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Posted on 8/11/15 at 9:36 pm to Roger Klarvin
Posted on 8/11/15 at 9:36 pm to Roger Klarvin
59-0 is a statement that something is really really wrong. No gittin around that. Did he lose the team? Don't know. But if he did, he got the team back, and that is no small accomplishment. We were young and thin at all the wrong places. The team clearly thought it was better than it was. We were reeling going into Bama, and we got shown up as pretenders. It was an embarrassment, the kind of thing that I thought was behind us. In hindsight, we were ripe for it last year, especially vs Bama, and at their place. In terms of the maturity of the program, we weren't even in the same conversation as Bama last year. It does nothing, however, to dampen my enthusiasm for this year. If we get embarrassed again, that's a different story. May be way wrong, but I don't see it happening. Even if we turn out not to be elite this year, I think we're gonna be hell to deal with.
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Posted on 8/11/15 at 10:09 pm to Roger Klarvin
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I mean we were a couple miracles away from 5-7, so that isn't overly convincing.
And if you eliminate the 3rd Quarter from the Mizzou game, and the 2nd quarter from the LSU game, during which we surrendered a total of 45 points, Kyle Allen goes undefeated as a true fish.
I don't think the team lost faith in Sumlin. I think the team lost faith in Hill. Sumlin saw it, but didn't want to baptize Allen in the fires of Bryant-Denny. Sumlin was essentially conceding that game to protect Allen, and I wouldn't be surprised at all to learn that the team picked up on it.
Once Allen took the reins, the rest of the team started to believe they had a chance. They still had struggled some, because Allen was still a true fish, and Snyder was still an incompetent DC.
But no team that has quit on their coach beats #3 Auburn at their house. They don't even stay CLOSE to #3 Auburn at their house.
Posted on 8/11/15 at 10:21 pm to Mirthomatic
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But no team that has quit on their coach beats #3 Auburn at their house. They don't even stay CLOSE to #3 Auburn at their house.
That's a great point. But to be fair Auburn wasn't who we thought they were either. But still a very legit W for our boys
Posted on 8/11/15 at 10:32 pm to Mirthomatic
Auburn was a paper toger, in the end no better than we were record wise. Any SEC road victory is good, but they werent #3 in reality.
Posted on 8/11/15 at 10:40 pm to Mirthomatic
And had we played at the level we did at Auburn the rest of the way I would be much more comfident, but the fact is we looked dead against Mizzu and LSU. Those were two of the most uninspired, boring football games I've watched at Kyle in a while.
Posted on 8/11/15 at 10:43 pm to Old Sarge
In terms of teams not being who we thought they were:
Games are played when they're played. Sometimes, teams turn out to be different based upon the fact that you beat them when the game was played. If you don't beat them, their season may have turned out to be completely different. SCAR last year is a case in point. Looking back, it seems like no big deal. But at the point when the game was played, it was a big deal. NOBODY gave us a chance in hell to win that game. First SECN game, first college game of the year, on the road, super hostile environment. If that game had turned out 59-0 SC, nobody would have been surprised. But KDS and his team stood up in the face of all that and won the game going away. If we melt and SC wins, which any A&M team without Jackie or KDS at the helm would have done, SC's season might have looked very different. You can't underestimate what confidence can do for a team. We fricked up SC's world. They still haven't recovered from it. But that happened because we did it to them when the game was played, with everything that was going on at that time.
Games are played when they're played. Sometimes, teams turn out to be different based upon the fact that you beat them when the game was played. If you don't beat them, their season may have turned out to be completely different. SCAR last year is a case in point. Looking back, it seems like no big deal. But at the point when the game was played, it was a big deal. NOBODY gave us a chance in hell to win that game. First SECN game, first college game of the year, on the road, super hostile environment. If that game had turned out 59-0 SC, nobody would have been surprised. But KDS and his team stood up in the face of all that and won the game going away. If we melt and SC wins, which any A&M team without Jackie or KDS at the helm would have done, SC's season might have looked very different. You can't underestimate what confidence can do for a team. We fricked up SC's world. They still haven't recovered from it. But that happened because we did it to them when the game was played, with everything that was going on at that time.
Posted on 8/11/15 at 10:45 pm to Roger Klarvin
I agree with you that the Mo and LSU games last year are troublesome.
Posted on 8/11/15 at 10:54 pm to SafetySam
And for the life of me, I can't understand the apathy of the A&M fanbase around playing Mo. A&M fans act like playing Mo is beneath us, while Mo, more often than not, just keeps beating our arse. That's sip-level arrogance.
