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re: The Kailo Thread
Posted on 12/7/12 at 10:23 am to Al Bundy Bulldog
Posted on 12/7/12 at 10:23 am to Al Bundy Bulldog
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Javess Blue 87
Not happening. Can't early enroll with the SEC's new ridiculous JUCO rule(same rule that cost OM Marquel Combs). He's Big12 bound.
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Posted on 12/7/12 at 10:43 am to engie
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You are overlooking a whole bunch of the possibilities left in our class at this point
Im sure I am. And for every Elijah Daniels that you think you have a real shot with, I can throw in a Matravious Adams. We could go back and forth with players that we "have a shot with", but I was referring to actual chances, not fluke surprises.
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Did your OOS BCS offers statement come directly from Yancy? Seriously? Jones is playing in the UA game... Do you really think he doesn't have offers and/or won't get them? Fact is, we locked down most of this class very early. If guys tell schools they won't officially visit them, what motivation do schools have to give them a "committable offer"?
No, just looking at your class and its offers. How can you brag about how well Mullen recruited, when you didnt beat out anyone for the player? I already mentioned that while Jones doesnt have offers he is still talented, but would be your lone HS star (if Kailo flipped) unless you landed one of the big 3 I mentioned earlier (Dodds, Shumpert, and Ramsey). Once again I know thats a lot of what ifs and I said it was. But those what ifs are possible either way.
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What about Shelby Christy's 9 BCS offers
I see 3 other than yall and those three are Cincy, Colorado, and GT. Now I didnt skip this kid because those are awful BCS offers, but because I had never heard of him. I understand you are arguing my point, but is it not laughable that your best argument for a BCS offer is Cincinnati?
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Without Nkemdiche, you still end up with a very good class - but you don't likely get Treadwell or Daniel.
And we have better shot at RN, ED, and LT than you do any of the players you listed other than Z. Smith. Once again... a lot of what ifs, and thats why we will have to wait until NSD.
Posted on 12/7/12 at 10:49 am to engie
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To act like Ole Miss's class is going to soar while State's falls apart is nowhere near a given at this point
That is correct. I was just pointing out the chance of it occuring and would not have done so if I didnt believe it was 50% chance or better.
I think yall have a 50% at Dobbs and 70% with Shumpert. Add in the 50% with Kailo and thats where your class makes or breaks. If two go your way, youre in good shape. If two go the other way then you are fricked. You will still load up on plenty of juco talent. Sanders and Z are solid players and Cox is elite, but when your class is built around juco your program is in trouble. I'll say it again.. land 2 of those three and with the solid 3 stars and very talented juco's you have a very strong class. Lose 2 of those 3 and you have a bottom class in the SEC and it will be floated by JUCOS.
This post was edited on 12/7/12 at 10:51 am
Posted on 12/7/12 at 11:00 am to engie
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Not happening. Can't early enroll with the SEC's new ridiculous JUCO rule(same rule that cost OM Marquel Combs). He's Big12 bound.
He will enroll in June then, just like Corey Smith if were to get him (which seems VERY unlikely because a number of factors)
Both Paul and Johnboy think we get Blue.
This post was edited on 12/7/12 at 11:03 am
Posted on 12/7/12 at 11:33 am to Al Bundy Bulldog
WIO you go hard in da paint in these recruiting threads 
Posted on 12/7/12 at 11:42 am to Whereisomaha
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Im sure I am. And for every Elijah Daniels that you think you have a real shot with, I can throw in a Matravious Adams. We could go back and forth with players that we "have a shot with", but I was referring to actual chances, not fluke surprises.
First off, who is Elijah Daniels? Never heard of him. Otherwise, we must be talking about Elijah Daniel, who had an in-home with our best two recruiters yesterday(Brewster and Wilson) and recently said State and OM are his leaders ahead of Florida. You call that a "fluke surprise" if he declares for State? What makes you honestly think we aren't in the game with him? RN is the ONLY thing giving you any type of advantage over us. Like I said, everything you assume about your class revolves around getting RN, which seems like much less of a sure thing today than it did 2 weeks ago.
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No, just looking at your class and its offers. How can you brag about how well Mullen recruited, when you didnt beat out anyone for the player?
