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Posted on 12/23/11 at 5:16 pm to memphisplaya
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Might want to add a comma. Otherwise saban Is just the 'Juggernaught bitch.'
haha I noticed this too. Completely changes the meaning
Posted on 12/23/11 at 5:28 pm to jcole4lsu
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When is the last time lsu didnt have an excellent kicker, punter, and return man?
Not having a good kicker is a major part of STs.
Alabama hasn't had bad kickers. Jeremy Shelley just doesn't have the leg beyond 40 yards. He's 16-20 with a long of 37 this year. He was a Lou Groza Award semi-finalist. He was 12-16 in 2010, with a long of 42. The problem is that Cade Foster seems to have regressed after a decent freshman season in 2010. He was 7-9 with a long of 49 in 2010. He is 2-9 this year.
Going back further, Alabama had Leigh Tiffin from 2006-2009. Outside of his meltdown at Arkansas, as a freshman in 2006, he had a stellar career. He was very accurate from 35 and out. He was a Lou Groza finalist in 2008 and 2009.
It seems people have judged Alabama's special teams play completely on the 2011 LSU game. LSU fans like to throw it in our face, but then don't want us to blame the loss on special teams. Which is it?
Posted on 12/23/11 at 5:34 pm to CapstoneGrad06
Capstone you just confirmed what I said earlier. Difference is Saban did not recruit tiffin.
While at LSU Saban had two kickers as well . A long guy Gaudet(meh) and a short guy in Chris Jackson who shanked many Pat's.
Until Colt David and Patrick fisher developed We didn't have much in the kicking department.
Chris Jackson also punted for us.
While at LSU Saban had two kickers as well . A long guy Gaudet(meh) and a short guy in Chris Jackson who shanked many Pat's.
Until Colt David and Patrick fisher developed We didn't have much in the kicking department.
Chris Jackson also punted for us.
Posted on 12/23/11 at 5:41 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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Alabama hasn't had bad kickers. Jeremy Shelley just doesn't have the leg beyond 40 yards. He's 16-20 with a long of 37 this year. He was a Lou Groza Award semi-finalist. He was 12-16 in 2010, with a long of 42. The problem is that Cade Foster seems to have regressed after a decent freshman season in 2010. He was 7-9 with a long of 49 in 2010. He is 2-9 this year.
so, bama does not have a complete kicker nor a pair of kickers that really compliment one another. is this recruiting or coaching?
either way the ST advantage belongs to LSU (probably in both recruiting and coaching)
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LSU fans like to throw it in our face, but then don't want us to blame the loss on special teams. Which is it?
This does not make any sense. LSU has better special teams and that played a factor in an otherwise evenly matched game. The game did not come down to just missing some long field goals however.
Posted on 12/23/11 at 5:45 pm to memphisplaya
It can't solely be on Nick Saban. Alabama has signed three very highly recruited kickers since 2007. At some point it's got to be on the special teams coordinator. Yes, it could be just bad evaluations on Alabama's part, but three times? Name another position where the Alabama staff has missed that often. Maybe it's just time to let Bobby Williams just coach TEs. I was a big advocate of getting Joe Robinson from UNC, but it looks like the defensive staff will remain together (Robinson also coached DE/LBs).
But back to kickers. If Adam Griffith doesn't pan out, like Foster seems to be heading, and Corey Smith did, then maybe Saban does have problems with fielding a solid kicking game. While we have Jeremy Shelley for one more season, he can't be counted on for anything beyond 40 yards.
Despite the kicking woes, I feel that punting has been solid for the most part. We don't have a guy that can flip the field on every attempt, but he's pretty consistent. Coverage is usually solid, but seems to have 1-2 big ones given up a year. Returns have been very good. We've been lucky to have Arenas and Maze the last few years. It will be interesting to see who takes over those roles.
But back to kickers. If Adam Griffith doesn't pan out, like Foster seems to be heading, and Corey Smith did, then maybe Saban does have problems with fielding a solid kicking game. While we have Jeremy Shelley for one more season, he can't be counted on for anything beyond 40 yards.
