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Posted on 3/3/17 at 3:06 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Posted on 3/3/17 at 3:06 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Georgia had a lot more talent on their line
Remember when you tried to give our starters a 5 star advantage and it was actually tied 14 all?
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Posted on 3/3/17 at 3:22 pm to fibonaccisquared
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Sure... Florida has 9 starting defensive players that are draft eligible and gone this year
Anzalone was injured for Iowa.
Jarrad Davis, too. (Both starting linebackers.)
Marcus Maye. (Starting Safety)
Nick Washington. (Starting Safety)
Jordan Sherit. (Starting Defensive End)
Bryan Cox Jr. (Starting Defensive End)
I mean, shite, it's only six starters on defense that we didn't have when we set an Outback Bowl record for least amount of yards and points ever scored in the Outback Bowl.
The least amount of points the entire season, in fact.
The least amount of yards, too.
So maybe, while having those players would have made a big difference, we can keep the production up.
McElwain also broke a defensive school record in least yards permitted (ever) for Florida.
Dogs, however, have to worry about FCS teams and barely sliding by teams like Kentucky and Missouri, Vanderbilt and Georgia Tech.
The saddest part is that McElwain has gone 10 - 4 with a team that had to fight to bowl and Kirby struggled to bowl with a team that went 10 - 3 the previous two years. Beating Kentucky, Nicholl's and Missouri by a combined 7 points total ought to be horrifying, might even make one worry about their own team for the upcoming season instead of herping all over another team's thread.
Posted on 3/3/17 at 3:24 pm to djsdawg
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Remember when you tried to give our starters a 5 star advantage and it was actually tied 14 all?
Remember when our Five Star was a true freshman?
I was listing starters from 2015 vs. Georgia's 2016.
Sorry your team gagged on some Gator D.
This post was edited on 3/3/17 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 3/3/17 at 5:21 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Remember when our Five Star was a true freshman?
Remember when our Quarterback was a true freshman? GTF outta here with this moving the effing goal posts nonsense. Sorry you gagged on some logic.
Posted on 3/3/17 at 5:36 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Are you really using the Outback Bowl (a de facto home game) as your metric that the defense is going to have no dropoff? All of this to a team that lost to North Dakota State? I mean... it's like you want to do my work for me. 
Continuing to presume that the 10-3 UGA teams of the previous 2 seasons have very much to do with the 2016 team is pretty asinine. Particularly when we've already outlined that improvement is expected or there will be something to be concerned about. Getting worked up over year one performance would be ridiculous, particularly with a freshman QB, a patchwork OL, and a first year HC. If you think we're not keeping a close eye on the situation, you're just not paying attention. Solid strawman though...
I mean, if anything in this thread could be considered herping, it would likely be the infighting of UF fans all over a coach that you seem to think is doing a great job, regardless of where people have pointed out that you have problems of your own. No one said UF is a shitstain that can't get corrected or anything, simply that you have a fundamental issue right now. You are losing highly rated talent at a much higher rate than you are replacing it. Again, it's certainly possible that Mac and his staff just have a keen eye for talent, but the current trend of lower rated players can't be one that most UF fans are happy about.
Continuing to presume that the 10-3 UGA teams of the previous 2 seasons have very much to do with the 2016 team is pretty asinine. Particularly when we've already outlined that improvement is expected or there will be something to be concerned about. Getting worked up over year one performance would be ridiculous, particularly with a freshman QB, a patchwork OL, and a first year HC. If you think we're not keeping a close eye on the situation, you're just not paying attention. Solid strawman though...
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might even make one worry about their own team for the upcoming season instead of herping all over another team's thread
I mean, if anything in this thread could be considered herping, it would likely be the infighting of UF fans all over a coach that you seem to think is doing a great job, regardless of where people have pointed out that you have problems of your own. No one said UF is a shitstain that can't get corrected or anything, simply that you have a fundamental issue right now. You are losing highly rated talent at a much higher rate than you are replacing it. Again, it's certainly possible that Mac and his staff just have a keen eye for talent, but the current trend of lower rated players can't be one that most UF fans are happy about.
Posted on 3/3/17 at 5:59 pm to fibonaccisquared
More than recruiting, I'm concerned about Florida taking the next step this year and next year. I want to see that 9-3/10-2 turn into 11-1 and competing for SEC Championships and Playoff spots. I don't want us to fall content with (not trying to take a shot) the Richt style of 9-3/10-2 on a yearly basis without being able to take the next step.
