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re: A lot of folks picking UNC...
Posted on 8/10/16 at 3:25 pm to djsdawg
Posted on 8/10/16 at 3:25 pm to djsdawg
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rst game of the season that's a big advantage for the offense
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Isn't this the opposite of what's generally considered true?
Yes. It is. Early in the season (1st couple of games) the advantage is normally with the defense. Offense requires timing and it takes time to get that timing down. Defense, while they have assignments, is more reaction. In a very basic way of putting it (And this is WAY oversimplified) defense is primarily instinct/reaction. You go to the ball. AGAIN...that is way over simplified and I realize this does not say it all.
Offense is more timing. Handing the ball off is a lot of timing. Familiarity on whether the QB is handing the ball off or pulling the ball out and doing something else with a play involving options. Timing between the QB and WR. I understand they work together a lot....but even Olympic track relay teams drop the baton. So, it is a lot of getting used to each other again for the QB/RB/WRs.
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Posted on 8/10/16 at 6:19 pm to DawgsLife
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Yes. It is. Early in the season (1st couple of games) the advantage is normally with the defense. Offense requires timing and it takes time to get that timing down. Defense, while they have assignments, is more reaction. In a very basic way of putting it (And this is WAY oversimplified) defense is primarily instinct/reaction. You go to the ball. AGAIN...that is way over simplified and I realize this does not say it all.
Offense is more timing. Handing the ball off is a lot of timing. Familiarity on whether the QB is handing the ball off or pulling the ball out and doing something else with a play involving options. Timing between the QB and WR. I understand they work together a lot....but even Olympic track relay teams drop the baton. So, it is a lot of getting used to each other again for the QB/RB/WRs.
Guess we just got lucky the first couple of games the past 3 seasons:
'13
UGA - 35, Clemson - 38
UGA - 41, USCe - 30
'14
UGA - 45, Buffalo - 23
UGA - 41, Mizzou - 20
'15
UGA - 51, ULM - 14
UGA - 31, Vandy - 14
UGA - 52, USCe - 20
Posted on 8/10/16 at 7:18 pm to Cobb Dawg
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UGA - 45, Buffalo - 23
UGA - 41, Mizzou - 20
Those were 2012 games. 2014 opener was 45-21 over Clemson.
There are simple explanations for the high scoring openers recently.
2012: It was fricking Buffalo.
2013: Murray and Gurley were awesome, and something still felt off about the offense that day.
2014: Gurley was a savage.
2015: It was fricking ULM
Posted on 8/10/16 at 8:09 pm to VADawg
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There are simple explanations for the high scoring openers recently.
2012: It was fricking Buffalo.
2013: Murray and Gurley were awesome, and something still felt off about the offense that day.
2014: Gurley was a savage.
2015: It was fricking ULM
2012: Glossed right over 41 vs Mizzou. The point was timing and hand offs, etc. We should have trouble performing vs air if that's the case.
2013: Not sure I follow your logic. Not sure there is any. We were good because we were good and shouldn't have been good?
2014: (see 2013)
2015: Glossed over fricking 52 vs USCe.
We've started out strong offensively in each of the past 4 seasons, didn't look back further. If the argument is that our offenses start out weaker than opposing defenses because of timing, etc., it hasn't been proven here or on the field. I expect UGA to score a lot of points vs UNC as I think our offense has the advantage. Time will tell.
Posted on 8/10/16 at 8:28 pm to Cobb Dawg
Your year/timeline is SLIGHTLY off... Jus a little... But yeah... NC is different than all of the teams listed above...
Posted on 8/10/16 at 8:42 pm to Cobb Dawg
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If the argument is that our offenses start out weaker than opposing defenses because of timing
The argument for me is the offense started out well because we relied on great players with lots of experience in the system in both games against Clemson, and rolled up huge numbers against awful teams in the other two years.
This year, the opponent isn't awful, Lambert isn't great, Eason is a freshman, neither have any experience running Chaney's offense in a game, and both of our top two RBs are still sort of question marks with injuries. Could we score a lot against UNC? Absolutely. They got absolutely steamrolled by Baylor when they last played football. Could we struggle to score points against UNC? Sure, for all of the reasons listed above.
Posted on 8/10/16 at 8:59 pm to VADawg
I think Baylor just ran it in for another TD .....
Posted on 8/10/16 at 10:06 pm to VADawg
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The argument for me is the offense started out well because we relied on great players with lots of experience in the system in both games against Clemson, and rolled up huge numbers against awful teams in the other two years.
This year, the opponent isn't awful, Lambert isn't great, Eason is a freshman, neither have any experience running Chaney's offense in a game, and both of our top two RBs are still sort of question marks with injuries. Could we score a lot against UNC? Absolutely. They got absolutely steamrolled by Baylor when they last played football. Could we struggle to score points against UNC? Sure, for all of the reasons listed above.
I think we'll be fine, for all of the reasons that I've pointed out. We usually do well, offensively, early in the season. Stats prove it.
Posted on 8/10/16 at 10:06 pm to VADawg
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The argument for me is the offense started out well because we relied on great players with lots of experience in the system in both games against Clemson, and rolled up huge numbers against awful teams in the other two years.
This year, the opponent isn't awful, Lambert isn't great, Eason is a freshman, neither have any experience running Chaney's offense in a game, and both of our top two RBs are still sort of question marks with injuries. Could we score a lot against UNC? Absolutely. They got absolutely steamrolled by Baylor when they last played football. Could we struggle to score points against UNC? Sure, for all of the reasons listed above.
