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Posted on 7/14/15 at 2:48 am to WhiskerBiscuitSlayer
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Slocum
Could have been justifiably fired after the 1996 and 2000 seasons, but was protected by Wally Groff.
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Fran
Should have been fired after the 2005 season...upon the end of the 4th quarter of the Iowa State game. Dollar Bill stupidly granted the ridiculous extension after the 2004 season...after the first loss to Baylor in 20 years and the worst bowl loss in school history.
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Sherman
I actually disagree with this one. He bought himself a fourth year with the 2010 season and was justifiably fired after the 2011 season. Again, Byrne's stupidity when it came to contract negotiation reared its ugly head.
Also, let's keep this stat in mind:
Bowl record (Sherill through Sherman, inc. 2011): 6-15 (.400 pct)
The wins were Auburn, Notre Dame, BYU, Michigan, TCU, and Northwestern
Bowl record (Sumlin): 3-0 (1.000 pct) with wins over Oklahoma, Duke, and West Virginia
Sumlin has more bowl wins than Sherill, Franchione, and Sherman combined, and as many bowl wins in 3 years as Slocum had in 14.
This post was edited on 7/14/15 at 4:45 am
Posted on 7/14/15 at 4:09 am to tmc94
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It's East and it's Texas but it ain't ETX. It's Triangle area. Or SETX. Too far south for my definition. I'd say anything south of 190 is SETX
It's east TX, baw. Definitively.
Posted on 7/14/15 at 7:27 am to Old Sarge
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Y'all seriously want to fire Sumlin if he goes:
9-3
10-2
10-2
9-3
Hell no. That'd be great.
Some of our fans are just Overly Aggie and refuse to realize who we are. We are a perpetually mediocre program with superior fan support and loyalty.
We're a Mississippi school with the fan support of Alabama.
When people talk about firing Sumlin if his next 4 seasons are two 9s and two 10s it reminds me of some of my wife's single friends who are 6s and hold out on talking to a guy of equal attractiveness and a good career who likes them because they think they're going to marry JJ Watt.
It is what it is. Just accept it, enjoy the years where we surprise ourselves, and move on.
This post was edited on 7/14/15 at 7:30 am
Posted on 7/14/15 at 7:38 am to Cooter Davenport
Now that's how you disagree and mock someone with style 
Posted on 7/14/15 at 7:44 am to Old Sarge
And I'll openly cop to BAS. But at some point... after decades and decades of data and experience, maybe BAS is reality? It's certainly easier than constantly thinking "this is the coach!" or "this is the year!" only to be 1999'd or 2011'd again and again and when we DO have a surprise year, it's actually a surprise and fun - as opposed to merely meeting expectations which are otherwise dashed constantly.
I'm a guy who always wears our gear: 6-6 or 11 wins. Always has his ring on. Has an A&M helmet on his desk. Spends too much on tickets. So it's not that my low expectations make me less of a fan. The way I look at it, I'm more of a fan, because I'm openly a fan of a perpetually mediocre squad and I realize that, which is WAY more legit and tougher than being a fan of a sucessful team. The way I look at it is - those people aren't even real fans. A 50 year old Pats fan who really stayed with them the whole time? Ok. One who is 26 years old? No way. You have to suffer for it to mean anything.
But at some point... after decades and decades of data and experience, maybe BAS is reality? It's certainly easier than constantly thinking "this is the coach!" or "this is the year!" only to be 1999'd or 2011'd again and again and when we DO have a surprise year, it's actually a surprise and fun - as opposed to merely meeting expectations which are otherwise dashed constantly. I'm a guy who always wears our gear: 6-6 or 11 wins. Always has his ring on. Has an A&M helmet on his desk. Spends too much on tickets. So it's not that my low expectations make me less of a fan. The way I look at it, I'm more of a fan, because I'm openly a fan of a perpetually mediocre squad and I realize that, which is WAY more legit and tougher than being a fan of a sucessful team. The way I look at it is - those people aren't even real fans. A 50 year old Pats fan who really stayed with them the whole time? Ok. One who is 26 years old? No way. You have to suffer for it to mean anything.
This post was edited on 7/14/15 at 7:55 am
Posted on 7/14/15 at 8:04 am to Cooter Davenport
But what is success?
Winning 11 every year?
Winning 12 every year?
A conference championship every 3 years?
A division championship every 2 years?
A natty every 3 years?
They've already said they'd fire Sumlin for winning 10 + a bowl every other year. If we do that we'll have our share of championships............
What truly is the Aggy of our past is the expectation that we can't be a very good team and expect greatness to appear on occasion. That's the past, we aren't there any more. Some need to shake free of that notion.
But watch what you wish for before you wander in the desert for another 15 years
Winning 11 every year?
Winning 12 every year?
A conference championship every 3 years?
A division championship every 2 years?
A natty every 3 years?
They've already said they'd fire Sumlin for winning 10 + a bowl every other year. If we do that we'll have our share of championships............
What truly is the Aggy of our past is the expectation that we can't be a very good team and expect greatness to appear on occasion. That's the past, we aren't there any more. Some need to shake free of that notion.
But watch what you wish for before you wander in the desert for another 15 years
Posted on 7/14/15 at 8:05 am to betweenthebara
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I believe that Aggies by and large are a thoughtful and reasonable bunch who recognize what their priorities in life should be, and consequently a mediocre football season isn't the be all end all like it is at a place like Alabama/Lsu etc. therefore, coaches are tolerated for longer than they might be elsewhere (this isn't sumlin or even football specific btw). IMHO.
With Slocum I think a segment of our fanbase and AD was just too loyal to him, not that they accepted the results.