Considering the context of the program, I'm okay with Mac's first two seasons. More than okay, I'm excited with the first two seasons. I truly think that when Mac gets solid quarterback play, we take the next step from winning 10 games to competing with Alabama and FSU, etc.
As far as the argument you and straws have been having, I haven't tried to defend him because I honestly don't care to compare star rankings. It's comparing different players who have played under different coaches and different systems with different jobs. It's not worth comparing guys by their recruiting rankings. It's stupid to justify who had better players based on stars ranking. It doesn't matter how talented UGA was last year vs. Florida in 2015. Different teams, different years, different circumstances. It's more important that head to head, Florida has been better than Georgia by a fairly wide margin the last three years. Is that because of a talent gap? Coaching gap? Probably a combination of both. Regardless, I think it's a dumb argument to make that "Florida had a combined 14 stars on the starting OL and Georgia had 19" or whatever the argument was. That doesn't take into account for former 3 star X whos now a junior and was a first team All SEC or former 5 star Y who is now a sophomore and has been horrible. It's an imperfect science and comparison that is settled once a year in October
Considering the context of the program, I'm okay with Mac's first two seasons. More than okay, I'm excited with the first two seasons. I truly think that when Mac gets solid quarterback play, we take the next step from winning 10 games to competing with Alabama and FSU, etc.
As far as the argument you and straws have been having, I haven't tried to defend him because I honestly don't care to compare star rankings. It's comparing different players who have played under different coaches and different systems with different jobs. It's not worth comparing guys by their recruiting rankings. It's stupid to justify who had better players based on stars ranking. It doesn't matter how talented UGA was last year vs. Florida in 2015. Different teams, different years, different circumstances. It's more important that head to head, Florida has been better than Georgia by a fairly wide margin the last three years. Is that because of a talent gap? Coaching gap? Probably a combination of both. Regardless, I think it's a dumb argument to make that "Florida had a combined 14 stars on the starting OL and Georgia had 19" or whatever the argument was. That doesn't take into account for former 3 star X whos now a junior and was a first team All SEC or former 5 star Y who is now a sophomore and has been horrible. It's an imperfect science and comparison that is settled once a year in October
Posted on 3/3/17 at 6:08 pm to atlgator
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Is that because of a talent gap? Coaching gap? Probably a combination of both.
Posted on 3/3/17 at 6:24 pm to fibonaccisquared
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Are you really using the Outback Bowl (a de facto home game) as your metric that the defense is going to have no dropoff? All of this to a team that beat Michigan?
Yeah, blowing out the team that beat Michigan is pretty significant.
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Something about true freshman etc. etc..
Yeah, a five star quarterback can be helped significantly by a veteran offensive line and two elite running backs with more talent on the flanks than a Redshirt freshman (Grier) who has two veterans (one is DII) and three raw, never started a game in their lives on the offensive line with one ''quality'' quarterback and receiver.
The difference in talent regarding the Florida and Georgia offense is greater than that on the defensive end -- which was greatly depleted against a team like LSU (which Georgia could only dream of beating) and Iowa, which had picked up quite a bit of steam at the end of the year.
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I mean, if anything in this thread could be considered herping, it would likely be the infighting of UF fans all over a coach that you seem to think is doing a great job,
Literally posted the opposite. I said we were going in the opposite direction, not that it was a great job.
He took a team that was regularly struggling to bowl and got us to back to back 10 win seasons.
Kirby took a team that was regularly getting nine wins a season and struggled to bowl.
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Again, it's certainly possible that Mac and his staff just have a keen eye for talent, but the current trend of lower rated players can't be one that most UF fans are happy about.
It's to be seen, McElwain has taken three stars and made them look quite serviceable.
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Getting worked up over year one performance would be ridiculous, particularly with a freshman QB, a patchwork OL, and a first year HC.
Yeah, we had that too -- except as I said it was worse.
Except we had Treon Harris, who wasn't even really a quarterback and who never hit over 50% of his passes.
So you had a much better quarterback (plenty of freshman quarterbacks, especially five stars, come in and are productive) and a veteran line.
Catalina was your Halter (DII) player.
Wynn had played in 24 games vs. Thurman who had 10 starts.
Kublanow had 36 starts to Dillard's 0.
Pyke had 23 starts to Riles 0.
Gaillard is your Riles (Both were defensive ends) and had zero starts to Sharpe's 0 starts.
