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re: Fellow Texans, how do you feel about illegal immigrants?
Posted on 3/11/16 at 7:14 pm to Masterag
Posted on 3/11/16 at 7:14 pm to Masterag
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Dude. I just finished driving through east Dallas, and most of the time felt as though I was driving through somewhere in Latin America. I don't want to live in Latin America,
Please don't drive through Oak Cliff and tell me it feels like you drove through Africa.
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but the more people come from Mexico the more the status quo moves in that direction, and the less Mexican migrants will associate with anything American, Texan or Southern, let alone assimilate to OUR culture.
You obviously didn't read the article I posted. This is 100% FALSE. Not just for Mexican Americans, but for any ethnicity. Quit being scared
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At what point did it become racist to preserve ones culture?
It doesn't. But blaming it exclusively on Mexicans does raise a lot of flags. Especially when you consider that cultures and social values are always changing in this state and throughout the US.
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How does the fact that I don't want Texas to become Tejas make me xenophobic?
Texas was already Tejas.
You may wish to ignore this, but the fact is that Hispanics have always had an influence over Texas since Spain colonized it. Hell, Texas is the birth place to Tejano music, the only Spanish based genre to originate from the USA.
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Apparently throwing away the cultural history of your ancestors doesn't bother you, but it does me. And I dgaf what you want to call me because of it.
Ninja please! The only people who have the right to cry about losing their culture in Texas is the Native Americans. This land has always had foreigners settle it in one way or another. First it was Spaniards, then the French, then Mestizos (aka Mexicans), then Anglo-American settlers, followed by German settlers, and then Czech settlers (Did I miss a group? I know I did...don't feel like looking it up).
The point is that Texas is a melting pot of people and ingredients will always continue to be added. Cultures will come and go and crying about it like you're the only victim is a bit ridiculous.
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Posted on 3/11/16 at 7:19 pm to greenbastard
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Please don't drive through Oak Cliff and tell me it feels like you drove through Africa.
As someone who has played HS basketball games in Oak Cliff, that's offensive to Africans.
Posted on 3/11/16 at 9:06 pm to greenbastard
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You obviously didn't read the article I posted. This is 100% FALSE. Not just for Mexican Americans, but for any ethnicity. Quit being scared
I read the link; the only thing it proves is that Univision programming sucks. The fact that 3rd gen. immigrants prefer American programming or even speaking English doesn't prove anything past just that.
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It doesn't. But blaming it exclusively on Mexicans does raise a lot of flags. Especially when you consider that cultures and social values are always changing in this state and throughout the US.
Well, Mexicans are exclusively the only group of people with millions of illegal immigrants living in Texas. If it was a bunch of Chinese, Indians, or anybody else I'd have the same reaction.
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Texas was already Tejas.
You may wish to ignore this, but the fact is that Hispanics have always had an influence over Texas since Spain colonized it.
WAS is the key word. Texas was also part of France, Spain The CSA, and Republic of Texas. I'm not sure how what happened 200 years ago has any relevance on what's going on today.
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This land has always had foreigners settle it in one way or another. First it was Spaniards, then the French, then Mestizos (aka Mexicans), then Anglo-American settlers, followed by German settlers, and then Czech settlers (Did I miss a group? I know I did...don't feel like looking it up).
Yeah, which is great and it is all part of the culture we have now. At some point, once an area has been adequately populated and settled, there comes a time when a line needs to be drawn to say no more, if we care about sovereignty, that is.
Posted on 3/11/16 at 9:24 pm to Masterag
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just finished driving through east Dallas, and most of the time felt as though I was driving through somewhere in Latin America.
If you think this, you've never been to Latin America
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How does the fact that I don't want Texas to become Tejas
¿Porque no los dos?
Because THAT has always been the status quo. It ain't changing no matter how scared you may become, miijo.
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throwing away the cultural history of your ancestors doesn't bother you, but it does me.
Evolving culture shouldn't bother you, especially in as culturally diverse a state as Texas.
Get a dog.
Posted on 3/11/16 at 9:36 pm to Masterag
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I read the link; the only thing it proves is that Univision programming sucks. The fact that 3rd gen. immigrants prefer American programming or even speaking English doesn't prove anything past just that.
No. It proves that Hispanics are willing to see the same trash programming we watch such as American Idol, Survivor and The Voice. It proves that they're willing to engage in the same things the rest of America is engaging in, which goes against what you claim.
The article also states that Hispanics are slowly, but surely, losing the Spanish language...but I suspect you skipped over that tidbit of information by accident, right?
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Well, Mexicans are exclusively the only group of people with millions of illegal immigrants living in Texas. If it was a bunch of Chinese, Indians, or anybody else I'd have the same reaction.
So your problem is immigration and not your precious East Texas culture? Because I no longer really know what you're arguing about.
