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re: Fellow Texans, how do you feel about illegal immigrants?
Posted on 3/6/16 at 10:30 am to Masterag
Posted on 3/6/16 at 10:30 am to Masterag
quote:It what sense is it magically "gone" once the 50% + 1st Mexican is born? You think they're gonna run all the non-Hispanics out of the state? $500 fines for English speakers? Texas History curriculum rewritten to make Santa Ana the hero?
Nobody is physically forcing me to do anything, but with Illegal Mexicans having kids at such high rates, they will soon be the majority and it doesn't matter what I say or do, my home and my heritage is gone.
This post was edited on 3/6/16 at 10:33 am
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Posted on 3/6/16 at 3:07 pm to Iosh
Yeah that was a bit of fearmongering.
Cultures are living things. Ever evolving. Trying to maintain the status quo or keep a particular time is a futile exercise.
Change isn't necessarily a bad thing, especially when it comes to culture. It's going to change anyway.
Cultures are living things. Ever evolving. Trying to maintain the status quo or keep a particular time is a futile exercise.
Change isn't necessarily a bad thing, especially when it comes to culture. It's going to change anyway.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 8:49 am to Masterag
I grew up in San Antonio and have deer hunted all my life 4 miles from the Mexican border. I absolutely love the Mexican culture, and almost every Hispanic I've ever encountered in my life is honest and hard working.
With that said, I have seen well over 100 illegal immigrants in my life on the border...most are looking for a better life, some are not. Regardless, I always call border patrol. It's scary to be getting into a blind at 5 in the morning and find 3 grown men sleeping there. We've caught a few immigrants in our house, one of which we later found out was wanted for rape. We've had more than 5 Pakistanis caught on our place.
So the short answer is, we need to do more to protect our borders.
With that said, I have seen well over 100 illegal immigrants in my life on the border...most are looking for a better life, some are not. Regardless, I always call border patrol. It's scary to be getting into a blind at 5 in the morning and find 3 grown men sleeping there. We've caught a few immigrants in our house, one of which we later found out was wanted for rape. We've had more than 5 Pakistanis caught on our place.
So the short answer is, we need to do more to protect our borders.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 9:31 am to Masterag
Anybody who comes here to work and through that work betters their situation in this world I have zero problem with, those that come to suck up free money from entitlement programs need to go.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 10:01 am to Agforlife
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Anybody who comes here to work and through that work betters their situation in this world I have zero problem with, those that come to suck up free money from entitlement programs need to go.
i'm in this camp. i do tons of work in the valley. they are some of the most honest hard workers you'll ever find. i think about 90% of them just want a better life.
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but, come here legally. it's all i ask. the thing that is driving me nuts during this entire political process is that one side gives NO SHITS that other people are coming here, breaking the law, and denying the US' sovereignty. They want to let them vote and give them benefits. That's just fishy.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 1:27 pm to 3nOut
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that one side gives NO SHITS that other people are coming here,
Yet the other side, which texas legislature is full of and always has the majority, could have been cracking down on this for the past 50 years and ain't done shite. They're bought by the big businesses that profit from illegals. At least the other side isn't pretending they're one way and doing the opposite.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 2:29 pm to Masterag
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businesses that profit from illegals.
And so do consumers. We are all part of the problem.
Illegal immigration is not an easy fix. Give amnesty, and you piss of the right. Deport all and you piss off the left. If it were up to me, I'd start with deporting everyone that has a criminal record (DWI and DUI included) or outstanding legal fines. After that, I would be ok with some sort of resident visa program (of course, only after they pay a fine and taxes) that requires renewal very often in order to weed out anyone who is up to no good. It should be a program that can lead to permanent residency and eventually citizenship down the road (10-15 years). This way, Democrats get what they want and Republicans get enough time to work on their image among the Latino community (because it's very bad...thanks a lot Univision
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Posted on 3/7/16 at 2:46 pm to Iosh
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Yeah I know Hispanics of Mexican heritage who consider themselves to be American first and foremost
I fall under this category. I'm Hispanic but identify as an American above all else first. Not to mention I'm a pretty white washed Hispanic, since my parents chose to raise my siblings and I in the predominantly white suburbs of Houston. Hell, my siblings and I aren't event fluent in Spanish. We lost the language from our parents. When they left the part of west Texas they were from, it's safe to say they left the heritage behind.
This post was edited on 3/7/16 at 2:50 pm
Posted on 3/7/16 at 3:22 pm to TexasAg13
Well said.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 4:12 pm to Masterag
Posted on 3/7/16 at 10:28 pm to Iosh
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It's pretty much impossible for a standard laborer or tradesman to "come here legally
It's a meme on the internet so it must be true. Becoming a citizen takes a while and is hard work? Eff that noise.
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Yet the other side, which texas legislature is full of and always has the majority, could have been cracking down on this for the past 50 years and ain't done shite. They're bought by the big businesses that profit from illegals. At least the other side isn't pretending they're one way and doing the opposite.
Because I'm sure they said "hey, we'll make Texas business friendly, as long as you use illegals."
