re: Spavital finally fired 34 days too late

Yeah I'm not buying it either, but the plus with someone like spurrier is that you have a chance of keeping him if he's successful unlike other OC's. Because good young OC's are offered head coaching jobs somewhere, and I can't imagine spurrier wanting to take over a Toledo or a similar school.

But that scenario is unrealistic. So we're left with the likelihood that we take a hot shot young OC from another school, and if he's successful at a&m in a year or two he leaves and takes another job which leads us back to our main issue...Sumlin.

It's becoming more and more clear that his offenses aren't in fact his offenses at all as many of us assumed, or at least like I assumed. I though sumlin was this "big picture" offensive guy that had OC's carry out and call plays for the system that sumlin had in place. When in fact the offenses are the product of the OC in charge it appears. There has been no consistency between coordinators in terms of style of play or an overall offensive philosophy.

So best case scenario sumlin does make an incredible hire, and the new OC gets us back on track and we light it up again. The new guy will eventually get a head coaching gig somewhere and we are back at square one, hoping sumlin makes the right hire and hoping the new guy knows how to create an offense...because I'm just not sure sumlin does anymore.

IMHO.



Or maybe I'm just overthinking it.

I think Spav has to go, but I'm not concerned that his departure hasn't been announced yet. All the signs point to him taking his leave eventually. While I understand the satisfaction of sending a statement of disapproval with a straight up firing, that's not the way you make yourself attractive for potential new OCs. There is a downside to Sumlin's loyalty to and patience with his coaches, in that he frequently keeps them too long. But there is an upside as well, in that coaches on other staffs see and appreciate how he treats his own assistants.

Besides, it's very possible that we already have our next OC lined up, but he's not at liberty to make known the impending move. Fire Spav now and and we have to go maybe weeks without an OC, enduring the negative recruiting that would entail.

Spurrier is not happening.

And to the bit about Sumlin and the offense:
Sumlin does exactly what a head coach should do in my opinion: Concentrate on recruiting and put competent people in charge of the offense and defense, and stay hands off of playcalling. Everyone moaned about Sherman and his awful decision to be the OC and HC at the same time. I think the popular line was that he was so busy trying to be the OC, that the HC duties slipped.

When you are the head of an operation, and you are having to do a lot of the day to day work, something is wrong. Chavis is damn good, and part of the reason he likely came here was that Sumlin is hands-off. Chavis can run his defense how he wants, which is obviously better than he ran it at LSU. 3rd and Chavis was quite obviously 3rd and Miles. Sumlin lets Chavis do what he came here to do: run a defense.

What we need is an OC who wants to come here and run his offense. Do we want it to be Sumlin's brand of offense? Yes. Primarily an offense that plays to the personnel strengths we have, such as an air raid. Also one who is going to stick around for 3-5 years at the minimum.

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Sumlin does exactly what a head coach should do in my opinion: Concentrate on recruiting and put competent people in charge of the offense and defense, and stay hands off of playcalling

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He failed miserably at half of that twice now (McKinney and Spavital).

I could absolutely see Spurrier coming in during spring practice or even bowl practices and observing for a week or so and providing his input. To suggest he would be OC is absurd

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While I understand the satisfaction of sending a statement of disapproval with a straight up firing, that's not the way you make yourself attractive for potential new OCs. There is a downside to Sumlin's loyalty to and patience with his coaches, in that he frequently keeps them too long. But there is an upside as well, in that coaches on other staffs see and appreciate how he treats his own assistants.

Besides, it's very possible that we already have our next OC lined up, but he's not at liberty to make known the impending move. Fire Spav now and and we have to go maybe weeks without an OC, enduring the negative recruiting that would entail.

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This is all very true, but too logical to consider in a melt thread

I saw someone throw out Josh McDaniels from the Patriots

I'm not sure which is more idiotic, McDaniels or thinking we could pull Chad Morris away from his current HEAD COACHING POSITION at an FBS school.

People simply cannot understand the uniqueness of an elite coordinator like Chavis who has no desire to be a HC AND who is unhappy at their current gig. There isn't a Chavis-level OV hire to be had so people need to stop looking for one.

The closest thing to that which is anywhere near realistic would probably be Stitt or Meachum. Stitt would have to walk away from an FCS head coaching job for an FBS coordinator job (possible, but rare) and Meachum is the leading candidate for like three head coaching jobs including one in his backyard at UNT.

Unfortunately Indiana got to a bowl so Kevin Wilson will get another year.

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People simply cannot understand the uniqueness of an elite coordinator like Chavis who has no desire to be a HC AND who is unhappy at their current gig. There isn't a Chavis-level OV hire to be had so people need to stop looking for one. 

The closest thing to that which is anywhere near realistic would probably be Stitt or Meachum. 

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How is Meachum like Chavis?