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Posted on 1/28/16 at 3:20 pm to greenbastard
Posted on 1/28/16 at 3:20 pm to greenbastard
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All the candidates are a joke and at this rate, I'm rooting for a movement to write-in Mickey Mouse. Trump is politically liberal and socially retarded, Cruz is a preachy frick who thinks the entire country is his own personal church and Hillary is a liar who thinks she is above the law.
That is just the way it is in modern times.
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Posted on 1/28/16 at 4:13 pm to greenbastard
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And what's stopping the PAC from just donating straight up?
Maybe the fact that the entire reason for their existence is to get Cruz elected? And the entire reason they have money in the first place is because other people want Cruz to be elected? They have a responsibility to spend that money to help Cruz get elected. How do you not understand that?
And they aren't giving ultimatums to anyone. They're giving an incentive to Trump to debate Cruz, that is, if Trump really does care about the vets so much, and that's the reason he's dodging the main debate. But the truth is obvious, and this tactic by Cruz's pac just makes it plain, that Trump is using the vets as human shields. THAT is the low for politics. So much so that several vet groups have stated they will not accept any money Trump raises.
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Cruz's PAC isn't matching dollar for dollar. They're simply playing with the minds of organizations that truly want to help veterans. Why not just donate the money and debate without Trump against the rest of the field? This method of trying to force Trump to debate is just cheap, cheezy, and outright sleezy. Cruz and his PAC can attack Trump all they want, just leave the Veterans out of this.
Cruz CAN'T leave the vets out of this because Trump made it about them. The only sleazeball here is Trump. To think, all he would have to do is debate Cruz, but he refuses. Cruz isn't playing w/ the minds of the vets because everyone knows that Trump doesn't have the balls to face Cruz in debate one on one. The vets aren't getting their hopes up because they know if Trump is going to run away from an already scheduled debate, he's not going to add another to his plate.
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All the candidates are a joke and at this rate, I'm rooting for a movement to write-in Mickey Mouse. Trump is politically liberal and socially retarded, Cruz is a preachy frick who thinks the entire country is his own personal church and Hillary is a liar who thinks she is above the law.
If you want to give up, fine, but I choose to work for something better. We have the candidates we have. And whether you think Cruz is a preachy frick, the truth is he's the least evil, least freedom crushing candidate available. Hate Cruz all you like, but at least you can choose not to listen to him and be reasonably sure he's going to chart a constitutionalist course through DC, and has demonstrated a willingness to stand against ruinous policies.
Posted on 1/28/16 at 4:18 pm to cardboardboxer
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That is just the way it is in modern times.
Except it isn't this year. We actually have a viable, staunch conservative polling high, and the electoral climate could hardly be more favorable. What with Felony Clinton melting down, and getting pressed hard by an avowed socialist.
I can understand not liking Cruz personally. But so what? You don't have to have a beer with him. You don't have to listen to his "sermons". When his State of the Union comes on, pop in a movie, or get caught up on Netflix series. Liking him personally makes not a whit of difference. Supreme Court nominations make a difference. Immigration makes a difference. Adherence to the rule of law makes a difference. Fiscal sanity makes a difference.
Sometimes I think people just want to be pissed off so much they can't see the good opportunities staring them in the face.
Posted on 1/28/16 at 4:31 pm to Mirthomatic
And by the way, as if to underscore just who the real slimeball is:
All donations go straight to Trump's foundation
All donations go straight to Trump's foundation
Posted on 1/28/16 at 4:31 pm to Mirthomatic
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Except it isn't this year. We actually have a viable, staunch conservative polling high, and the electoral climate could hardly be more favorable. What with Felony Clinton melting down, and getting pressed hard by an avowed socialist.
I can understand not liking Cruz personally. But so what? You don't have to have a beer with him. You don't have to listen to his "sermons". When his State of the Union comes on, pop in a movie, or get caught up on Netflix series. Liking him personally makes not a whit of difference. Supreme Court nominations make a difference. Immigration makes a difference. Adherence to the rule of law makes a difference. Fiscal sanity makes a difference.
Sometimes I think people just want to be pissed off so much they can't see the good opportunities staring them in the face
Posted on 1/28/16 at 5:01 pm to Mirthomatic
Stealing that article for a poliboard thread
So far the Trumpkins are steering clear
When they do show up I predict some non-responsive "haha Trump is IN YOUR HEAD" bullshite
So far the Trumpkins are steering clear
When they do show up I predict some non-responsive "haha Trump is IN YOUR HEAD" bullshite
Posted on 1/28/16 at 5:12 pm to Mirthomatic
Ted Cruz opens his mouth -> people become less intelligent. The guy gridlocked the fricking government for a month and pointed fingers at the dems the entire time. He is an embarrasement to the great state of Texas.
Posted on 1/28/16 at 5:12 pm to Iosh
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"haha Trump is IN YOUR HEAD" bullshite
All Trump all the time?
