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Posted on 1/28/16 at 10:20 am to greenbastard
Posted on 1/28/16 at 10:20 am to greenbastard
Just about the only disastrous economic proposal of Bernie's I see actually getting through Congress is the hike in the minimum wage. Republicans give in to this easily because the impacts are hidden in unemployment and price increases rather than black-and-white on the deficit ledger. He probably wouldn't get $15/hr but I can see at least $10/hr easily.
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Posted on 1/28/16 at 10:24 am to greenbastard
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not offer to pay for everyone's college tuition and add to the debt.
I hate to break it to you, but once millennials get into prime voting age some sort of student loan forgiveness is one of the first things they will get out of politicians.
I think it will be a bad thing, and will drive us deep into the hole having to pay baby boomers SS and Medicare on one end and student loans on the other, but it will almost certainly happen. That fruit is hanging too low for some politician not to eat it.
Posted on 1/28/16 at 10:24 am to AggieDub14
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Berndog could do a lot of good for a lot of people.
By good you mean tax the hell out of people and give a portion (gov has to take their cut) of that to poor people?
Posted on 1/28/16 at 10:28 am to Farmer1906
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This is clearly an offensive to go after Trump. Trump is the bad guy if he turns this down. Trump looks like the coward. Teddy is painting him as ducking him right before Iowa.
It's desperation. I don't care if he wants to attack Trump. There are better ways of doing that. But using veterans like this is just awful. Veterans need the money and for Cruz to dangle money in front of veterans is as dirty as mud itself. It's bad bull. Just give them the money or STFU. Veterans are not and should never be a bargaining chip or part of a cheap political stunt.
Posted on 1/28/16 at 10:31 am to cardboardboxer
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I hate to break it to you, but once millennials get into prime voting
Lucky for us is that Millennials have to vote in person instead of texting or tweeting a hashtag.
Posted on 1/28/16 at 10:34 am to greenbastard
You don't think the pac will give regardless of what Trump does?
Hate to break it to you, but vets are always dangled in the political process. Trump is skipping the debate and doing a fundraiser for vets.
Hate to break it to you, but vets are always dangled in the political process. Trump is skipping the debate and doing a fundraiser for vets.
Posted on 1/28/16 at 10:38 am to Farmer1906
So posts in which I argue that the Holocaust is real are now getting net downvotes. 
I think I might retreat here for a while and take my Poliboard trolling back to Texags if things are really getting that toxic.
I think I might retreat here for a while and take my Poliboard trolling back to Texags if things are really getting that toxic.
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Posted on 1/28/16 at 10:46 am to Farmer1906
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You don't think the pac will give regardless of what Trump does?
So far, they're saying no.
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Hate to break it to you, but vets are always dangled in the political process. Trump is skipping the debate and doing a fundraiser for vets.
The difference here is that Trump is doing the fundraiser, regardless of whatever anyone else does. Cruz's PAC is threatening to not give money if Trump continues with his fundraiser.
Cruz has lost whatever little respect I had for him. I can get past candidates using vets for a quick photo op or just giving money for the sake of publicity. But dangling money in their face and telling them they have no say in whether they get the money?! That's a new low. This is no different than me telling a starving kid that I will pay for his meal only if some conditions he can't control are met. It's not good to play around like that, especially when people really need help. Either give, or STFU.
I guess I'll be writing in Kodos 2016.
Posted on 1/28/16 at 10:48 am to greenbastard
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So far, they're saying no.
Well of course they're not going to say so until after Trump ducks it.
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The difference here is that Trump is doing the fundraiser, regardless of whatever anyone else does. Cruz's PAC is threatening to not give money if Trump continues with his fundraiser.
Except there was still talk of him still doing the debate. Would anyone be surprised if he showed up tonight just to built drama?
Posted on 1/28/16 at 10:52 am to Iosh
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So posts in which I argue that the Holocaust is real are now getting net downvotes.
I know posts that remind people of the autracities committed by the South against African Americans will also get downvotes on certain boards around here. There are some very questionable people in some other boards who hate it when bad history is brought up.
Posted on 1/28/16 at 10:56 am to Farmer1906
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Well of course they're not going to say so until after Trump ducks it.
But as of this writing, they're saying otherwise.
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Except there was still talk of him still doing the debate. Would anyone be surprised if he showed up tonight just to built drama?
He's not doing the debate.
Posted on 1/28/16 at 11:04 am to greenbastard
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Mysterious dude in Iowa is following Ted Cruz around and accusing him of liking Nickelback
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havent gone through the entire thread so if this has been posted my bad
Posted on 1/28/16 at 11:14 am to AggieDub14
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Voted for Gary Johnson last time. I'd rather my vote go towards increasing the influence of a much needed 3rd party than the lesser of two dipshits.
So did I.
Posted on 1/28/16 at 11:50 am to Farmer1906
Eventually the job market will not be able to grow as fast as the working population. At that point, people will be going hungry and homelessness will be on the rise. The way to beat this is a "livable wage" paid by the government using tax payer money. I'm all for laizze faire economics on a small scale, because it works. You take care of you, I'll take care of me. As things grow, people get left out in the cold. Teddy Roosevelt was one of the best presidents in the history of this country, becuase he stopped the railroads from enslaving rural America and made it difficult for coorporations to get too much power. His policies were liberal as hell at the time. It doesn't matter how lazy or worthless people may be. We still can't stand by (at least if we have some sense of brotherhood with our fellow man) and allow people to suffer their entire lives. That is the concept of the welfare state. As time goes on and the population grows, more and more "essentials" will have to become the responsiblility of the state to ensure everyone has said essentials.