There are a few "diamonds" in this class that honestly probably don't get other BCS offers(and several that are likely to greyshirt at State depending on how our numbers work out and/or because of injuries), but there are QUITE a few guys that would have been pretty heavily recruited had they ever shown one inkling of interest in going to other places aka going to camps, junior days, etc at other locations. Keep telling yourself that the #6-#10 players in Mississippi(all MSU commits - 24/7 composite) aren't good enough for elsewhere though, when 5 short years ago, many of those exact same players were being taken by Bama, Auburn, and LSU. Credit Mullen and Nutt/Freeze for locking down the state well enough that other ELITE schools ONLY bother recruiting the absolute ELITE MS talent. It's becoming a well-known lost cause for lower-tier BCS schools to even attempt to get ANY Mississippi talent.
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I see 3 other than yall and those three are Cincy, Colorado, and GT. Now I didnt skip this kid because those are awful BCS offers, but because I had never heard of him. I understand you are arguing my point, but is it not laughable that your best argument for a BCS offer is Cincinnati?
Where the frick did you cherrypick that info from? And you really want to be taken seriously in this discussion?
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And we have better shot at RN, ED, and LT than you do any of the players you listed other than Z. Smith. Once again... a lot of what ifs, and thats why we will have to wait until NSD.
Quite a few of the players I listed will be Bulldogs. But you are correct, that is why we wait till Signing Day.
This post was edited on 12/7/12 at 11:49 am
Posted on 12/7/12 at 12:40 pm to engie
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RN is the ONLY thing giving you any type of advantage over us. Like I said, everything you assume about your class revolves around getting RN, which seems like much less of a sure thing today than it did 2 weeks ago.
RN had nothing to do with ED storming the field after we beat your arse in the Egg bowl. There are plenty of reasons we lead over you with ED with or without RN. But what difference does that make? You think we have a better shot at him than you do, which is my point. I can mention plenty of kids that we are number 2 with, just like you are doing with Elijah.
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eep telling yourself that the #6-#10 players in Mississippi(all MSU commits - 24/7 composite) aren't good enough for elsewhere though, when 5 short years ago, many of those exact same players were being taken by Bama, Auburn, and LSU. Credit Mullen and Nutt/Freeze for locking down the state well enough that other ELITE schools ONLY bother recruiting the absolute ELITE MS talent. It's becoming a well-known lost cause for lower-tier BCS schools to even attempt to get ANY Mississippi talent.
What are you talking about? Channing, Quay, Nick, Richie, CJ, Brassell, Tobias, Moncrief, Tony, Shumpert, Alford, Liggins.... those are the elite players of the past three classes. Those players were recruited by everyone in the SEC. Those players stayed in state. 7-12 can turn out to be solid SEC players, but they werent recruited by OOS schools because they arent good enough prospects to be. Diamonds are always there but the Dandy Dozen has never been full of players that teams from other states want.
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Where the frick did you cherrypick that info from? And you really want to be taken seriously in this discussion?
And surely you see how I made that mistake. I went to 247 because I know thats where you go and you had to hit "show all 19 entries" before you see the other schools. My point still stands. I have not followed this kids recruiting because I do not even know who he is. Unlike Mix, I cant comment on his offers because I do not know the extent of him receiving them. The point is, the majority of our commits were wanted by bigger and better programs. Yours, to maybe the exception of 1-2, do not have offers from any OOS BCS programs. How is that great recruiting if you were the kids best option?
This post was edited on 12/7/12 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 12/7/12 at 12:47 pm to Whereisomaha
Whats this Im hearing about Snoop Brassell dropping out at East MS CC ????
Posted on 12/7/12 at 12:50 pm to Whereisomaha
Go Get'em WIO
This post was edited on 12/7/12 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 12/7/12 at 12:52 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
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Whats this Im hearing about Snoop Brassell dropping out at East MS CC ????
A little late with the voicing of terrible made up rumors. How any of you give a dime to Rosebowl is beyond me.
Posted on 12/7/12 at 12:59 pm to Whereisomaha
I think I will leave this right here
Posted on 12/7/12 at 1:08 pm to Whereisomaha
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A little late with the voicing of terrible made up rumors. How any of you give a dime to Rosebowl is beyond me.
My info ain't from Rosebowl, but rather from someone connected to EMCC.
