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Posted on 4/22/13 at 11:53 am to SwayzeBalla
Posted on 4/22/13 at 11:53 am to SwayzeBalla
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I don't see Mullen ever out-recruiting Freeze.
I would never argue with that. Freeze has proven to be an excellent recruiter -- while Dan has been a lackluster recruiter, but often a tremendous evaluator.
My point was simply that MSU will outrecruit OM in Mississippi at least half the time. The divide between the schools, themselves, and the people of MS virtually guarantees this going forward -- and no amount of success or failure for either program has seemed to change it over the past 20 years that recruiting has actually been followed. Fact is -- over 4-5 year stretches -- neither of us will ever truly dominate the other in MS recruiting. Thinking otherwise is pie-in-the-sky wishful thinking...
The way we both get better is to have increased talent years in MS(like 2014 and 2015 -- after it has sucked since 09) -- and using the constantly increasing exposure of the SEC to start recruiting nationally. We're starting to both really see the capability to do that for the first times...
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Posted on 4/22/13 at 12:30 pm to engie
IMO, it will be important for Mullen and State to consistently land the top prospects in the state because of Freeze's ability to recruit nationally.
Also, I wouldn't say that all of the classes since '09 have sucked. 2011 proved to be a pretty good class for the state of MS.
And from earlier, I don't see close to 50% of State's '09 class in the NFL.
Also, I wouldn't say that all of the classes since '09 have sucked. 2011 proved to be a pretty good class for the state of MS.
And from earlier, I don't see close to 50% of State's '09 class in the NFL.
Posted on 4/22/13 at 12:33 pm to engie
With all that spin I don't know how you walk in a straight lineThis post was edited on 4/22/13 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 4/22/13 at 12:57 pm to engie
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Mullen's foundation won't be fully laid until 2014
takes 6 years to lay a foundation?
Posted on 4/22/13 at 12:59 pm to pankReb
It's a big house
Posted on 4/22/13 at 1:31 pm to pankReb
Back problems
Posted on 4/22/13 at 5:58 pm to pankReb
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takes 6 years to lay a foundation?
How long do you think it will be before Freeze fields his "best team"?
Posted on 4/22/13 at 6:32 pm to engie
I think Mullen has already fielded his best team.
This post was edited on 4/22/13 at 6:32 pm
Posted on 4/22/13 at 6:34 pm to SwayzeBalla
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How long do you think it will be before Freeze fields his "best team"?
Next year, assuming we are better than we were last year. It is seeming more and more likely that
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Mullen has already fielded his best team.
Posted on 4/22/13 at 7:27 pm to reb13
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It is seeming more and more likely that Mullen has already fielded his best team
How so?
That line of thinking doesn't even make sense. You mean to tell me that the best we can be is with Chris Relf as our QB? You don't think Dak Prescott and Cord Sandberg will be much better in the same scheme with a MUCH better corps of receivers?
We're still upgrading talent. No matter how many times you tell yourself that it's going to fall apart for us, it just doesn't make it true...
Every single player we lost this year has their spot filled by a guy that was more highly recruited than they were.
This post was edited on 4/22/13 at 7:36 pm
Posted on 4/22/13 at 7:37 pm to engie
Taking 6 years to lay a foundation doesn't make much sense either. Sounds like a major spin job.
Posted on 4/22/13 at 8:34 pm to SwayzeBalla
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Taking 6 years to lay a foundation doesn't make much sense either. Sounds like a major spin job.
Again, if you would read what I actually wrote instead of taking one sentence out of context -- I explained it to you in detail. We won 9 in year two, so let's not pretend it's been some long arse rebuild.
We won't be the best team we can be until Dak/Cord is the starting QB -- which coincides with when we will have our first FULL class of 5th yr seniors.
We aren't(and weren't) built as a flash-in-the-pan team. It's been built for the long haul. That's why we are and have consistently redshirted a dozen or more 4*s at this point...
Posted on 4/22/13 at 9:02 pm to engie
Without looking it up, I highly doubt Mullen has redshirted "a dozen or more" 4*s.
