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Posted on 7/15/15 at 7:42 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
Posted on 7/15/15 at 7:42 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
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Seriously what are they spending it on?
A huge payroll inherited from Deloss that Patterson has added to.
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Posted on 7/15/15 at 8:19 am to cardboardboxer
Posted on 7/15/15 at 11:53 am to Mirthomatic
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Sumlin is kicking Strong's arse on the recruiting trail. He did it last year, too, winning all but a few head-to-head battles for recruits. And Sumlin was kicking Brown's arse in recruiting, too.
That's true, but Brown stopped trying as a recruiter and just let his assistants do everything. When Brown was at his finest, Texas was in the top 5 pretty much every year. I also believe Sumlin would be a better recruiter if he was at Texas than he is at A&M. The SEC is definitely a better conference than the Big 12, and that has boosted A&M's stature, but Texas can pay their coaches more than anyone else, and when good they are one of the most desirable programs in the nation.
I guess I just view it as Texas' highs can be higher than A&M, and A&M's lows can be lower than Texas. That being said, for the current year I guess A&M is more desirable. Just more talent on the team and a better reputation right now.
Posted on 7/15/15 at 2:24 pm to Dawgsontop34
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That's true, but Brown stopped trying as a recruiter and just let his assistants do everything.
I don't think Mack Brown was trying up until the 2012 class (2nd overall), and then just decided to quit trying the next year and beyond (17th in 2013, 16th in 2014, and was getting his arse handed to him in 2015 before being canned). I don't think Mack could stop being a recruiter if he WANTED to. The man is a BORN salesman. Always has been, and always will be. That stuff is as natural to him as breathing.
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but Texas can pay their coaches more than anyone else
Can they? Their Athletic Department is operating in the red. And four head coaches made more last year than Charlie Strong. One of those four is Kevin Sumlin.
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And even Mack Brown, at his highest salary, would only be #3 on 2014's list.
A&M just signed Chavis as DC for $1.67M per year. That's more than ANY other assistant, at any school.
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(Muschamp is at 1.6M for Auburn)
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when good they are one of the most desirable programs in the nation.
This is begging the question: "UTx is one of the most desirable programs in the nation because when they're good they're one of the most desirable programs in the nation."
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I guess I just view it as Texas' highs can be higher than A&M, and A&M's lows can be lower than Texas.
I understand this sentiment, because historically it has been the case. But history is not a straight line. Things change, and empires rise and fall. Florida never won an SEC championship until 1991 (or 1984 if you count championships vacated for infractions). They never won a national title until 1996. Now they have 8 conference championships and three national titles in a little over two decades, under two different coaches, and are considered by all to be, at worst, a top-10 job.
Florida was a sleeping giant. And at the risk of sounding like a homer, I think A&M is, too.
Posted on 7/15/15 at 5:43 pm to Mirthomatic
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understand this sentiment, because historically it has been the case. But history is not a straight line. Things change, and empires rise and fall. Florida never won an SEC championship until 1991 (or 1984 if you count championships vacated for infractions). They never won a national title until 1996. Now they have 8 conference championships and three national titles in a little over two decades, under two different coaches, and are considered by all to be, at worst, a top-10 job.
Florida was a sleeping giant. And at the risk of sounding like a homer, I think A&M is, too.
You just gave me a maroon boner.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 9:47 am to betweenthebara
Dodged a major bullet with Davon Durant, both on the recruiting trail and the upcoming game.
He will not rejoin Arizona State after being arrested in March and expelled from the school.
He would have been their starting MLB (and ours too if we signed him)
He will not rejoin Arizona State after being arrested in March and expelled from the school.
He would have been their starting MLB (and ours too if we signed him)
Posted on 7/16/15 at 11:22 am to CGSC Lobotomy
Yowza, the last thing we needed was a character-flawed idiot who we'd slot in and count on being our MLB only for him get bounced fromt he program and leave us with having to move people around the roster. Lord knows we know full dang well what it's like to lose a key LB and watch the whole defense crumble as a result of the personel shift/talent gap/leadership vacuum. Seems like that, by way of injury, has been the story of A&M for the past 4 years. Dodged a .50 cal round on this one!
This post was edited on 7/16/15 at 11:25 am
Posted on 7/16/15 at 11:48 am to Cooter Davenport
Was he the Juco transfer we were so hot for?
