 9/6/17 at 10:52 am to DawgsLife
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had we been playing a legitimate SEC opponent, the TD to Wims probably would have been picked off.
Nah. Trust your 6'4 wr to make a play and he did.
Posted on 9/6/17 at 10:58 am to djsdawg
quote:While not the greatest throw, this is a valid point. A lot of the amazing throws we see every year by other teams are just the QB throwing it up "for grabs" and trusting their WR to come down with it. It takes more than one person to execute a passing play.
Nah. Trust your 6'4 wr to make a play and he did
Posted on 9/6/17 at 11:33 am to Dawgholio
It seems that Fromm has a greater sense of urgency than Eason, while Eason seems more laid back. Maybe it's the hurry up system that they use with Fromm since he only uses about half of the playbook.
Posted on 9/6/17 at 12:01 pm to SneakyWaff1es
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Wims is like 7" taller than the two DBs that are there. That ball was thrown where the only person that had a chance of getting to it was Wims.
Which is why I said if we were playing against a legitimate SEC Opponent. We were not and it went for a TD. 7" might be a tiny stretch, don't you think?
Posted on 9/6/17 at 12:03 pm to DawgsLife
Wims would still likely have a 4-6 inch advantage. I would trust him to make the catch or prevent the int.
Posted on 9/6/17 at 12:05 pm to djsdawg
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Nah. Trust your 6'4 wr to make a play and he did.
Maybe, maybe not. I mean, yes, he did make the play. It could have been very, very different had Fromm tried that against SEC DB's. Wims might have gone up and gotten that ball, anyway. But those DB's probably wouldn't have been so out of position if they were legit DB's. They were both in the end zone and Wims came back for the ball. It looked to me like Fromm put everything he had into throwing that ball. I am guessing he did and the ball came up short giving Wims a chance to come back for the ball. If you guys want to believe it was planned....ok.
Posted on 9/6/17 at 12:06 pm to djsdawg
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Wims would still likely have a 4-6 inch advantage. I would trust him to make the catch or prevent the int.
Possibly. All we can do is speculate.
Posted on 9/6/17 at 12:15 pm to DawgsLife
I don't remember which 6'4" wr from FSU it was but he made an absolute bitch out of Minkah Fitzpatrick for a TD Saturday night. Fitzpatrick is one of the best DBs in the country. Size counts.
Posted on 9/6/17 at 12:40 pm to DawgsLife
You are discounting a size advantage and exaggerating a talent advantage.
Posted on 9/6/17 at 1:23 pm to SneakyWaff1es
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I don't remember which 6'4" wr from FSU it was but he made an absolute bitch out of Minkah Fitzpatrick for a TD Saturday night. Fitzpatrick is one of the best DBs in the country. Size counts.
Yes, it does. Might the 6' 4" WR from Florida State have had a fair amount of talent, too, though? Yes. Height makes a difference. Talent makes a difference.
Would you rather have height with not talent, or talent with very little height?
A 5'11" WR like Antonio Brown, or a 6'4" WR with average talent? I'm not sure where we are going with this, though. The DB's were way out of position. Wims might have made the catch even if they were in position. Who knows? Speculating is rather pointless.
Posted on 9/6/17 at 1:24 pm to djsdawg
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You are discounting a size advantage and exaggerating a talent advantage.
True. because I would rather have a very talented WR that is average in height, than a very tall receiver that is average in talent. Just my opinion, but talent will win over size more often than not.
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