That's a red herring.
Nobody is condoning people that employ illegals. If you want to say that Texas legislators should do more to make sure that illegals don't work here, fine, but you're just trying to do a gotcha.
This post was edited on 3/7/16 at 10:36 pm
Posted on 3/8/16 at 8:09 am to Masterag
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how do you feel about illegal immigrants?
angry
Posted on 3/8/16 at 8:11 am to Iosh
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Texas History curriculum rewritten to make Santa Ana the hero?
It won't be long.
Posted on 3/8/16 at 9:58 am to Cooter Davenport
He's not even popular in Mexican history 
Posted on 3/8/16 at 10:27 am to Cooter Davenport
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It won't be long.
Classic example of fear mongering. This is no dumber than saying...
The Mexicans are going to rename Sam Houston State University to Universidad Estatal de Santa Ana. They're going to demolish the Alamo and build a Taco Trailer Park. And they will make all the whites change their names from John, Joseph, and Marie to Juan, José, and Maria!
I expect this rhetoric from uneducated simpletons, but not fellow Aggies.Posted on 3/9/16 at 4:46 pm to greenbastard
shite... you can play the fool if you want to, but the writing has been on the wall for 30 years. I see Hispanics all the time born in Texas flying and carrying Mexican flags and shite. Hell, watching us v Mexico soccer matches at the pub they're all rooting for Mexico. Slowly but surely...
Posted on 3/9/16 at 5:37 pm to Masterag
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the writing has been on the wall for 30 years.
What writing, exactly? That the Hispanic population would grow by leaps and bounds via porous borders and/or higher birth rates? No shite, sherlock
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I see Hispanics all the time born in Texas flying and carrying Mexican flags and shite.
Anecdotal. You also see Hispanics all the time born in Texas who are more patriotic/have more Texan pride than a lot of Americans/Texans and barely speak any Spanish.
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Hell, watching us v Mexico soccer matches at the pub they're all rooting for Mexico
shite, son, go to any American bar during the world cup and you'll see white folks cheering for England or Germany like their lives depend on it and they haven't even been to Europe
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Slowly but surely...
What? Whatchu scared of?
This post was edited on 3/9/16 at 5:41 pm
Posted on 3/9/16 at 6:03 pm to Masterag
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shite... you can play the fool if you want to, but the writing has been on the wall for 30 years.
Really? Because Hispanics have been in Texas far longer than that. So that writing had to be older than just 30 years.
You may think I'm just playing a 'fool', but I can assure you that you're overreacting. All of us have gone through that nostalgia crisis at some point in our lives. I can totally relate to that feeling you get when you realize you can't go back. But that's part of growing old. Time to move on and let memories be memories...
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I see Hispanics all the time born in Texas flying and carrying Mexican flags and shite.
All the time? As in every place you go? Common! Exaggerating just to prove a point is disgusting and irresponsible. Do I see it sometimes? Absolutely. But I wouldn't say I see it all the time. Hell, I drive through Houston everyday and probably see the Virgin Mary 10x more than anything that resembles the Mexican flag or emblem
...and I barely see her to begin with. quote:
Hell, watching us v Mexico soccer matches at the pub they're all rooting for Mexico. Slowly but surely...
You may find 1st and some 2nd generation Mexican Americans doing so as they still have direct connections to Mexico. But I can assure you that most of that is lost once 3rd generation Hispanics come to fruition. Watching some Hispanics root for Mexico is no different than the immigrants that arrived through Ellis Island choosing to live in segregated NY boroughs (ie Little Italy,
Little Armenia, etc).
You fear a 'Mexican' takeover, but in reality these Hispanics will become as American as you and I sooner than you think. Univision and it's investors have acknowledged/feared just that...
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The concern is that second- and third-generation Hispanic Americans who are bilingual or speak only English will pass over Spanish-language shows. The young viewers who grow up immersed in English-language media are less likely to gravitate toward the types of programmes that hooked their parents, analysts say
So don't worry. Your children won't be forced to speak Spanish, salute the Mexican flag, or drive down Antonio López de Santa Anna Blvd. on their way to Miguel Hidalgo y Costilla High School. Hispanics assimilate to the American Culture very well. They watch English based entertainment, listen to English music, and do business mostly in English just like we do.
Any other concerns? Or does this unfounded fear come from somewhere else? Because if it is (and just to be clear, I'm not saying it does), then I can't help you.
Posted on 3/11/16 at 5:50 pm to greenbastard
Dude. I just finished driving through east Dallas, and most of the time felt as though I was driving through somewhere in Latin America. I don't want to live in Latin America, but the more people come from Mexico the more the status quo moves in that direction, and the less Mexican migrants will associate with anything American, Texan or Southern, let alone assimilate to OUR culture. At what point did it become racist to preserve ones culture? How does the fact that I don't want Texas to become Tejas make me xenophobic? Apparently throwing away the cultural history of your ancestors doesn't bother you, but it does me. And I dgaf what you want to call me because of it.
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