re: 5* RB Lorenzo Lingard to Miami

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That's essentially the same Thing but in different words. It's good to see you admit to being a troll though. It was either that or an idiot who has no clue about football.

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This whole thread is a troll thread, but I meant every word of ''we own your arse in spite of having less recruiting opportunities in the past 2 years''.

Recruiting Classes past 2 years (excluding 2016)

2015

Georgia: National Rank (5), SEC (3)

Florida: National Rank (21), SEC (10)

2014

Georgia: National Rank (8), SEC (6)

Florida: National Rank (9), SEC (7)



On field results:

2015: 27 - 3 GATA.

2016: 24 - 10 GATA.

Even Muschamp beat Georgia his last year.

Here's to hoping we continue the tradition.

Dude we got destroyed by UT and fricking ARK. We scored the fewest points on them all season beating out only tx state

I actually have a ton of arguments that show Mac sucks. From his CSU records to now.

Ineffective hires

Terrible vs the top 25

Pathetic offenses
Average recruiting

WM won 11 games against a tougher schedule and he sucked as a HC. Winning 10 games is not a big deal. Mac won 9 this year. Mac's teams look just like WMs. Bad QB-OL with a great defense.

Mac was left 15 potential nfl players by WM. It's not like he took over Duke. No Mac has had bad OL-QB play because he can't recruit coaches or players that can be good here. Did Mac not recruit LDR or AA? Oh They magically showed up before Mac was coach I forgot. I did give Mac a chance. His coaching, hiring, recruiting and dumb analogies were huge signs he's in over his head.

You've made you're opinion known. Lemme know when you're done with your objective opinions and personal insults against Mac and then I'll give you the facts again, which you will respond to with more of your opinions along with sparratic irrelevant stats that don't have any bearing on the real issue here: Mac is no where near as bad as you hope he is. You never wanted to give him a true chance because you're not really a Gator fan. It's clear. So whenever you're done trolling, gladly go frick yourself

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does the talent drop off so much that a consistent 10 win team goes from 20-6 in two years to 7-5? Or can you at least say that Kirby has to improve his on field coaching and ability to be the CEO of a team and lead on gamedays. I'm not talking about recruiting, which he's obviously been good at, I'm talking strictly about his teams performance on the field. I don't think Georgia was so talent deficient last year that they should've lost to Vandy, Georgia Tech, or played Nichols state 26-24 or need last second comebacks to beat Missouri or Kentucky. Georgia is better than that and you know it.

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My point is that overall records can be misleading. The difference between wins and losses can be slim, dependent upon many factors that may not even have to do with quality of a team. It could be as simple as Mizzou going from solid in 2014 to suck in 2015 or a dropped wide open TD pass. It could be a stupid ref, or horrid luck.

Using your logic, both our 2014 and 2015 10-3 teams were equal, but that was far from the truth. The 2015 UGA team was not good. It was a 2 game difference vs a slightly tougher schedule and with a crappier roster. Put the 2015 team against our 2016 schedule, and 8-5 is a safe bet.

My point is, the dropoff in quality from 2015 to 2016 wasnt as large as you make it out to be, and a lot of it was roster based. I think you discount the weakness' on the 2016 UGA roster. Richt really dropped the ball with recruiting and development for the 2013 and 2014 classes.

On D, we lost most of our front 7, including 2 starting NFL OLB's. Our secondary was already lean on talent, so its not like we could lean on them while the front 7 grew up.

On O, lost both starting OT's and our proven #1 WR. We didnt have SEC quality OT's to replace them, and didnt have a #1 WR ready to go. Add a true freshman QB to that mix, and its an O that is gonna struggle.

Of all the possible arguments that you might make that's the one you go with? First of all, using first round draft status as a measure of offensive recruiting success is a ridiculous fricking standard. Particularly in the SEC. Freaking Nick Saban has averaged less than 1 per year during his time at Alabama (7 that he actually recruited over 10 going on 11 seasons coaching there - Andre Smith was brought there under Shula). How many of those happened in his first 4 years? Zero... why? Well, first because it takes 3 years for them to even become draft eligible. Also, keep in mind this was for a proven head coach who had won a national championship at LSU, went to the NFL, and then went to pretty much the "machine" of college football in Alabama. Compare this to Muschamp, taking his first head coaching gig at Florida after Meyer's teams had peaked a couple of years earlier, also as a defensive minded coach.