Posted on 1/28/16 at 5:31 pm to AggieDub14
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Ted Cruz opens his mouth -> people become less intelligent.
What does this even mean?
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The guy gridlocked the fricking government for a month and pointed fingers at the dems the entire time. He is an embarrasement to the great state of Texas.
If the the RINOs in congress are letting Obama and the ultra-libs in the Senate/House run roughshod over them, only putting up a fight to save the Ex Im bank, then gridlock isn't a bug, it's a feature.
Posted on 1/28/16 at 5:42 pm to Mirthomatic
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the truth is he's the least evil,
Least evil? Depends on what you consider evil. Take Bernie Sanders for example. Dude wants to expand welfare programs to help people of all walks of life. Sure, he could bankrupt our country, but he probably has the best intentions of any candidate out there. Dumb? Yes, but definitely the least evil.
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least freedom crushing candidate available.
The gays would like to have a word with you about that.
The deal breaker for me is that Cruz doesn't know when to turn off his religious beliefs. He doesn't seem to understand that the U.S. President is supposed to have everyone's interest in mind, not just those who are hardcore Christians like himself. Ted Cruz is not the guy who should be leading this country. There are places in this country completely different than Texas, and I'm afraid Ted Cruz doesn't seem to understand that. I'm all for Christian presidents, but I draw the line at hardcore, minister-like candidates such as Ted Cruz.
Posted on 1/28/16 at 6:24 pm to greenbastard
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Least evil? Depends on what you consider evil. Take Bernie Sanders for example. Dude wants to expand welfare programs to help people of all walks of life. Sure, he could bankrupt our country, but he probably has the best intentions of any candidate out there. Dumb? Yes, but definitely the least evil
The road to hell is paved with good intentions. If you don't like the word "evil", then I'll say that Cruz will do the least harm to the nation. Bernie bankrupting the nation would lead to far, far, far more suffering than one would have to endure from listening to an oleaginous Cruz speech.
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The gays would like to have a word with you about that.
The thousands and thousands of slaughtered unborn only WISH their biggest worry was whether they could tie the knot with whoever they want.
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The deal breaker for me is that Cruz doesn't know when to turn off his religious beliefs. He doesn't seem to understand that the U.S. President is supposed to have everyone's interest in mind, not just those who are hardcore Christians like himself. Ted Cruz is not the guy who should be leading this country. There are places in this country completely different than Texas, and I'm afraid Ted Cruz doesn't seem to understand that. I'm all for Christian presidents, but I draw the line at hardcore, minister-like candidates such as Ted Cruz.
Cruz is a small govt constitutionalist. By definition, that makes him less prone to foisting his beliefs on others. A smaller, less intrusive govt means the peoples of the various states have that much more leeway to govern themselves as they see fit. No, it's the liberals who favor a top-down, one-size-fits-all, solution imposed on the entire nation.
What exactly are you afraid Cruz is going to do to force his "hardcore, minister-like" beliefs on the country?
Posted on 1/28/16 at 6:54 pm to Mirthomatic
It won't happen, but a Rubio/Cruz ticket would be pretty interesting. It probably locks down Florida, gives the GOP at least a small Hispanic voting bump and gives the evangelicals the constitutional Christian they desire while not allowing him any real power.
Too bad those two really seem to dislike each other.
Too bad those two really seem to dislike each other.
Posted on 1/28/16 at 7:25 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Too bad those two really seem to dislike each other.
Really? I don't know one way or the other, but I always thought they got along. Sure the campaigned hard against each other, but they're similar candidates. Both young hot shot tea party senators.
Regardless, I don't think they would run together. How often do two top candidates join up? I expect Cruz to pick a more establishment candidate as the VP. Gotta go after the middle a little.
Posted on 1/28/16 at 7:29 pm to Roger Klarvin
Too bad trump will get the nomination
Posted on 1/28/16 at 7:39 pm to Old Sarge
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Too bad trump will get the nomination
Are you a Trumpkin or just think he gets the nom?
Posted on 1/28/16 at 7:46 pm to Mirthomatic
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The road to hell is paved with good intentions. If you don't like the word "evil", then I'll say that Cruz will do the least harm to the nation. Bernie bankrupting the nation would lead to far, far, far more suffering than one would have to endure from listening to an oleaginous Cruz speech.
Bernie would ruin the country, no doubt. But I also wouldn't say Cruz would do the least damage. All the candidates are turds, but Cruz isn't the least smelliest.
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The thousands and thousands of slaughtered unborn only WISH their biggest worry was whether they could tie the knot with whoever they want.
I'm against abortion. But I'm also against any level of government (local, state, or federal) telling people who they can and can't marry. No law should prohibit two men or two women from marrying. If you're a true conservatist, you'd agree.