I think we'll be fine, for all of the reasons that I've pointed out. We usually do well, offensively, early in the season. Stats prove it.
Posted on 8/12/16 at 4:22 am to Cobb Dawg
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'13 UGA - 35, Clemson - 38 UGA - 41, USCe - 30 '14 UGA - 45, Buffalo - 23 UGA - 41, Mizzou - 20 '15 UGA - 51, ULM - 14 UGA - 31, Vandy - 14 UGA - 52, USCe - 20
Our 1st real opponent each season:
08: 14 vs SC.
09: 10 vs Okie State
10: 6 vs SC
11: 21 vs Boise, 7 of which came on an 80 yard run by a CB. Didnt have a legit TD drive until late 3rd q
12: Got to 41 vs Mizzou, but the final 17 came on 21 total yards due to turnovers.
13: Our offense was very talented and experienced at all positions. Still, it hit a major rut in the Clemson game, and it cost us.
14: UGA had 17 O points with about 10 mins to go, and then we erupted on 3 TD on 3 straight rushes in the 4th Q vs Clemson.
15: Our O only scored 17 points vs Vandy.
Posted on 8/12/16 at 5:54 am to Cobb Dawg
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Guess we just got lucky the first couple of games the past 3 seasons:
I'm just saying that if you ask anybody at all....ANYBODY that has played football at the High School level and up, they will tell you it takes longer for the Offense to jell than the defense. You can put any kind of scores up to try to prove what I am saying is wrong, but people that have played (Yes, I've played) will tell you that defense comes along faster. Now, by the first game both MIGHT be hitting on all cylinders. But more than likely it will be a game or two before the offense settles in. You don't have to agree with me, but that's just the way it is.
Posted on 8/12/16 at 6:03 am to djsdawg
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This post was edited on 8/12/16 at 7:14 am
Posted on 8/12/16 at 6:06 am to Cobb Dawg
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2012: Glossed right over 41 vs Mizzou. The point was timing and hand offs, etc. We should have trouble performing vs air if that's the case.
Nobody said the offense is inept. I said that the defense is usually ahead of the offense going into a season.
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2015: Glossed over fricking 52 vs USCe.
USCe was horrible. They won 3 games all year. USCe was the third game. The offense should be up to speed by then. It doesn't stay that way the whole season. Just the first game or two. And it will vary team by team. You are just being obtuse because I disagreed with you.
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We've started out strong offensively in each of the past 4 seasons, didn't look back further. If the argument is that our offenses start out weaker than opposing defenses because of timing, etc., it hasn't been proven here or on the field. I expect UGA to score a lot of points vs UNC as I think our offense has the advantage. Time will tell.
I think I see the disconnect, here. The offense will normally start off behind the defense at the beginning of the season. However, a strong offense will still put points up on a weak defense...just not as many (USUALLY) as they would a game or two later. Look it's not a glaring thing. It's not something an average fan might pick up on. But I can assure you the offense takes longer to jell than the defense.
Posted on 8/12/16 at 6:10 am to RD Dawg
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So SC wasn't a "real opponent"?You mean the same SC team that BEAT Vandy?Played UF better than us and lost to Clemson by 5?
No. They were not. First...they were our third game.
Second they also lost by 34 to LSU, Got beat by the Citadel, lost to Kentucky, and lost to a bad Missouri team. You can cherry pick to make points, but South Carolina was flat out awful last year, and their fans will tell you this.
Posted on 8/12/16 at 6:15 am to djsdawg
And to further the point a bit further...since a couple of people want to point o USCe for us scoring 52 on them.....do you really think Carolina's defense was good enough to hold North Carolina to 13 points? North Carolina ran a heavy timing type offense. Think about that. USCe held NC to 13 points.
Posted on 8/12/16 at 6:22 am to Cobb Dawg
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I think we'll be fine,
I may not agree with your reasoning, but I agree that I think we will be ok. NC runs a heavy timing type passing attack. the early season game, in my opinion, will affect them more than us. Passing takes longer to come along than a running game, because passes are timing oriented. We will put up points on North Carolina. They will probably put up points on us. It really depends on how quickly their QB meshes with the offense. Like you said....we'll just have to wait and see. I was never arguing that we were at a disadvantage against NC....they face the same disadvantage we do as far as offense vs. defense, and they are more reliant upon their offense.
Posted on 8/12/16 at 6:23 am to DawgsLife
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No. They were not. First...
Thanks for the brilliant analysis.We ALL know they weren't our 1st opponent.
This post was edited on 8/12/16 at 7:23 am
Posted on 8/12/16 at 6:29 am to RD Dawg
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Thanks for the brilliant analysis.We ALL know they weren't our 1st opponent just replying to the post that called Vandy our 1st "real opponent" in 2015
Ah. I see you've met Fingerwagger McFloodstheBoard..
Posted on 8/12/16 at 6:34 am to RD Dawg
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Thanks for the brilliant analysis.We ALL know they weren't our 1st opponent just replying to the post that called Vandy our 1st "real opponent" in 2015.
I see you cut the rest of the post off. They were our third opponent. Typically timing issues have been worked out by then. RD...I don't mean to sound patronizing or like I am talking down to you....but...have you ever played at the High School level or higher?
Posted on 8/12/16 at 6:38 am to RD Dawg
Look. Find somebody that has played at the high school level or higher and ask them. Don't take my word for it. (You obviously are not) But ask them....in the first game or two of the season who has the advantage...Offense or defense?
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