We push at: Two DII players, two DL's playing offensive line but the rest is alllllllll Georgia andb y a whole lot in regard to experience and stars together.
Sucks, but maybe it's your coaching.
Posted on 3/4/17 at 12:05 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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a five star quarterback can be helped significantly by a veteran offensive line and two elite running backs with more talent on the flanks than a Redshirt freshman (Grier) who has two veterans (one is DII) and three raw, never started a game in their lives on the offensive line with one ''quality'' quarterback and receiver.
Vet? You continue to confuse experience with quality. Its astoundingly stupid, but you keep doing you. It helps pass the time in the offseason.
What helps a QB more than anything is experience, a quality OL, and a good receiving corp. Eason had none of that.
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plenty of freshman quarterbacks, especially five stars, come in and are productive
I disagree, but maybe you can Prove it. Lets see your list.
Posted on 3/4/17 at 12:09 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Is that because of a talent gap? Coaching gap? Probably a combination of both.
He also said this about one of your points:
"I think it's a dumb argument to make that "Florida had a combined 14 stars on the starting OL and Georgia had 19"
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Remember when our Five Star was a true freshman?
With 8 starts, He was the Most talented OL on both UF 2015 and UGA 2016, and you choose to not even mention him in a OL comparison again. Funny how experience matters to an OL but not to a QB. How conveniently stupid that contradiction is, but thats just you doing you.
This post was edited on 3/4/17 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 3/4/17 at 9:15 pm to djsdawg
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With 8 starts, He was the Most talented OL on both UF 2015 and UGA 2016, and you choose to not even mention him in a OL comparison again. Funny how experience matters to an OL but not to a QB. How conveniently stupid that contradiction is, but thats just you doing you.
The offensive line is way, way more different than a QB regarding speed, size, muscle, etc. etc.. A QB has to deal with the speed of the game, but they work pretty well with good lines.
You say your offensive line is bad, but, perhaps, it's just your coaching? You recruited (on average) better players, had more experience in both starts and games played and looked way worse.
It's either the coach beforehand, or maybe, it's just that your new coach ain't that great. Time will tell.
I have way more faith in McElwain than I would Kirby.
Posted on 3/4/17 at 9:24 pm to djsdawg
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I disagree, but maybe you can Prove it. Lets see your list.
Jake Bentley playing on a team with considerably less talent than Georgia seemed to have a good year with one of the worst offensive minded coaches around.
And as for Ivey:
You also understand that he has never actually started at his position, right? You understand that he's been playing guard and not tackle, which is his natural position?
That's because a true freshman was the best option we had as a backup to any of those positions.
Face it, your team just sucks and got the boot on their throat this last season. Sucks to be you.
Must suck to have two five star running backs behind a five star quarterback and have an offense on par behind a receiver playing quarterback (Treon Harris, if we're comparing year one) with one running back and one returning starter on an offensive line with generally less stars (outside of our one freshman who was starting outside of his position).
Hope uh, Kirby can do better with this battery of five stars.
Posted on 3/5/17 at 2:12 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Jake Bentley playing on a team with considerably less talent than Georgia seemed to have a good year with one of the worst offensive minded coaches around.
Team went 6-7... I mean, you're the one setting the bar at W-L record being the only thing that matters when it comes to Georgia... Also, is that your "list" for proof... surely you can do better? Hell, I'll do some of your work for you: LINK
What you might notice, is there isn't exactly an abundance of QBs from the 2000's, and of those, most didn't actually start much more than half of their true freshman seasons. If you go ahead and do a little more research, you'll also find that they were all playing behind what most would refer to as *quality* offensive lines and generally had at least one go to wide receiver.
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And as for Ivey:
Shift the goalposts wherever you want man, everyone can see through the bullshite... he started for your team and was a 5* offensive line recruit. Regardless of what position he was recruited to play, he played the position he was needed in. Also, if a 5* sophomore "natural left tackle" can't take the position from the incumbent, that is pretty indicative that the guy manning the spot in 2015 and 2016 isn't exactly chump change...
Our RT was a natural guard... had to play tackle because there literally was not a better option. That happens when you have holes in your OL recruiting. No one has tried to tell you that UF didn't have OL issues, simply that you're not alone. You're just too stupid to take the Orange and Blue glasses off to realize it. Again, you are on an island here alone... no one from your own fanbase is exactly rushing to support your asinine "math" which fails to prove anything.