Not sure how this can refer to Fran or if you were around the program at all during that time. All of our fans (aside from the ones getting newsletters maybe) fricking hated that dipshit an definitely did not accept him. We had a shitty run AD at the time and got ourselves in a bad contract situation
If our fanbase was as accepting of mediocre results as you say we wouldn't have fired Sherman after going 7-6
This post was edited on 7/14/15 at 8:06 am
Posted on 7/14/15 at 8:09 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
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If our fanbase was as accepting of mediocre results as you say we wouldn't have fired Sherman after going 7-6
Hang on there, our brethren just defined mediocre as 9-10 win seasons
Posted on 7/14/15 at 8:17 am to Old Sarge
Also I don't understand how a kid who hasn't been committed for months "decommitting" caused this I love a good melt but come on
I love a good melt but come on
Posted on 7/14/15 at 8:26 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
Just win baby! 9-10 wins and our recruiting will pick back up. That bama loss did some real damage
Posted on 7/14/15 at 8:28 am to betweenthebara
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I've long felt that this has been a reason for underachieving within the football program. There simply isn't the same freakout over mediocre seasons as there would be at other programs.
Not to derail the thread, but you are wrong. Too many Aggies feel like THEY are the reason for the loss, they didn't demand a better coach or they did do the yells right. The reality of Aggie football is that fans can only go so far and contribute so much. At some point the guys on the field have to win, and so having the most talent on your side of the field is how you win. Our lack of modern success is due to the fact that the rural, military and conservative culture of A&M is not appealing to the type of urban football player that makes teams elite. A generic Texas State with girl cheerleaders, no corps baggage, and a more liberal environment would have won a national title in my lifetime I am almost sure of it. The problem is not our expectation of coaches, the problem is even when we find a good coach he has had to swim upstream in recruiting. If we are going to change who we are to be more successful the answer is not to illogically demand 10 wins, therefore running through coaches like scratch off tickets, it is to do things like putting pussy on the sidelines and killing the corps block to make ten wins more possible. I think we are on that path with the facilities and the SEC move, but at some level we need to wake up and realize we willingly cling to military branding even at a detriment to football success.
Not that I am saying we should change for football, just saying its not all expectations. And I am not even saying Sumlin is toast. This season is his fourth year. All his recruits, all his system. With any new hire year four is when you look for an uptick anyway if things are going to work.
Our recruiting class is rough right now without Little. No way to spin it. Without a good year we end up with a barely top 20 class and Sumlin is a lame duck for one or two wasted years. That's life.
The only reason I don't accept our lot is because if we could win our once a century national title during the next ten years while the OU is stuck in shitland we might change our program foevever.
This post was edited on 7/14/15 at 8:30 am
Posted on 7/14/15 at 8:48 am to cardboardboxer
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to do things like putting pussy on the sidelines and killing the corps block to make ten wins more possible.
What the hell......
Posted on 7/14/15 at 8:50 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
Since when do we need a cause to melt Shane?
I'm not really melting btw, one offensive lineman isn't gonna win us a championship. My only concern is that other players seeing a top recruit decommit will sour them on us.
I'm not really melting btw, one offensive lineman isn't gonna win us a championship. My only concern is that other players seeing a top recruit decommit will sour them on us.
Posted on 7/14/15 at 8:53 am to cardboardboxer
agressor;dr
Posted on 7/14/15 at 8:56 am to WhiskerBiscuitSlayer
I mean I'm certainly concerned about our recruiting class. It's going to work itself out one way or the other though, either we will win this year and recruits will hop on or we will have a mediocre year and the heat will turn up on Sumlin anyways This post was edited on 7/14/15 at 8:57 am
Posted on 7/14/15 at 9:01 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
My thoughts had nothing to do with little. I won't melt on an offensive commit though I would have if Murray picked the whorns. Little only has me concerned in terms of perception with other commits.
I save my melts for the defensive side of the ball.
I save my melts for the defensive side of the ball.
Posted on 7/14/15 at 9:38 am to Old Sarge
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What the hell......
I just want to be clear, I am not advocating that. I think our game day experience is unique and is actually more important to preserve than the results which can change from year to year. If I was in charge (like an Aggie Dicktator) I wouldn't change a thing (except the corps block) right down to Sumlin's huge salary. As far as I am concerned he is getting paid enough money to swim upstream and to coach a team to nine wins no matter what. Next year can't just be a so-so year or he won't recover recruiting wise. That is just my opinion but to me the facts are clear.
I think this cycle is very interesting in that the SEC effect is in full force. The sky isn't falling because OU and Texas are doing even WORSE in many ways, Charlie's commit list doesn't look great. I don't remember it myself, but right now reminds me of how people described a late SWC when all the best talent just left the state because the local options weren't as good. The effect of Bama, LSU, and Ole Miss is a little more serious than I thought. I thought that they (especially Ole Miss) would be competing for the four stars a Tech or a Baylor might otherwise get. Instead it is the very top and most elite players that are looking to leave the state.
Actually that environment is what keeps me from melting. The SEC obviously is having an effect, so if we can have an effect in the SEC this season we can make up more ground than Texas or OU could with the same 9 win record. We are in a good position to finish on a very high note, but to get there the future has to be now. Chavis has the first three quarters of the ASU game to get that defense into shape.
It is pretty exciting times. Honestly has me looking forward to football more than last season. Last year a setback was guaranteed and so no win or loss seemed as important as keeping Daylon Mack and Murray. But we aren't riding into this season with an elite recruit in the edge, and the JFF recruiting momentum I was basically begging God to last through last NSD is now officially all gone. Its showtime.
Sumlin and this team have it all in front of them. Looking forward to it!
This post was edited on 7/14/15 at 10:02 am
Posted on 7/14/15 at 9:41 am to cardboardboxer
We've had two 5 star olinemen decommit this cycle. LOL
Posted on 7/14/15 at 10:14 am to leoj
Nm
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