On another note, I'd rather pay into a government pool that takes care of my emergency needs than pay for insurance. Insurance is a total scam. A high school kid who has taken a statistics class can tell you that. What's worse than people are making money off of someones health risk? That's really fricked up.
On another note, I'd rather pay into a government pool that takes care of my emergency needs than pay for insurance. Insurance is a total scam. A high school kid who has taken a statistics class can tell you that. What's worse than people are making money off of someones health risk? That's really fricked up.
Posted on 1/28/16 at 11:55 am to AggieDub14
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Eventually the job market will not be able to grow as fast as the working population.
Says who? Isn't working population is shrinking, not growing?
Posted on 1/28/16 at 12:10 pm to Farmer1906
Says automation. In many industries, labor is the highest expense. If we come up with new technology to alleviate that expense at the cost of jobs, many will choose to go that route.
Posted on 1/28/16 at 12:23 pm to greenbastard
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It's desperation. I don't care if he wants to attack Trump. There are better ways of doing that. But using veterans like this is just awful. Veterans need the money and for Cruz to dangle money in front of veterans is as dirty as mud itself. It's bad bull. Just give them the money or STFU. Veterans are not and should never be a bargaining chip or part of a cheap political stunt.
They already WERE being used as a cheap publicity stunt: by Trump. Trump has given more to the Clinton foundation than to vet groups. If he really cared about vet groups, he could have his event any day he wants. Instead, he's hiding behind them. They are his human shields.
Cruz is just exposing this dishonesty, hypocrisy and cowardice. As for why Cruz doesn't just give the money to vet groups w/ no strings attached, he's running a campaign, not a charity. People donated money to him to get him elected. If those people wanted to donate to charity, they could have. But Cruz has a responsibility to use the money for the purpose for which it was given. It just so happens that he has the ingenuity to figure a way to use the money to campaign AND to give it to charity.
Posted on 1/28/16 at 12:29 pm to greenbastard
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Cruz's PAC is threatening to not give money if Trump continues with his fundraiser.
Where did you see that? My understanding is that the offer is to donate to the vet group if Trump debates Cruz one on one. Trump can still do his event, as that will be opposite the GOP debate. Then he could do the debate vs. Cruz and earn the vets another $1.5M.
But he isn't going to do that, because he doesn't care about the vets other than how they're useful to him.
And as for dangling money before charities, this happens all the time. What do you think all those matching charities are? Where some corporation will donate $1 for every $1 that a regular person donates? Those corps don't have to depend on regular person donations, they could just give whatever money they want. They don't have to limit themselves.
And lastly, the offer is from Cruz's super pac, and super pacs aren't allowed to coordinate w/ the candidate's campaign. That might be going on, or it might not. But it seems harsh to just assume this is on Cruz, and for it to cause you to lose all respect for the man.
Posted on 1/28/16 at 2:51 pm to Mirthomatic
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Where did you see that? My understanding is that the offer is to donate to the vet group if Trump debates Cruz one on one. Trump can still do his event, as that will be opposite the GOP debate. Then he could do the debate vs. Cruz and earn the vets another $1.5M.
And what's stopping the PAC from just donating straight up? Cruz is using Veterans to get what he wants. Sure every candidate has stooped low and exploited veterans in some way, but giving ultimatums that the beneficiaries (in this case the Veterans) don't even have a say in? That's a new low for politics.
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And as for dangling money before charities, this happens all the time. What do you think all those matching charities are? Where some corporation will donate $1 for every $1 that a regular person donates? Those corps don't have to depend on regular person donations, they could just give whatever money they want. They don't have to limit themselves.
Cruz's PAC isn't matching dollar for dollar. They're simply playing with the minds of organizations that truly want to help veterans. Why not just donate the money and debate without Trump against the rest of the field? This method of trying to force Trump to debate is just cheap, cheezy, and outright sleezy. Cruz and his PAC can attack Trump all they want, just leave the Veterans out of this.
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And lastly, the offer is from Cruz's super pac, and super pacs aren't allowed to coordinate w/ the candidate's campaign. That might be going on, or it might not. But it seems harsh to just assume this is on Cruz, and for it to cause you to lose all respect for the man.
I made it clear that this was the Super PAC. But let's not be naive. Candidates jump through many loopholes to communicate with their super PACs. Word trickles down to them through indirect legal channels all the time.
All the candidates are a joke and at this rate, I'm rooting for a movement to write-in Mickey Mouse. Trump is politically liberal and socially retarded, Cruz is a preachy frick who thinks the entire country is his own personal church and Hillary is a liar who thinks she is above the law.
This country is fricked. Mickey Mouse 2016! Donald Duck for VP.
Posted on 1/28/16 at 2:57 pm to greenbastard
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Donald Duck for VP.
He's running for GOP nom, not VP.
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