Posted on 4/22/13 at 9:33 pm to engie
2013-5 4 stars
2012 5 4 stars
2011 4 4 stars
2010 2 4 stars
2009 6 4 stars
247 composite rankings
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2012 5 4 stars
2011 4 4 stars
2010 2 4 stars
2009 6 4 stars
247 composite rankings
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Posted on 4/22/13 at 9:38 pm to engie
I think you'll start to realize early in the second quarter when Okie St scores their third TD that you're gonna miss Cherrington, Banks, Broomfield, Devin Jones, Slay, Boyd, McCardell, and your leading tackler Cam Lawrence... Then you lineup on offense and your top pass catchers Bumphis, Smith, Heavens, Arceto Clark and your TE Marcus Green and the FB Hemphill are all gone...Let me guess though.. Every single backup and RS freshman is better than last year's starting seniors that were dismantled time and time again in SEC play ?
Posted on 4/22/13 at 9:58 pm to Landsharks
We probably redshirt 4 more this year. These are either Scout or Rivals' 4*s. I honestly trust neither ranking without 24/7's evaluations.
2012: Beniquez, Richie, Redmond
2011: Morrow
2010: Robinson, Wells, Eulls, Johnson
2009: Conner, Russell, Thames
2012: Beniquez, Richie, Redmond
2011: Morrow
2010: Robinson, Wells, Eulls, Johnson
2009: Conner, Russell, Thames
Posted on 4/22/13 at 10:06 pm to engie
I used the 247 composite.....
Posted on 4/22/13 at 10:17 pm to reggierayreb
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I think you'll start to realize early in the second quarter when Okie St scores their third TD that you're gonna miss Cherrington, Banks, Broomfield, Devin Jones, Slay, Boyd, McCardell, and your leading tackler Cam Lawrence... Then you lineup on offense and your top pass catchers Bumphis, Smith, Heavens, Arceto Clark and your TE Marcus Green and the FB Hemphill are all gone...Let me guess though.. Every single backup and RS freshman is better than last year's starting seniors that were dismantled time and time again in SEC play ?
I think you'll realize real early in the OK State game that this defense is alot more Manny Diaz than Chris Wilson. Nevermind how we're going to gash them through the air and on the run.
More heavy wishful rebel thinking...The only position we see ANY dropoff is at CB simply due to lack of experience. Why even make a case for missing people that aren't going to sniff the NFL draft? That's the vast majority of what you did there.
Miss Cherrington? Really? We've got 4 4* and a 5* DTs going for that role -- and a coach that can actually get the most of out them.
Banks was a no-offer 2*. He is replaced by the best JUCO DB in the country who was underrated as a 4* and given the full court press by Alabama -- who also had a half dozen SEC offers.
Broomfield was a no-offer 3* that had lost his spot to Jay Hughes by week 9 last year. We're going to seriously miss him? Very average SEC player -- in a position that will be battled between Hughes and 4* Dee Arrington.
Devin Jones didn't even start nor play starter reps. We're going to miss a backup DE? Preston Smith and Ryan Brown were better than him last year -- and they have both improved drastically this year. Let's not forget about Torrey Dale and AJ Jefferson either.
Slay was a no-offer 3*. He is replaced by a long 6'2 4* that had offers from half the SEC, Notre Dame, Ohio St, etc.
Boyd was a good 4* that struggled his final year -- replaced by good 4*s.
McCardell -- again, a backup DE that was a pass rush specialist that couldn't get to the QB. Was also outperformed by Preston Smith and Ryan Brown last year. Nevermind the Chris Jones angle.
Cam Lawrence was a no-offer 3*. He is replaced by one of 3 different 4* linebackers that were all pretty heavily recruited. Will we miss him as captain of our defense? Yes. Will we miss him at LB? No.
You really using our receiving corps from last year as some kind of significant loss? Really? Bumphis is the only one we will even notice being gone. We got bigger, faster, and stronger at the position. And tight end? Really? That just shows how disconnected you are from our program while trying to sound like you know what you are talking about.
Sylvester Hemphill? Did you miss Adrian Marcus getting the majority of the snaps and being better in the role last year?
Posted on 4/22/13 at 10:18 pm to Landsharks
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I used the 247 composite.....
Which does not have 24/7's own evaluations prior to 2012...
Posted on 4/22/13 at 10:24 pm to engie
So the premise of your argument is that a 4 star freshman is better than a 3 star senior. Interesting.
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