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Cruz is a small govt constitutionalist. By definition, that makes him less prone to foisting his beliefs on others. A smaller, less intrusive govt means the peoples of the various states have that much more leeway to govern themselves as they see fit. No, it's the liberals who favor a top-down, one-size-fits-all, solution imposed on the entire nation.
That's not entirely true. Cruz has, in the past, accepted federal money for his constituents. Hes not as big of a 'state over federal' guy as you think. He's the type of guy that will holler "state rights" when it is convenient for his political views. If you want a small government guy, Rand Paul is your guy, not Cruz.
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What exactly are you afraid Cruz is going to do to force his "hardcore, minister-like" beliefs on the country
The fact that he has openly stated that all of his decisions are based on his faith is pretty scary. America is not a Christian country. As president, he should know that and respect the separation of church and state. His decision making should be on the interest of the people, and not his religion. Plain and simple.
Posted on 1/28/16 at 7:50 pm to Farmer1906
I just see the writing in the wall. Nothing more. I think he is 1. Honest 2. Nuts
But I've said it since we started this thread, unless he steps on his own dick, no one is going to overtake him.
And if he gets the nomination there is isnt a single dem that can beat him.
But I've said it since we started this thread, unless he steps on his own dick, no one is going to overtake him.
And if he gets the nomination there is isnt a single dem that can beat him.
Posted on 1/28/16 at 11:55 pm to greenbastard
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Bernie would ruin the country, no doubt. But I also wouldn't say Cruz would do the least damage. All the candidates are turds, but Cruz isn't the least smelliest.
Who is better, then?
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I'm against abortion. But I'm also against any level of government (local, state, or federal) telling people who they can and can't marry. No law should prohibit two men or two women from marrying. If you're a true conservatist, you'd agree.
I don't care if TEN men decide to get married in one big polygamous pile. But I'm sorry, not all issues are equal. I know where Cruz stands on the issue of abortion, and he's as strong as any other, and far stronger than Trump, and FAR, FAR stronger than Clinton or Sanders.
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That's not entirely true. Cruz has, in the past, accepted federal money for his constituents. Hes not as big of a 'state over federal' guy as you think. He's the type of guy that will holler "state rights" when it is convenient for his political views. If you want a small government guy, Rand Paul is your guy, not Cruz.
I would love a Rand Paul presidency w/r/t domestic issues, though he's been wishy-washy on illegal immigration. And I don't trust him as much in foreign affairs. The US can't just be the world's cop, but Paul is too isolationist for me. That said, if I could inaugurate Paul tomorrow, and avoid the risk of Trump/Hillary, I'd take that offer.
But Paul isn't getting the nomination. Zero chance. So there's no point in wasting time or hope on him.
And while Paul might be the smallest govt guy, Cruz is no slouch.
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The fact that he has openly stated that all of his decisions are based on his faith is pretty scary. America is not a Christian country. As president, he should know that and respect the separation of church and state. His decision making should be on the interest of the people, and not his religion. Plain and simple.
Cruz campaigns on religious liberty, not the imposition of the Christian faith by the state. There is no threat of that happening, rather the opposite is true, see the Little Sisters of the Poor being required to cover contraception against their religious beliefs. You can be a very devout christian, and let your faith guide your every move, but still not force your faith on others.
Do you know the parable of the prodigal son? Most focus on the fact that the son finally came back and begged forgiveness. Fewer recognize that the father, though righteous himself, allowed his son to make his own decisions. So no, the fact that Cruz claims to rely on faith doesn't worry me a bit.
Posted on 1/29/16 at 9:45 am to Old Sarge
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But I've said it since we started this thread, unless he steps on his own dick, no one is going to overtake him.
It really depends on if his appeal can bring in people to the political process that otherwise wouldn't be involved. We will know soon if that is the case, I have my doubts.
Posted on 2/1/16 at 6:35 am to AggieDub14
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Voted for Gary Johnson last time. I'd rather my vote go towards increasing the influence of a much needed 3rd party than the lesser of two dipshits.
As did I.
To me, he is the only true, conservative candidate. The rest of the Republicans are big-government, nanny-state enforcers. I will always vote for the candidate that supports less government, not more. Be it economic or social. Reagan ran on a platform of getting the government out of your life, and that sounds just like what I want.
None of the Republicans believe in things like self-ownership or private property rights, nor do they support competitive capitalism. Like Bush, they're all too happy to bail out Wall Street instead of letting capitalism work. They artificially buoy corporations that the market dictates should fail, just like the Democrats do. They want subsidies and are more than happy to raise the debt-ceiling, as they sell off the futures of their grandchildren -- just as long as they get the pork, same as McConnell did.
Not to mention the funneling of money to the DoD to invent foreign entanglements to keep their budget rising, from year to year. Despite the fact they can't even account for the money spent, nor have any idea where allocations are to the tune of billions of dollars. It's all one big scam.
I'm done with them and have been for some time. Never again.
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