Posted on 7/16/15 at 12:54 pm to Mirthomatic
Texas will always be the higher profile program in the lifetime of anyone here. A&M needs multiple SEC and national titles, as well as many more down years from the horns, to come close to changing a century's long perception.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 1:01 pm to Roger Klarvin
A&M has been the higher profile program in my lifetime before and it will be again.
2012-2013 there is no doubt that Texas A&M had the higher profile program in those 2 years. From a national perspective.
It felt like strong got some live last year and the recruiting nonsense pumped them up to our equal in 2014.
But a great 2015 and we could be right back in the drivers seat.
Now if by high profile you mean more texas tshirt fans and texas media love? I agree that it is still a ways off but 10 years of them being mediocre can change a lot.
2012-2013 there is no doubt that Texas A&M had the higher profile program in those 2 years. From a national perspective.
It felt like strong got some live last year and the recruiting nonsense pumped them up to our equal in 2014.
But a great 2015 and we could be right back in the drivers seat.
Now if by high profile you mean more texas tshirt fans and texas media love? I agree that it is still a ways off but 10 years of them being mediocre can change a lot.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 1:34 pm to Old Sarge
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Was he the Juco transfer we were so hot for?
He committed early to SC but then decommitted. He is originally from SC. IIRC, we offered and scheduled a visit but we ended up cancelling it. Because of his star rating, there were a lot of fans that loved him but it seems we did recon after the offer and passed for whatever reason.
Hamm reported on 11/23 it was because he couldn't qualify to an SEC school and that he wasn't a Dec grad but both were apparently false (he visited Ole Miss the following week and enrolled at ASU in Jan). So we passed for some other reason. As far as I can tell, he was never so much as mentioned on this board prior to CGSC's post yesterday.
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Posted on 7/16/15 at 3:29 pm to tmc94
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. As far as I can tell, he was never so much as mentioned on this board prior to CGSC's post yesterday.
I remember discussing him somewhere maybe the recruiting board
Posted on 7/16/15 at 4:01 pm to Agforlife
I do to, but I really never venture over there.
Maybe it was on TexAgs, but I never go there either anymore
Maybe it was on TexAgs, but I never go there either anymore
Posted on 7/16/15 at 4:23 pm to Old Sarge
I searched the '15 thread and his name never appeared. Since the search is finicky, I then looked specifically page by page between 11/15-12/1 (only 3 pages) and did a find on both his first and last name. He was never even mentioned during a period he was scheduled to take an OV and our subsequent cancelling of it.
My point wasn't necessarily that no one ever talked about him - I imagine it happened bc we did offer the guy - but that let's not go all revisionist history that we were "hot for" him. And whether fans were or not, all available information points to our staff taking a pass.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 4:43 pm to tmc94
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My point wasn't necessarily that no one ever talked about him - I imagine it happened bc we did offer the guy - but that let's not go all revisionist history that we were "hot for" him. And whether fans were or not, all available information points to our staff taking a pass.
Never said we were all hot for him I just remember talking about him a little us all.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 5:00 pm to tmc94
Wow there, I just remember there being excitement and anticipation regarding him possibly picking us. Maybe it was on. Texags radio, I don't remember
Posted on 7/16/15 at 5:29 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
quote:No MLB you say? Time to dust off the Y-stick/inside zone package for opening day
Dodged a major bullet with Davon Durant, both on the recruiting trail and the upcoming game.
He will not rejoin Arizona State after being arrested in March and expelled from the school.
He would have been their starting MLB (and ours too if we signed him)
Posted on 7/16/15 at 5:38 pm to Agforlife
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Never said we were all hot for him I just remember talking about him a little us all.
No worries. That was the specific wording OS used in his question above which was what I originally responded to
Posted on 7/16/15 at 9:36 pm to tmc94
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Baylor mod said... (original post)
Let me say this -- and I'm sure I'll get "called out" for saying this -- I don't think Baylor was too concerned
about landing Dickson. And I don't think Texas A&M was either.
I can't speak for the Texas A&M situation, but I think Baylor fans will be more than content with how the 2016 WR class turns out and who eventually ends up in Waco.
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Other Baylor mod:
Have heard the same, Baylor had moved on as well as A&M.
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