Despite the kicking woes, I feel that punting has been solid for the most part. We don't have a guy that can flip the field on every attempt, but he's pretty consistent. Coverage is usually solid, but seems to have 1-2 big ones given up a year. Returns have been very good. We've been lucky to have Arenas and Maze the last few years. It will be interesting to see who takes over those roles.
Posted on 12/23/11 at 5:48 pm to jcole4lsu
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so, bama does not have a complete kicker nor a pair of kickers that really compliment one another. is this recruiting or coaching?
either way the ST advantage belongs to LSU (probably in both recruiting and coaching)
We had a complete kicker from 2006-2009. The bad evaluation of Corey Smith in the 2008 class, and his subsequent transfer to WVU, led Alabama to sign Cade Foster in the 2010 class. If Adam Griffith doesn't work out, maybe we just have to expect an inconsistent kicking game under Nick Saban.
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This does not make any sense. LSU has better special teams and that played a factor in an otherwise evenly matched game. The game did not come down to just missing some long field goals however.
That's my point. LSU fans that continue to mock Alabama's kicking woes in that game are taking away from what the entire LSU team accomplished.
Posted on 12/23/11 at 6:41 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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We've been lucky to have Arenas and Maze the last few years. It will be interesting to see who takes over those roles.
Belue, Jones and Sylve
Posted on 12/23/11 at 7:08 pm to Alahunter
Nothing is ever set in stone. No one expected Maze to fill in and do a pretty damn good imitation of Arenas.
Posted on 12/23/11 at 7:13 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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No one expected Maze to fill in and do a pretty damn good imitation of Arenas
Arenas was much better than Maze and its not even close
Posted on 12/23/11 at 7:15 pm to ALcapone
Reading comprehension and little rewind to the summer of 2010, and the hysteria over replacing Arenas. Most people expected the return game to be pedestrian.
Posted on 12/23/11 at 7:28 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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Reading comprehension
really?
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Most people expected the return game to be pedestrian.
for the most part thats what we got bro. when we had arenas he was a threat to score everytime they punted to him. maze was decent but he didnt have anywhere near the impact that Arenas had at PR.
Posted on 12/23/11 at 7:46 pm to ALcapone
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really?
I never stated he replaced Arenas' production. However, he gave a better "imitation" than what was expected.
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for the most part thats what we got bro. when we had arenas he was a threat to score everytime they punted to him. maze was decent but he didnt have anywhere near the impact that Arenas had at PR.
In their final years returning punts (Arenas and Maze) they had the following stat line:
2009: Javier Arenas - 32 returns for 493 yards (15.4 per return) and 1 TD
2011: Marquis Maze - 31 returns for 384 yards (12.4 per return) and 1 TD
Now, I am keeping in mind that Arenas had a far better reputation as a returner during his senior year (leading to less potential attempts), but I never suggested Maze replaced his production. Just that it wasn't "pedestrian" as you tried to suggest. I just think Maze needs a little respect here.
Posted on 12/23/11 at 7:58 pm to ezrulz
U jelly?
Posted on 12/23/11 at 8:00 pm to ezrulz
AC/DC said it best-Money Talks. NCAA totally cleared Cam and Auburn. Let's see if they do the same with TJ and Alabama. Rumor has it he cost them $200,000, a Dodge Charger, and a lifetime's supply of suits from TTown Menswear.
Posted on 12/23/11 at 8:05 pm to RedMustang
Yet he still took less to go to Bama...
Posted on 12/23/11 at 8:05 pm to MagillaGuerilla
Posted on 12/23/11 at 8:09 pm to MagillaGuerilla
Less than Trent? LMAO- then I guess he'd better renegotiate.
Posted on 12/23/11 at 8:14 pm to RedMustang
I'm sorry Auburn can't afford good recruits 
I'm sure Auburn can snag a few more out of the clutches of the powerhouse that is Southern Miss...
I'm sure Auburn can snag a few more out of the clutches of the powerhouse that is Southern Miss...
Posted on 12/23/11 at 8:16 pm to MagillaGuerilla
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