To say that because he didn't have guys go in the first round he "didn't recruit offense" is asinine. He didn't recruit it as well as he recruited defense... sure. But how many teams consistently recruit multiple 1st round talents on offense and defense year in and year out? No one is saying Muschamp was an amazing offensive recruiter, but you want to discount anyone he ever brought to campus but you're giving Mac a pass with who he *is* bringing on campus. Who has Mac recruited on offense that's going to be a first round draft pick? I mean, he's just had his 3rd recruiting cycle, so who from that first class on the offensive side of the ball is of the first round pick variety? Martez Ivey was a 5 star, so is probably the most logical choice, but I don't think he projects first round as a Guard?

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That, my friend, is why we're not competing with teams like Bama and Florida State. That's why our offense is so awful. There is literally no talent (outside of McElwain's recruits patching up the gaping holes left by his predecesor).

How can you not see how badly the team was left?

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You're not competing with Alabama and Florida State because they're quite literally recruiting circles around you (and most teams).

Let's use average player rating as a better indication of player quality than class rank which is more weighted to class size:

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2011:
UF 90.62
Bama 91.34
FSU 90.41
UGA 90.02

2012:
UF 91.50
Bama 93.09
FSU 92.71
UGA 91.23

2013:
UF 90.69
Bama 93.25
FSU 89.19
UGA 88.51

2014:
UF 89.61
Bama 93.59
FSU 90.07
UGA 90.97

2015:
UF 87.21
Bama 93.64
FSU 92.41
UGA 89.73

2016
UF 88.73
Bama 92.85
FSU 91.71
UGA 90.66

2017:
UF 88.97
Bama 93.61
FSU 91.01
UGA 92.71

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So the Muschamp recruiting classes were not only rated higher from an overall class perspective (factoring in class size), but the average player rating was higher as well, and more in line with elite programs. And before you try and make too much out of the UGA average ratings (which were close to but still lower than UF's up until 2014), keep in mind that Richt was pretty bad at scholarship management (see ~20 free scholarships during the SEC title run in 2012 for example), which is in large part why our class rankings weren't higher. In the one class where he really "went big", it actually ended up being probably the worst recruiting class of the Richt era in 2013 (right after the SECCG appearance that was the play-in for a MNC).

Again, maybe Mac and staff are such great evaluators of talent that these numbers don't matter... but most would say that the current trends are not encouraging for long term continued success at Florida. As much as you want to point out that Kirby has to improve for us on the field (and note that I haven't argued otherwise), you have to recognize that the level of recruiting that Mac is giving you is not sufficient... particularly at Florida.



With all that said, in looking at this, it's interesting to me that 93 number for Bama. One of the regular UGA posters has a theory on recruits where 94 (outside of QBs) is sort of a magic number, that generally predicts someone who's likely to at the very least be a solid contributor if not a stud during their time in college. Bama is essentially recruiting right up against that average. Most "good" teams are still probably grabbing 4-5 guys at most that are above that threshold with any regularity. College football is very much so favorable for setting up a dynasty and with the level that Bama is recruiting at right now, essentially the only thing that stops them is another team recruiting at the same level or Saban hanging up the whistle. Even once he leaves, you've got residual talent in the program that is probably good enough to carry someone further than they might get on their own. Kirby obviously will have to put things together on the field, but in 2 seasons, he's recruited 16 players rated 94 or above via 247 composite ratings (8 per year). Alabama in 2017 alone has an astonishing 17... 18 if you count Jarez Parks who is gray shirting... dear lord.

Wasn't Grier a Muschamp recruit as well?

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Grier was a Muschamp recruit -- pissed hot and was ''released'' from the team. Taylor was a round six pick.

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I mean people joke about Grieroids... but honestly, this was probably Mac's first "big mistake" if you will. He needed to feel comfortable that he was going to step back in and take the starting job after serving out the suspension. So now, UF needs a QB... but Muschamp *gave you* a pretty damn talented kid at the position... banned substances or not.

Also, Driskel doing poorly with Muschamp doesn't negate the fact that he was a talented offensive player. You can't point to recruiting as the issue, but when there are examples that indicate he did in fact recruit some pretty decent offensive players (maybe not 1st round talent, but see previous post) and maybe either failed to develop or utilize them in the best way. I mean... you *can*... it just let's everyone else know you're a giant homer with an inability to remain objective.