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Sucks to be you.
Actually, it's pretty awesome being me...
Posted on 3/5/17 at 8:25 pm to fibonaccisquared
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Team went 6-7
Before they went like 3 - 9.
You see, that's what we like to call ''progress''. When one team sucks the year before then a new guy comes in and actually does well.
It's the opposite of regression.
Like say you go 8 - 5 after going 10 and whatever.
I'm sure you've seen that movie before.
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Our RT was a natural guard...
Yeah, our Center was a Guard, our Guard was a Tackle and our Tackle was a true freshman.
Sorry your bullshite excuses to smokescreen just how bad of a game manager your coach is don't work here.
Posted on 3/5/17 at 9:03 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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The offensive line is way, way more different than a QB regarding speed, size, muscle, etc. etc.. A QB has to deal with the speed of the game, but they work pretty well with good lines.
Troll or clueless, this is basic football, but its not a shock that you dont understand the amount of information a QB has to process to make a play work. QB in general is the most difficult position to come in and start early because of that, and thats before taking into account the quality of the OL and WR corp.
UF 2015 had a legit LT to start at LT, and a 5 star to fill in a hole elsewhere. Those 2 guys were better talents for SEC ball than any of the 5 UGA OL.
UF also had a huge advantage at WR by returning twice as much production as UGA did, but you will avoid this point. I sure wish UGA returned our #1 guy like UF did.
Posted on 3/5/17 at 9:08 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Jake Bentley playing on a team with considerably less talent than Georgia seemed to have a good year with one of the worst offensive minded coaches around.
Thats all you got? I guess my point is proven.
Despite his own struggles, Bentley did appear better than Eason, but he has been groomed by his father to be a SEC QB since he was a little boy, and I doubt he dealt with as many drops as Eason did. He also might have a better OC, who did better than both our guy and your guy when he was UF's OC in 2014.
Posted on 3/5/17 at 9:14 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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quote: Team went 6-7 Before they went like 3 - 9.
A final record can be incredibly misleading when discussing the qualities of a team. More wins doesnt necessarily prove a team was better.
Do you really think the very fortunate wins over Vandy and FAU and skipping Bama in the regular season prove UF 2015 was better than UF 2014? That was essentially the difference between 7 wins and 10.
This post was edited on 3/5/17 at 9:49 pm
Posted on 3/6/17 at 9:32 am to djsdawg
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UF 2015 had a legit LT to start at LT, and a 5 star to fill in a hole elsewhere. Those 2 guys were better talents for SEC ball than any of the 5 UGA OL.
Look, we're going to go round and round on this retarded carosel where even your own fanbase is calling you the Georgia TJ.
Georgia complaining to Florida about the offensive line when we only had six offensive linemen total doesn't help your case just because we happened to have a true freshman playing tackle when he played tackle his entire life. Who was the backup after that if he is the only backup?
You had a better offensive line, almost the entire country did because there simply weren't any bodies on campus. Just suck it up and move on. You had a quarterback with the aid of four veteran offensive linemen with two five star running backs rotating along with decent talent on the outside.
Vs. 1 decent running back, 2 veterans on the line with ONE lineman to play backup, no quarterback and 2 legit receivers (including the TE).
You guys did worse, in a year when the East was the worst its been in a while (2015 was a harder schedule, too).
It's okay to admit you're wrong and accept the fact that Kirby walked into a rather serviceable team but was unable to produce nothing but disappointment and dread.
2 point victory over an FCS?
1 point victory over Missouri? We beat them by 26.
Blown out by Ole Miss? They didn't even bowl!
Lost at home to Vanderbilt? VANDERBILT?
Blown out by Florida.
Beat Kentucky by 3? We beat them by 38.
Georgia Tech? They were only eighth in the ACC.
So, did Georgia just not have the talent? Were they really that barren the day Kirby stepped on campus?
Or, is it...could it be...you guys just paid a very expensive sum of money to hire a defensively-minded coach who recruits well but has no HC experience and seems to underwhelm on the field?
Jeeze, where have I seen this movie before?
Posted on 3/6/17 at 9:35 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Look, we're going to go round and round on this retarded carosel where even your own fanbase is calling you the Georgia TJ.
As the poster you are referencing here, I feel the need to clarify - I think the same of all three of you.
Please proceed.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 9:37 am to ATLdawg25
What the hell is going on in this thread? 
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