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re: Want a good laugh? Chip on realignment, 5 years later.

Posted on 6/18/15 at 10:55 am to
Posted by Dr RC
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Posted on 6/18/15 at 10:55 am to
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steve patterson has been rubbing people the wrong way and the people in the athletic department arent happy with how he has gone about his shite. neither are the season ticket holders


the stuff he lists out in this article LINK doesn't really sound all that different than the profits above all else, optics, fairness, and rationality be damned mentality that has slowly been creeping in at A&M the last dozen or so years.
This post was edited on 6/18/15 at 11:01 am
Posted by tmc94
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Posted on 6/18/15 at 11:14 am to
Chip's not a very good reporter. He hears one side of a story and treats it as fact and he's incredibly naive to big picture things.

But I like Bruce Feldman and while his pumping up Chip was a little comical, for the most part the discussion was interesting and honestly I think it was pretty fair
Posted by tmc94
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Posted on 6/18/15 at 11:17 am to
I think a big reason they are taking offense is they've been lied to for so long about revenue that they can't understand how or why they would do such things. Their accounting games have been a source of pride but now it's biting them in the arse.

Like every other athletic department, they need money. But every other fanbase opens their wallets because they need to keep up. The sips honestly believe they don't need to because they've been told they are Richey Rich for 15+ years.
Posted by Dr RC
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Posted on 6/18/15 at 12:02 pm to
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I think a big reason they are taking offense is they've been lied to for so long about revenue that they can't understand how or why they would do such things. Their accounting games have been a source of pride but now it's biting them in the arse.


I would again argue that has been going on at A&M as well.

I don't care enough to get into it but I know quite a few people who are major donors that have begun to feel this way as well as a few who have thrown their hands up in disgust and have drastically reduced what they are willing to give.

Posted by Cooter Davenport
Austin, TX
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 6/18/15 at 12:25 pm to
I think the way the 12th Man Foundation is run is terrible. They're a pack of incompetent jerks. The way that re-seating was handled was terrible by itself and I think shameful in the way that they threw out lifetime promises they had sold people, but aside from all that, they've shown themselves again and again to be disorganized, sloppy, and unresponsive in everything they do. That definitely hurts their mission, and I won't give them any money. But, much different than UT, A&M hasn't been trumpeting to everyone that we're the Kings of Revenue for the past 10 years, either. And no one at A&M has been making 'we're the Jones'comments for a decade.

The situation that UT is facing with Patterson vs. the fans & Patterson vs. the University is worse than what A&M is facing trying to raise money from a tapped-out fanbase that's continually treated more like a customer of a major corporation than an alumnus though. Bill Byrne took on re-charting most seating areas vs donation levels and adjusting our ticket prices a decade ago. Patterson is just now having to deal with people's grandchildren using their dead grandfather's gandfathered $50 50 yard line prime seats at the same time as he is trying to sell a team that's going through the "wandering in the desert" years to a fairweather fanbase, at the same time as he's having to figure out how to pay for a new arena because the one he has is set to be demolished to make way for a hospital boondoggle and now he's been depansed because it has been revaeled that he was asking for money for a new tennis facility even though that money was already granted to him by the University.

So he's been shown to be super dishonest just as he goes about jacking up ticket prices into the face of poor seasons, just as he has to rebuild the arena. At least we're having good years and have endless empty acreage to expand into. Patterson on the other hand is the steward of a land-locked, losing program, that's actually losing facilities space, and has fairweather fans who he got caught trying to con. It's bad.
This post was edited on 6/18/15 at 12:56 pm
Posted by tmc94
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 6/18/15 at 12:47 pm to
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I would again argue that has been going on at A&M as well.

I probably didn't do a good job of getting my point across. They are losing money. And it's really hard to raise money when everyone thinks you are already rich and are just wasteful.

And I'm not saying they aren't wasteful, but a lot of their revenue has corresponding expenses and isn't real. And it can't be cut (see their "Other" category). But it chaps donors asses to think they they are wasteful and instead of cutting, they bleed them more.

However, I agree with your larger point and don't like how we do things either and I've heard the same grumblings. We don't have the same perception problems but we're definitely bleeding donors dry
Posted by Cheese Grits
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Posted on 6/18/15 at 1:02 pm to
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Want a good laugh?


I want to laugh last and linking Chimp get him hits, these hits keep him marketable, and this keeps him alive that much longer.

If you want to laugh at Chimp, don't feed the monkey and he dies. Then you get the last laugh.
Posted by Farmer1906
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Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 6/18/15 at 1:03 pm to
I didn't link to whatever horn site he works for. I honestly don't know. I linked for Fox Sports. It was a Chip show on Fox Sports, he just happened to be a guest.
Posted by Cheese Grits
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Posted on 6/18/15 at 1:43 pm to
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I didn't link to whatever horn site he works for.


I did not click link so did not know

Still clicking FOX when he is on means they can track his affect on clicks. I would not give Chimp the sweat off my balls much less any click that might make him more in demand. I might however piss on him if he were on fire just because I am a nice guy that way. I would probably piss on Clay Travis if he was on fire too, as his commentary has gone downhill the past several years as he panders to media hits. Clay was actually decent when he first started, not sure Chimp was ever good.
Posted by Farmer1906
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Posted on 6/18/15 at 1:45 pm to
Clay still is good.
Posted by Old Sarge
Dean of Admissions, LSU
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 6/18/15 at 1:49 pm to
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Clay still is good.