Posted on 12/7/12 at 1:09 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
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Whats this Im hearing about Snoop Brassell dropping out at East MS CC ????
He left and went home, but was talked into going back with his whole "support structure." Grades are likely to prevent him getting back to Ole Miss before June...
Posted on 12/7/12 at 1:12 pm to engie
Who is interested in a ban bet that Snoop is at OM for spring?
This post was edited on 12/7/12 at 1:14 pm
Posted on 12/7/12 at 1:26 pm to Whereisomaha
I'll take it
Posted on 12/7/12 at 1:45 pm to Whereisomaha
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RN had nothing to do with ED storming the field after we beat your arse in the Egg bowl. There are plenty of reasons we lead over you with ED with or without RN. But what difference does that make? You think we have a better shot at him than you do, which is my point. I can mention plenty of kids that we are number 2 with, just like you are doing with Elijah.
We will see.
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7-12 can turn out to be solid SEC players, but they werent recruited by OOS schools because they arent good enough prospects to be.
The first guys you describe - yeah, nationally elite guys that are recruited by Bama and LSU. But the rest of these guys that you are trying to sell short could make their choice of any b1g school other than Ohio St/Michigan, any Big12 school other than Texas/OU, and any ACC school other than Florida St/Miami/Clemson. Taking an equal 3* from Georgia - of course they are going to have more offers. That's a state with open borders, where the hometown favorite is almost guaranteed to not have room, making those kids free agents. The reason you have had to chase marginal talent in other states is because MSU locked up all those types of players at home. Talk offer sheets if you want to, but this is what I do know:
Freshman all-sec under Mullen:
Fletcher Cox - highly recruited 4*
Corey Broomfield - nonrecruited 2-3*
John Banks - nonrecruited 2*
Chad Bumphis - highly recruited 4*
Gabe Jackson - nonrecruited 3*
Nickoe Whitley - nonrecruited 3*
Malcolm Johnson - norecruited 2-3*
Kaleb Eulls - somewhat highly recruited 4*
Benardrick McKinney - nonrecruited 2*
I'll trust Mullen on these types of players when he takes them early every single time until this trend turns. It was different when he was forced to scramble and take scrubs late in the process like he was in 2010 and 2011. That is no longer a problem for us and never will be again.
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And surely you see how I made that mistake. I went to 247 because I know thats where you go and you had to hit "show all 19 entries" before you see the other schools. My point still stands. I have not followed this kids recruiting because I do not even know who he is. Unlike Mix, I cant comment on his offers because I do not know the extent of him receiving them. The point is, the majority of our commits were wanted by bigger and better programs. Yours, to maybe the exception of 1-2, do not have offers from any OOS BCS programs. How is that great recruiting if you were the kids best option?
IF these players we're recruiting aren't good enough, why is it that Freeze has offered almost every one of them within a few days of their commitment to us?
Best way to judge our recruiting is by head to head, where we've lost what to you at this point, exactly? Arguably Ryan Buchanan? Meanwhile, 7 of the top 10 in MS are State commits, with #8 on the way, virtually all of which have OM offers and were actively recruited by Ole Miss.
Like I said, I expect you to have a very good class - It's a shame that you can't admit the same. They will be withing 3-4 spots in final recruiting rankings one way or the other.
This post was edited on 12/7/12 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 12/7/12 at 1:53 pm to engie
Good lord, guys. WTF is all that shite up there?
ETA: I love how WIO snapped at me when I started this thread and now he has written three novels in it.
Now you see why I started it. Pretty informative.
ETA: I love how WIO snapped at me when I started this thread and now he has written three novels in it.
Now you see why I started it. Pretty informative.
This post was edited on 12/7/12 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 12/7/12 at 1:55 pm to Tds & Beer
Omaha is a very sensitive soul.
Posted on 12/7/12 at 1:56 pm to Whereisomaha
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How any of you give a dime to Rosebowl is beyond me
I don't give him money, but I read his stuff. His information, the last two years, has been just that, information. If you listen to any of the predictions from any of those sites, I don't know what to tell you.
This post was edited on 12/7/12 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 12/7/12 at 1:56 pm to Tds & Beer
WIO knows more about Mississippi State recruiting than most of our fans
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