Posted on 8/11/15 at 11:46 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Auburn was a paper toger, in the end no better than we were record wise. Any SEC road victory is good, but they werent #3 in reality.
A team that has quit gets smoked by even a paper tiger. That's my point. No one knew Auburn was a paper tiger when A&M took the field against them. They were the defending SEC champs, coming off a national championship game appearance (one they almost won), and they were ranked #3 in the nation.
A team that has quit just rolls over when faced with that kind of challenge. This team didn't do that. And they didn't roll over in any of Allen's other games.
Posted on 8/11/15 at 11:51 pm to SafetySam
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And for the life of me, I can't understand the apathy of the A&M fanbase around playing Mo. A&M fans act like playing Mo is beneath us, while Mo, more often than not, just keeps beating our arse. That's sip-level arrogance.
Yeah, people are going to have to start realizing that Pinkel is the real deal. Maybe he's not Bill Snyder level, but like Snyder he gets a lot more out of what he has than most other coaches.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 12:39 am to SafetySam
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And for the life of me, I can't understand the apathy of the A&M fanbase around playing Mo. A&M fans act like playing Mo is beneath us, while Mo, more often than not, just keeps beating our arse. That's sip-level arrogance.
It's more of the "we didn't join the SEC to play Missouri every year" feeling.
I'm sure Missouri feels the same way.
This post was edited on 8/12/15 at 12:39 am
Posted on 8/12/15 at 12:40 am to Roger Klarvin
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but the fact is we looked dead against Mizzu and LSU
You do remember that Myles Garrett was out the entire Missouri game, right?
That was also the same game that Josh Walker broke his foot.
This post was edited on 8/12/15 at 12:41 am
Posted on 8/12/15 at 9:01 am to SafetySam
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And for the life of me, I can't understand the apathy of the A&M fanbase around playing Mo. A&M fans act like playing Mo is beneath us, while Mo, more often than not, just keeps beating our arse. That's sip-level arrogance.
I agree. And it was like that pre-SEC. So it's not that we just would rather be playing other SEC schools instead of the other former B12 team... our fans were absent, quiet and compacent on Mizzou game days back when they were beating us in the B12.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 10:43 am to Cooter Davenport
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I agree. And it was like that pre-SEC. So it's not that we just would rather be playing other SEC schools instead of the other former B12 team... our fans were absent, quiet and compacent on Mizzou game days back when they were beating us in the B12.
Mizzou doesn't have a lot of historical football success. Not the kind that creates excitement when you play them. Before Pinkel arrived, Mizzou had cracked the 10 win barrier only twice in history, in 1896 and 1960.
Mizzou's current success is greatly discounted because the division they play in is perceived to be "down". And their past success is greatly discounted because the division they played in, the B12 North, was considered to be "down".
For the first decade of the B12, Mizzou was pretty mediocre. When Mizzou had their breakout year in 2007, all the traditional powers in the North had fallen on hard times. NU/CU/KSU were a combined 9-15 in conference play. And for the remainder of the 2-division B12, only NU made enough improvements to get back to a couple 10 win seasons. But even they were a mere shell of their former glory.
But the East isn't going to be down forever. If Mizzou keeps doing what they've been doing, I think their due respect will come.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 10:47 am to Mirthomatic
For the life of me I could never get excited for a game against Mizzou. Still can't. It sucks that we have been so bad against them as of late. But I still can not muster a single frick about playing them. It is weird for me to be this way too. :shrugs:
Posted on 8/12/15 at 10:55 am to AgBQ00
Back on topic...Any news concerning B Will's move to the secondary and how that is going or how the d has looked the first couple of days or how the new running scheme is shaping up?
Posted on 8/12/15 at 11:03 am to AgBQ00
TA have been giving him rave reviews in the limited time they've practiced.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 11:53 am to Farmer1906
I've got a good feeling about BWill.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 12:15 pm to PikeBishop
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Any significant injuries through two days of practice?
no, nothing worth reporting. We don't even go to shells til Thursday I don't believe so any injuries at this point would be non-contact
Just the normal aches and pains. Kirk sat out because he was a bit under the weather (I do wonder if he was ready for the heat). That sort of thing.
Posted on 8/12/15 at 12:19 pm to tmc94
I bet he thought he was ready for the heat,(being from Arizona and all) but that humidity will zap you fast.
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