I agree, and Bammers hate him with a passion
Posted by Cheese Grits
Wherever I lay my hat is my home
Member since Apr 2012
54662 posts
Posted on 6/18/15 at 4:39 pm to
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Clay still is good.




Clay was good but now most of it it reheated old posts with the same old song and dance. His stuff now is aimed at getting hits. He will praise TAMU and slam tu because he knows he can get hits from both sides and that makes him look popular. He will troll Alabama and Kentucky just to rile up their fans for hits.

In the early days he was funny and had some fresh new stuff but now it is old and dated. TAMU fans love him now, but just wait till he turns on TAMU if he can get more hits going negative.
Posted by Nguyening
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Posted on 6/18/15 at 4:44 pm to
Preach. Dude is a clown, but it's fun when he's clowning on your rival.
Posted by Mirthomatic
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 6/18/15 at 4:50 pm to
I think UTx eventually ends up in the PAC12. The recruiting disadvantage of languishing in the obscurity of the B12, combined with fan apathy due to a shitty schedule (and possibly shitty record against that shitty schedule), is going to produce pressure to make a move.

Posted by Mirthomatic
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 6/18/15 at 4:55 pm to
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but just wait till he turns on TAMU if he can get more hits going negative.


I don't think Clay writes anything he doesn't actually believe on some level. I don't think he'd "turn on" us unless we did something he really thought deserved such a reaction. He believes that he says, he just says it in a really trollish fashion.

Besides, even if he actually is a pure click-whore, watching him goad horn fans is fun right now.
Posted by AgBQ00
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 6/18/15 at 4:57 pm to
I think you are right with this. I believe they will try and create a new merger like they did with the big XII but I don't think it will work out the way they hope it will.
Posted by tmc94
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 6/18/15 at 6:37 pm to
I'm honestly not sure what options they are going to have. Obviously they can't sustain the current situation but there is going to be a real fight within the university over it most likely.

The academics are not going to let them dump Tech (nor will A&M). There is a certain contingent that wants to grow the flagships to match the state growth. It's been a real fight the last few years with Perry on this (by both Universities). Both schools share a common interest in Tech flourishing or they'll lose that fight.

Condemning Tech to CUSA or the like means lowering its profile and reducing applications. This leads to lower academic ratings as you have a worse population to select students from. So Tech needs to survive in a major conference. Unless something changes dramatically, it's not ever going to be an option to ditch them (ie the "Tech problem"). This is the politics, not the state legislature. OU has pretty much the same issue with OSU.

It's going to get more tense and ugly the closer we get to the end of the GOR. It's pretty clear at this point UTx isn't going to agree to extend until they just have to do so. And I think the uncertainty will lead KU to talk to the B1G. At that point UTx will have to make a decision. It's likely still 5-6 years out so it's pretty impossible to know what they'll do. Lots can change in that time frame. But if I were laying money, I agree they'll probably end up taking the Texoma 4 west
Posted by Dr RC
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Posted on 6/18/15 at 6:55 pm to
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Lots can change in that time frame. But if I were laying money, I agree they'll probably end up taking the Texoma 4 west


That would be funny but I'm not too sure they will be that tied when it comes down to it.

Honestly, I think the absolute best move long term for them would be to join the Pac 12 w/Hawaii as their cross division rival and Pac12Net TV regional partner.

That would allow them to have a jumping off point for the Asian markets they so dearly covet and a give them an opponent they will beat 9 times out of 10 for the foreseeable future as the Rainbow Warriors play catchup w/their facilities.

This post was edited on 6/18/15 at 6:56 pm
Posted by Cooter Davenport
Austin, TX
Member since Apr 2012
9006 posts
Posted on 6/19/15 at 8:00 am to
You guys are completely wrong in your approach to Chip.

Take the long view.

Chip is essentially an (unintentional) disinformation agent planted (by himself) among the Longhorn fanbase.

He's good for A&M.

I try to support him by any means possible other than direct financial contributions.

He's wrong about EVERYTHING. He supplies their fanbase with lies, rumors, and conjecture passed off as fact and in the process misdirects, riles up, and dashes the hopes of the Hornbase.

For example, he had them so fired up about Saban during their coaching search that the person bagging my groceries at the Far West HEB struck up a conversation with me about Saban out of the clear blue! Y'all have no idea how excited that city was for the sure-thing arrival of Saban and how utterly depressed and embarrased they became when it didn't happen. That's why any article I read that describes the Strong hire as "exciting" gets me laughing, because that's clearly something only someone in Portland, Maine or Portland, Oregon - who has no familiarity with Austin - would say. They're still hungover from that Saban thing. And we have CHIP and FATSO to thank for that!

So click, click away! Listen to his radio show and buy from his advertisers! The guy is our Tokyo Rose.
This post was edited on 6/19/15 at 8:04 am
Posted by Old Sarge
Dean of Admissions, LSU
Member since Jan 2012
55287 posts
Posted on 6/19/15 at 8:10 am to
Well said
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