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WAS is the key word. Texas was also part of France, Spain The CSA, and Republic of Texas. I'm not sure how what happened 200 years ago has any relevance on what's going on today.
I'm not sure you understand my point.
Let me ask you this instead. Name the last time Texas was an all Anglo-European state?
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Yeah, which is great and it is all part of the culture we have now. At some point, once an area has been adequately populated and settled, there comes a time when a line needs to be drawn to say no more, if we care about sovereignty, that is.
So you quote this part but fail to quote the rest, which was... quote:
The point is that Texas is a melting pot of people and ingredients will always continue to be added.
And if history proves anything, it is that Texas will continue to change, which is what makes it great.
Posted on 3/11/16 at 9:52 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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If you think this, you've never been to Latin America
Let's see, I've been to: Mexico, Colombia, Uruguay,Argentina, and Guatemala. Do those count?
Posted on 3/11/16 at 9:54 pm to Masterag
Now listen, if pat and I can both post here without killing each other you folks can all play nice.
All this fighting is gonna give finest A-Fib.
All this fighting is gonna give finest A-Fib.
Posted on 3/11/16 at 9:55 pm to greenbastard
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So your problem is immigration and not your precious East Texas culture? Because I no longer really know what you're arguing about.
One is directly related to the other.
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I'm not sure you understand my point.
I understood your point.
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And if history proves anything, it is that Texas will continue to change, which is what makes it great.
That's fine, as long as it is on our terms, and not forced upon us by millions of people who shouldn't even be here.
Posted on 3/11/16 at 9:56 pm to Roger Klarvin
This thread bout ta get racist
Posted on 3/11/16 at 10:03 pm to Masterag
You had exactly the same thing happen to America in the early 20th century. Italian radio stations. "Little Italies." Problems with crime. Attachment to the pope
In the end they assimilated and someone with an Italian background is just another shmuck now
Hispanics will assimilate just fine
In the end they assimilated and someone with an Italian background is just another shmuck now
Hispanics will assimilate just fine
Posted on 3/11/16 at 10:13 pm to Masterag
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I've been to: Mexico, Colombia, Uruguay,Argentina, and Guatemala. Do those count?
Yup
Makes your assertion even more asinine
Posted on 3/11/16 at 10:13 pm to Masterag
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One is directly related to the other.
If you have a problem with immigration, then that's a whole other argument. There's nothing wrong with being against immigration, but to disparage Hispanics as anti-american is a bit insulting, which is the route you took.
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I understood your point.
So you get that everything you said about Hispanics not assimilating was wrong?
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That's fine, as long as it is on our terms, and not forced upon us by millions of people who shouldn't even be here.
Change in Texas has never been on our own terms. If we really wanted to keep Texas free of all outside influences, then we would have to round up every non native Texan who can't trace their roots to the day Texas won Independence, and that's a lot of people.
Posted on 3/11/16 at 10:14 pm to Iosh
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In the end they assimilated and someone with an Italian background is just another shmuck now
New York is also a few thousand miles from italy. I don't see how this correlates.
Posted on 3/11/16 at 10:14 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Now listen, if pat and I can both post here without killing each other you folks can all play nice.
All this fighting is gonna give finest A-Fib.
Imagine if scrooster posted here.
Just think of it
Posted on 3/11/16 at 10:21 pm to greenbastard
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There's nothing wrong with being against immigration, but to disparage Hispanics as anti-american is a bit insulting, which is the route you took
I never said they were "anti-American," I said they were "pro-Mexican," there is a difference.
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So you get that everything you said about Hispanics not assimilating was wrong?
When there are only a few thousand immigrants in a community, they assimilate. However, if they become the majority, then it logically follows that they will not, because there is no need or motivation to. In case you hadn't noticed, that is quickly becoming the case. That's pure and simple logic.
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Change in Texas has never been on our own terms. If we really wanted to keep Texas free of all outside influences, then we would have to round up every non native Texan who can't trace their roots to the day Texas won Independence, and that's a lot of people.
I meant in terms of American influence. I may not like thousands of yankees moving down here en masse, and I wouldn't have a leg to stand on, because they are Americans and that would be their right to do so.
Posted on 3/11/16 at 10:25 pm to Masterag
I'm out. This thread is getting silly.
OP asked how I felt about illegal immigrants as a Texan, and I gave my answer and stand by it.
OP asked how I felt about illegal immigrants as a Texan, and I gave my answer and stand by it.
Posted on 3/11/16 at 10:34 pm to TbirdSpur2010
I appreciate your input as always, T. We can disagree, and that's ok.
Posted on 3/11/16 at 10:36 pm to Masterag
Not mad, I just hate talking in circles. Aggiebelle already did that to me on the phone earlier this evening
Posted on 3/11/16 at 10:43 pm to TbirdSpur2010
T'would be hazardous
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